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Valentine Michael Smith, a human born and raised on Mars, arrives on Earth stunning Western culture...and judging us as a human who has never been exposed to any of our societies.
(I highly recommend all of his books. Whether you agree with his politics or not, he'll make you think.)
*edit* As suggested by molo1134, definitely read the unabridged version.
Niven's hugely influential 1970 novel of an outer space expedition to a mysterious object – a vast artificial world in the shape of a ring – that goes horribly wrong.
Clarke questions the survival of mankind in this science-fiction tale about Overlords from outer space who dominate the world.
While on a mission to the planet Gethen — a world whose inhabitants can change their gender — earthling Genly Ai is sent by leaders of the nation of Orgoreyn to a concentration camp. The exiled prime minister of the nation of Karhide tries to rescue him.
Dick's trippy novel tells of sophisticated off-world androids who turn against their creators, slip back to a post-apocalyptic Earth, and must be hunted down by bounty hunter Rick Deckard. The book inspired — albeit very loosely — the 1982 Ridley Scott film Blade Runner.
A band of psychologists, under the leadership of psychohistorian Hari Seldon, plant a colony to encourage art, science, and technology in the declining Galactic Empire and to preserve the accumulated knowledge of humankind.
Follows the adventures of Paul Atreides, the son of a betrayed duke given up for dead on a treacherous desert planet and adopted by its fierce, nomadic people, who help him unravel his most unexpected destiny.
Young Andrew "Ender" Wiggin, bred to be a genius, is drafted to Battle School where he trains to lead the century-long fight against the alien Buggers.
(Way, WAY, better than that thing that passed as a movie.)
Seven pilgrims undertake a voyage to the world of Hyperion — dominated by a fearsome and mysterious creature called the Shrike — where they hope to learn the secret that will save humanity.
In the first, hilarious volume of Adams' Hitchhiker's series, reluctant galactic traveler Arthur Dent gets swept up in some literally Earth-shattering events involving aliens, sperm whales, a depressed robot, mice who are more than they seem, and some really, really bad poetry.
(Also way, WAY, better than the movie.)
*edit* Late addition! Of all those suggested in the comments this is the one that made me say, "Oh crap! I forgot that one!" So, by popular demand, despite my senility, here it is.
Gibson's groundbreaking debut novel follows Case, a burned-out computer whiz, who is asked to steal a security code that is locked in the most heavily guarded databank in the solar system. A seminal work in the genre that would come to be known as cyberpunk.
GunstarHero
Red Planet by Heinlein was excellent!
HankandPeggyHill
Frankenstein was also instrumental is Science Fiction
megapow
Thank you!
Looboob
YES! Mary Shelly INVENTED science fiction y'all.
itsahollyday2
Hell yeah Mary Shelley!
ctrlfreak
Was looking for this comment. Frankenstein pretty much started the genre.
seventyyearoldharrisonfordinjuredonset
Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea? Time Machine? Fucking Somnium. Shit goes way back.
subtlemrs
Fuck yeah it was!
someguyonthissite
Yes, but these are all somewhat recent books by writers that have significantly influenced the genre and made it what it is today.
trhopkins
The Original was an exceptional work
Thesavagehamster
Yes. I would totally switch it out for Hyperion (too late an entry imho)
rosiethereaver
Frankenstein STARTED scifi.
seashamoorun
Frankenstein RESTARTED the wifi!
CalvinandHobbitses
Actually it is way older than that. The Ancient Greeks, the Mesopotamians, Ancient Japanes, and Ancient Indians all had sci-fi stories
JefferJackson
WHAT ABOUT H.G. WELLS!?
HonestDaniel
Do NOT forget "A MOTE IN GOD'S EYE"
Samcraig
I saw the titles of at least two Iron Maiden songs there. I knew about Dune, but didn't know that Stranger in a Strange land was a book.
sms001
Exodus 2:22 ...he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. So props to Bob, but not the origin.
AManInATanJacketCarryingADeerskinSuitcaseWhomNoOneCanRemember
Well I didn't know it was an Iron Maiden song.
