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CoarseAndSalty
"Universal Go Fund me" that's awesome!
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
Cody's showdy
hassythegreat
TM C R
KR1570F
I have a hard time watching his show because it makes me angry and I generally already agree with the point he's making
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
goflyblind
pretendthisisagoodusername
the news dude
rnj454
https://www.epi.org/press/medicare-for-all-would-boost-wages-expand-workers-options-and-likely-create-jobs/
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
The big problem is that middle one. Big corps don't *want* worker's options to be expanded. That's why they're fighting it so hard.
rnj454
I imagine they're not too keen on the fourth one either.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Imagine a new virus came out, killed tons of people, a vaccine is available (for free) and people refused to take it.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Then the people who didn't want to the vaccine (or use any other preventative measures) complained about how the virus hurt the economy?
afatrollofmyown
To say nothing of 600,000 dead and untold numbers of disabled, death from damage of covid will hurt "the economy"
Caspergirl
Insurance is fucked up as a concept in general. Imagine paying monthly fee but when u need it, u pay a deductible until it kicks in but then
afatrollofmyown
Paying $5000 up front to use your service so YOUR LIFE WILL BE SAVED is no way to live.
Caspergirl
But then they can still deny some services or it’s not included
wadatahmydamie
Now imagine somebody wants to keep that, instead of a 10x better system for 1/4 the price, just because “MuH gUbMiNt!”
Caspergirl
Not to mention getting stuck in a job you hate just because you have insurance
wadatahmydamie
I was in this comment and I don’t like it
whatsisname
No insurance is a quite reasonable concept in general. It's how its implemented that is the problem. Even socialized healthcare will be
whatsisname
running a health insurance operation, it will just have different (and better) priorities than a for-profit corporation will.
barnwolf
Insurance makes sense to me, because it pays out far more than you've ever paid into it, in emergencies.
iktome99
How you can believe this and that these companies run a for profit (massive profit) business is... Impressive
barnwolf
I just meant in general. Not how health insurance is actually applied in the US.
NaughtButOne
*: Terms and conditions apply. Subject to approval. We unilaterally decide whether or not to fulfill our part of the bargain. Good luck.
cybermage256
The only reason this hasn't happened is drug companies and hospital chains would make less money.
afatrollofmyown
Oh no, their yacht money!
ijustimguredtosay
And simultaneously claim to be christian.
B1gstu
I know someone that absolutely HATES the idea that his taxes go to helping others. Literally thinks the NHS should be sold and go private.
ArkoneAxon
The argument against is that socialized medicine is far, far worse than the current American model. That's because health insurance corps>
ArkoneAxon
put a lot of effort into LYING about it. https://god.dailydot.com/former-health-insurance-executive-lie/
Ozhound
The issue isn't about giving. Its trusting the people you're giving to to do the right thing and be openly and transparently accountable.
ridge
You mean insurance?
CandiedCorn
*cured of diseases and illnesses without receiving a bill. It's not free, it's pre-paid; it works b/c insurance companies can't jack costs.
limbodog
I don't hate the idea, but I fear cms having that much power
ThailandExpress
ThailandExpress
https://www.valuepenguin.com/average-cost-of-health-insurance 2/2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Americans also already pay a ton in taxes for healthcare. More tax dollars per capita than many other OECD countries. In fact Americans /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
pay almost as much on tax dollars, as Canadians do altogether (both tax and out of pocket). And then Americans pay for insurance and /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
other out of pocket expenses *on top* of that. It's insane. For source, check out the bar chart at the bottom of the OECD section here: /3
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
VitaminJay
Something based on income, maybe? Where if you're doing well you pay more and it wouldn't affect your lifestyle? A safety net of sorts?
Juliana818
You’re pretty lazy, aren’t you?