MacRockatansky
Iron Maiden has such excellent lyrics.
TheCowness
The song "To Tame a Land" by Iron Maiden is about Dune, too.
IllogicalPine
Dune. Ahh yes, one of the books that dragged me into the world of sci-fi tbh. 10/10 worth the read
Totema
No Neuromancer? Tsk tsk.
TheMonkeySpanker
I grok this list
chimchim666
No Vonnegut :(
gormtheoldthesleepyofdenmark
Sirens of Titan is one of my favorites.
unclefishbits
Forever War, Neuromancer, Snow Crash.
InsanitySneeze
I feel like I should not have had to scroll this far to find Snow Crash. +1 to you!
unclefishbits
It would be insane. Snowcrash would be epic on screen. I think all 3 are in development hell, but they're out there.
veltvetoctopus
Forever War!
unclefishbits
Mind melter. Ridley Scott has film rights. He's doing a ton this year, inc. Prometheus 2 & Blade Runner 2, so it's a year or so off (hope)
SofaKingMetal
I would add "A Mote in God's Eye." I've never read anything else quite like it.
icanc4
Then read the above.
SofaKingMetal
I've read all of the books in this list and they're all pretty good.
brucom
Niven & Pournelle wrote "A Mote in God's Eye," and they wrote "Lucifer's Hammer," which I enjoyed even more.
MrSpindles
Footfall is fantastic also, and the Heorot series, which has some enduring ideas in the colonisation/exploration sub genre. My fave authors.
sms001
I still use the phrase "and on the gripping hand..." Have you read Pournelle's daughter's 'Outies?' I'm a little hesitant.
SofaKingMetal
I haven't. When I like a book as it's written, I'll skip the follow up stories so I don't ruin my experience.
SofaKingMetal
Sorry, it should be "The Mote in God's Eye."
pasthelod
Iain M Banks? Alestair Reynolds?
wintermute93
I still haven't got around to the Culture series, but my god, I'm pretty sure I've read everything Alastair Reynolds wrote. He's awesome.
pasthelod
I recommend starting with Player of Games or Excession, then you'll be hooked for life. And when you get to Use of Weapons...well, have fun!
JudgeJudyandExecutioner
I recently got into reading Arthur C. Clarke. Childhood's end was... just brilliant.
757365726e616d65
I found the ideas explored there very interesting but it was disappointing as a story. I hope that tv series will be better in that aspect
AsianWill1991
I always found Clarke's work lacking in story but his ideas are phenomenal.
757365726e616d65
I've read 2 of his books and I've got the feeling that he can do better/more engaging story and characters but he simple chose not to
CaptainMinnette
I just finished it today...it was OK.
757365726e616d65
I felt the same way, I liked "Rendezvous with Rama" much more, better blend of ideas and story
licensetoillite
You should check out his short story (like 5 pgs) Dial F for Frankenstein, if you haven't already
SixWingsWide
It was, but made me sad about the utopian Earth. I wanted to live there SO BAD.
Rybus
If you enjoy Phillip K. Dick, try "The Man in the High Castle". It is a great alternate history novel.
VictorWard
Phillip K Dick wrote TMITHC using the I Ching to determine the plot in the same way the lead characters use it to determine their actions.
RedPandaGranda
“We are all insects. Groping towards something terrible or divine-”
ivegottwolegs
I just read that not too long ago. Good recommendation, though not sci-fi.
stoffo
Agreed, also Ubik and A scanner darkly.
RIPBillHicks
A scanner darkly is just one big acid trip
excit3d
Check out "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch". Super trippy.
RIPBillHicks
Woah that looks pretty cool il have to check it out, thanks!:)
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
Especially Scanner
MrInzir
DUUUUUUUUUUUUNE!
mijiza
Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the world. May He keep the world for His people.
orangemarmaladesky
Read Dune then look at Star Wars and BattleTech lore. To say they were "inspired" by Dune would be putting it very lightly.
iwouldliveinsaltforyou
But not the sequels and never acknowledge that the prequels exist
MrInzir
Yup. They were shite. Like, wut happened? Mai gawd ;_;
kibbypie
I like the sequels (like I like all the Ender novels) but the prequels - barf.