VitaminJay
Retired, so I get to be as last as I want. :D
WookieLapDance
Taxes
pigoverthere
iAntichristx666
I always thought the chair was being thrown at him but he’s actually just picking it up and slamming it.. who knew ??♂️
SuperSaiyanYamcha
What; like some kind of “medical aid for all people” thing? I dunno; kinda sounds like socia-communism.
asanaustralianwhyareyourpostsupsidedown
Okay, and hear me out here. What is instead we add two to three unnecessary layers of middle men that make it inefficient and expensive?
SocoFox
Only if those middle men make put large sums of money in the pockets of government officials in charge of it.
asanaustralianwhyareyourpostsupsidedown
I like it, with this addition we could kill a lot of people that forgot to be rich.
VirtualNaut
4554073
Yeah, that's called taxes.
KalleSchnikov
Oh, really
albook55
That's exactly how we do it in Taiwan. Our healthcare, labor insurance, and pension are bundled together and calculated using income. 1/
albook55
Employers underreporting employee income will be fined and have the company names listed publicly. 2/2
Dirtsailor2010
Taiwan, which is definitely a country, has this that CCP have not.... imagine that.
Varenvel
aint what taxes and taxes bracket supposed to be? but then america cuts corporate taxes in half , and then tax citizens more.
HarryPotter918
Y’all remember when Pawnee was trying to remove the fluoride from the water and Tom came up sparkle stickers or some shit? We need that.
HarryPotter918
Essentially an OnlyFans for healthcare.
irkaninvaderscooch
The downvotes though... Why?
kikichunt
Some Imgurians are making big bucks through private healthcare and feel threatened? I dunno, I'm in the UK, hoping we don't fuck up our NHS.
carrionstorm
People don't want to help anybody else out. "They just need to figure it out" or "stop being lazy" I'm so tired of it
carrionstorm
Why can't we just make the world better for everybody?
AndroidSoul
Helping people who haven't helped themselves is heresy
VitaminJay
In times of disaster, people help each other out. 'fuck you got mine' is very much propaganda by conservatives.
vaporwavecatrave
Dude the US income tax system is fucked. My S. O works at a uni and I get spme free classes BUT it counts as income so he's taxed over 50%
Justgoingtomessitupanyways
748rjb
vaporwavecatrave
Together we annually make less than 40k a year. I mean yeah they'll pay for part of my degree but we can barely pay our bills
RenaissanceFaireMan
See rich people are already getting top notch health care, they don't want those lowly poor people also getting the same health care.
fs20020
That is called income tax in Canada and is used to pay, among other things, free health care. ??????????????
simmerdim
That's how it works in UK and most other civilised countries.
ButtHoleJager
Well biden proudly ran on vetoing M4A so we won't be seeing it in the next 4 years. Wouldn't want to upset the donars.
afatrollofmyown
I still can't believe that asshole managed to "win" the frontrunner on VETOING HEALTHCARE IN A PANDEMIC
ButtHoleJager
That's because the dnc worked as hard as they could to make the average voter who doesn't know better think that biden was out only hope.
piawanegawa9
Imagine absolutely hating the idea because your money could be used to cure people who couldn't have afforded it on their own. Despicable.
StabbyMcMurder
Nah that's too radical.
pm1001
The secret ingredient is money paid to politicians
afatrollofmyown
But nooooo we have a """democracy""" with ""freedom of choice""" and no bribery.
wylkyn
Now imagine being broke, the kind of person who needs this, but also being dumb enough that you can be convinced this is a bad idea.
ThatRaccoonGuy
Some people REALLY hate the idea that somebody with less than themselves might be taken care of.
toderascu23
I think that's only in USA.
imkindasmart
Explains brexit as well
reynoldser
The US is mired in the politics of spite thanks to the Republicans.
Omnimorph2112
The rich realised long ago that appeasing the masses isn't about giving them more, it's about making sure there are others with less.
Omnimorph2112
Seeing others with less means you're more protective of what you have.
baals
Can I do this to rich people? Maybe just steal a ladder when the leave thier garage open
RenaissanceFaireMan
If I have a million dollars and the guy with $1000 also gets the same care, then what's the point of being rich?!
afatrollofmyown
Now we're asking the real question.
AlwaysUpvoteBeerCigarsWhisky
Americans will turn down $100 if it means someone else would get $200.
VitaminJay
Small, loud sections, maybe, but not most.
illogicalphallusies
if it was "most" you wouldnt be in the current situation
AndroidSoul
Nah. The problem is that we've created a system where the few have outsized power and control. Also people are kept stupid and tribalistic
illogicalphallusies
right...so "most" people continue to vote against their interests...but its enough that its "most"
18Skiffbug
Paul Krugman greatly defends that this is more about ‘those people’, of different colour and culture getting some government funded help.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Sure seems like it, from some of the comments I've seen people make.
imkindasmart
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. - LBJ
pretendthisisagoodusername
and some just really hate the idea that "the blacks" or "the gays" etc will get taken care of too.
pretendthisisagoodusername
family friend always votes republican but if you listen to him, he sounds like a pretty liberal guy...till you reach the homophobia...
Shoutrr
some people really hate the slightest hint of an idea that "their" money will help people they hate (brown/black/lgbt and rather die
Shoutrr
bankrupted in a gutter than to be part of that
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Just saw a comment today, on a skateboard accident post, saying that that kind of stuff would have to be excluded from any kind of /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
universal healthcare. When I pointed out that the bureaucracy needed to decide which people "merit" healthcare would be so time-consuming /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
and expensive that it's more cost-effective just to give the treatment, they came back saying it sounded like a system that could be /3
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
exploited. Like, what? How do you exploit healthcare? Purposely damage yourself and go get it fixed? To what purpose? So weird, the /4
AndroidSoul
I'm sure there would be some dummies who did just that, but they'd be an extreme minority and probably weed themselves out
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
justifications people will come up with. /5
ATerribleArtist
"But then people will abuse it by going out and hurting themselves on purpose!" You mean to tell me the only reason you don't is money?
ATerribleArtist
"Well I mean expensive stuff, cancer and diabetes" Oh. You believe that bad things only happen to bad people, and therefore never to you...
twerksforfish
I pay $350 A PAY DAY for insurance. i would happily pay that into taxes for better healthcare for all!
jlrolin
But my premium will go up 15 dollars a check! Me me me me. God I hate these people.
BenjyX55
Well excuse me for refusing to consider that wealth isn't a measure of an individual's worth in all areas of life.
OdiumToJoy
I'm not pro socialisms, but with healthcare this corrupt, fuck them. Give it to people for "free". I'll gladly pay $200 a month for it.
itisanimgurnaccount
But... That's socialism (or a step towards it). And you're for it. But you're not a socialist?
OperationM1ndcrime
Are you for your taxes being paid to corporations every year?
OperationM1ndcrime
Or social security? Or medicare?
OperationM1ndcrime
Or taxes in general? Where do you think it goes? Not social programs?
itisanimgurnaccount
My point was op claims not to be a socialist but clearly thinks socialism is a good thing.
GourmetCrackHead
What's crazier is you already pay for other people's insurance, it's factored into your monthly bill, so we are already doing it 1/2
GourmetCrackHead
Just instead of saving money as a whole we allow that money to pay for advertising and executive bonuses
erischilde
Maybe we gotta drop the "socialism" part like it's a bad word, and understand the world isn't black and white.
FlippedOut
Its not socialism.
LegendaryBill
I pay more than that for prescriptions now. Not to mention almost $900 in premiums for the price break on immunosuppressants and insulin
deanoregan
Canadian here. It would mostly likely end up costing significantly less than that. I pay approximately $47/month through my regular taxes.