Punk1209
Hunters and Sandworms of Dune make you understand the whole first 6 books. Yes they are written by Brian, but from extensive notes by Frank
Narrae
Any love for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?
silverblur
My favorite Henlin novel.
MacRockatansky
Look at OP's name...
Nykidemus
TAANSTAFL, you grok?
PleaseDontRespondToMySarcasticCommentsWithASeriousReply
metalgearsolidv
I actually liked the BBC serial more than both the book and the movie.
dipmlxlfla
Nobody watches BBC (in America) so we wouldn't know
Cheomesh
-listens-
kjoch08
When Alan Rickman speaks, everyone listens
CziltangBrone
I've got this pain in all the diodes down my left side.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
...no Bradbury? Blasphemy.
MacRockatansky
Right? No A.E. Von Vogt either, which is far less surprising, but I'm just looking for an opportunity to mention him.
rosiethereaver
I was shocked that Bradbury's worked wasn't mentioned, and even more shocked Frankenstein isn't on this list.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
I think HG Wells technically has the "first" sci-fi story, but Frankenstein is right there. Good call.
RandyKnapp
+The Forever War (1970's classic sci-fi), and Leviathan Wakes (2011)
TavoreParan
Leviathan Wakes was amazing!
Nykidemus
The Forever War was a bit meandering, but I enjoyed where it ended up.
pasthelod
Oh yeah, I got so hooked on The Expanse saga (Leviathan Wakes and the other books)! Can't wait for more, even if it's a happy-series now :)
RandyKnapp
Me too. I went to buy Nemesis Games right after finishing Caliban's War, and it said "Preorder"! http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com !
pasthelod
Uh, it looks imgur ate my reply. So, next book is planned for this June!!!! OMG:D
CausticSoda
Foundation series was one of my earliest non-action-packed Sci-Fi series' I read. Really opened up the genre possibilities to me.
scottpie
I just started reading this the other day. I'm so excited to finally be reading it after all I've heard over the years.
Violaxanthin
Definitely underrated, probably due to the lack of action. We wouldn't have Dune or Ender's Game without it, though.
Vryistal
It took me a little bit to get into it, but damn its a great trilogy! I wasn't really a fan of the 2 books after that though
ThisIsWhyIMadeTheAccount
geh. Asimov's short stories have and will always be better than his novels.
Tarelgeth
One of the reasons I Robot was so good. Asimov is a glorious world-builder and conceptualist, but not so good of a storyteller.
onepinksheep
People like Asimov (sci-fi) and Tolkien (fantasy) were scholars first and foremost, and it shows. Amazing world builders and visionaries 1/2
onepinksheep
but mediocre story-tellers. They were quite revolutionary in their genre, despite that flaw, though.
ThisIsWhyIMadeTheAccount
1- pretty much. his mediocre writing was saved by the fact that his ideas were so well constructed. I mean, he's totally one of the
ThisIsWhyIMadeTheAccount
2- seminal figures of early sci-fi, but he sure didn't get there on writing prowess. that's why i couldn't stay with his longer stories
Broadmoor
I wish there were more posts like this one, I'm always down for a couple new reading selection suggestions.
AleksStark
The powered armour 'set'. Starting with Starship Troopers. It's radically different from the (supposed parody) movie.
Broadmoor
You people are wonderful.
pasthelod
Altered Carbon (and the 2 sequel), The Dervish House, and the Revelation Space series by Reynolds. Oh and Iain M Banks.
Broadmoor
You people are wonderful.
heykidtherescandyatthebottomofthelake
Go through the Hugo & Nebula awards.
kibbypie
Anything/everything by Heinlein.
Broadmoor
I'll be looking into his works shortly.
seedmole
I need to read a lot more of these. Proud to say I've read Dune though.