Cheomesh
I first got interested in the idea of a nation-wide insurance system out of a pro-business stance, after working for some small business 1/
Cheomesh
owners who only got by through underpaying us as well as themselves (and thus going without any health insurance). 2/2
FailedCS
That's funny, I'm pretty sure I pay more than that and it still sucks
RVAALLDAY
I paid $280 a month last year for fucking anthem and it was already subsidized by healthcare.gov. It’s like 400 a month plus 5k deductible
ThisIsYourLifeNow
sure, because they could do whatever the f they wanted for decades so they decided to take over the "fuck them" part too
crateo
Public healthcare was created way, way, way before socialism.
phobosorbust
It's not even socialism, it's just protecting our investment in human capital to maximize productivity.
Hereagain
I'm practically a socialist, but I don't understand how capitalists don't realize this.
phobosorbust
People who aren't metaphorically chained to their jobs through benefits are a lot harder to control and tend to demand better conditions...
engineeringwombocombo
Question: do you know who pays for medical debt that cant be paid? Iirc, its the govt, so any serious treatments that couldve been >
dru2
The gov does not pay unpaid medical bolls! The private dr eat it which means all existing customers pay for it indirectly through more cost.
Dilldall
Its not like there is any relation between actual costs and what you are billed. So its not like the dr loses anything?
AndroidSoul
False. Some practices cover uninsured medical costs, but the government pays about 50bn$ a year for uninsured care
engineeringwombocombo
Prevented by early dr visits are paid with tax $ anyway. Socialized healthcare just shifts what taxes pay for from "lifesaving" to "routine"
RVAALLDAY
Oh shit you’re right if you make under a certain amount some hospitals have to forgive your debt that’s crazy it’s the same shit tbh
engineeringwombocombo
Only the hospital keeps the price the same, instead of insurance haggling them down.
Snark42
....you mean I have to pay to change the engine oil?! What'll that do? Does that do something?....
brndrll
I don't need to do that - they already put oil in at the factory.
stoneagewarrior
No the real gimmick is this theory that you need to change the oil in the first place! Bunch of lies peddled by the media to help big corp/s
MadHakon
Hey! That guy used to write for Cracked! Aww man, Cracktions were the best, basically ancient Imgur!
sharkpuppy19
Cracked ended up producing some really good journalists. One of them went on to report in Syria.
MadHakon
I remember over a decade ago when I was a teen, I friended Soren on Facebook because I thought he was hot and funny. He still hasn't purged
MadHakon
his friends list. It's weird whenever I see him pop up because it's been so long it almost feels like he should be an actual friend
fruust
I wish swaim would get a late night host job
Kalicula
Cap family wealth at $500mil globally. Take the 3 trillion $ you just collected from US's top 400 billionaires. Boom healthcare
crateo
You don't need to do that. Just do the same thing as any other developed nation in the world.
Kalicula
I disagree. Billionaires are the problem. We need to eliminate them from our society. Not kill them... just debillionize them
barnwolf
I am a little unsure how that would work with volatile markets. Like invest in bitcoin could be worth $1billion one year and $100k the next.
barnwolf
I guess you'd calculate wealth as a median throughout the year. So if you're worth a billion, just move some of it to safer investments.
whatsisname
While you're lamenting the hypothetical loss of a single individual's fortune, real people are dying of treatable diseases right now.
ThrowTheAccountAway
Time to stop gambling then
NaughtButOne
I understand your concern, but you're grossly underestimating how much money $500 million is. Could lose 99% and still be a millionaire.
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
I like to imagine it as having 1000 years of a 500k income. Helps a bit with wrapping your head around.
barnwolf
The cost of retirement today is like $987,000. Being a millionaire isn't all that notable.
vertumnus1
Losing 99% still lets them retire 5x. Losing 99% investment is also something that just doesn't happen (unless you are a TERRIBLE investor)
barnwolf
I wasn't thinking of it as an investment, but say the owner of a company who is legally not allowed to sell off their shares in the company.
vertumnus1
Nobody investing 1 million + is going to throw all their eggs in one basket, and even the recent MASSIVE drop in bitcoin isn't even 50% loss