KitsuneSuzzo
One of my favorite series. I have read a lot of other books by the authors above, but not all of these. Need to get on that...
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
Dune is the LOTR of scifi
SteveCraft
I was surprised how many of these I have read. Dune, Stranger, HHGttG, and Ender's game.
LordofGoats
I read The Left Hand of Darkness last year and really enjoyed it. Going to read more of Le Guin this year.
SixWingsWide
Haven't read her books, but her short stories are pretty unconventional.
whyteraven74
It's also a good trilogy...what? There are only three books. No, there are only three books.
DHDragon
Dune is goddamn amazing. I could never get into the sequels though.
MAG101
Ughhh. But it's philosophy and religion and morality, and (some) sexuality and the way science and politics affect them. So good.
lukewarmchubbies
I like some of the sequels even more, God Emperor is my favorite book of all time
OctopusGardener
I have not read the prequels by his son, though. I've heard they don't do Frank Herbert's books justice.
lukewarmchubbies
Brian's writing is definitely not as good as Franks, the plot isn't bad and some of Duncan's training scenes are dope though
Atharaphelun
Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune are a must read. Read God Emperor too if you want the conclusion of the Golden Path.
thatstevonsguy
There is no conclusion to the golden path! thats the point! humanity cannot be trapped in patterns.
stoffo
First book also defined the world, which was almost as amazing as the storyline.Sequels feel like written by someone else (or without drugs)
SixWingsWide
I was surprised when I finished Messiah, seemed like very little happened. Children and God Emperor were good.
redsky33
I can't yet get through children of dune, but I felt like Messiah meshed with the story perfectly.
dangerousDoc
It sounds a bit dry
DHDragon
I cannot let this pass un-upvoted, good sir. That was punderful.
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
Lol
Adthay
I read Dune and thought, "This is great but the main characters are assholes." and that has made me not want to read anymore....
Nemain
It took me 2 months to read through the 4th book in thatbseries, and I regret doing it. LOTR took me 3, glorious weeks.
Violaxanthin
But that's exactly why you should continue with Dune Messiah. Dune is basically incomplete without it.
Cheomesh
Yeah it's pretty down to earth in that everyone at the top is some kind of sociopath.Even fairly innocent Paul hardens the hell up fast.
Adthay
"Hardens" might be a bit generous. The whole time he's like, "I can use these savages to retake my throne." Which is...well bad.
Cheomesh
Hm, I suspect I should go back and re-read the original. I will admit it has been about ten years or so.
SixWingsWide
I didn't get that feeling. also: consider his circumstances.
Adthay
I understand the circumstances. If I couldn't read his thoughts and perspective I would have thought he was cool. You don't have to agree.
MacRockatansky
When does one consider one's self to be "through" Dune? After the first book? The first 4? All his books? The Collabs? His son's books?
MacRockatansky
(I've read the first three, had to tap out after Children Of Dune)
phenompbg
The first 6 written by Frank Herbert. Although the first novel is the best.
mmmat
All books by Frank, add in Hunters/Sandworms if you want the main story finishing. Also the Butlerian Jihad trilogy is good, I think.
SixWingsWide
I finished the main series with Hunters/Sandworms, but Hunters and Chalterhouse seemed like "filler" books in the series.
mmmat
That's often the way with trilogies/quadrilogies though. Middle books can be that way.
Violaxanthin
Out of all the BJH/KJA books I liked Paul of Dune and Winds of Dune best. Still nowhere near Frank's level, though.
mmmat
Yeah, even at their best they're pale shadows of the original master. But I like having more stories to read, even if they're a bit ropey.
MacRockatansky
I read the first Butlerian Jihad book. Should go back to that, kind of forgot about it. Haven't thought about Dune in a while.
ThePickle
No HG Wells? Do you even SciFi bro?
SovietWrench
At least there's no Jules Vern
KALADlN
No Jules Verne either? What gives?
Drpurrpurrpurr
Seriously. Or Jules Verne. Those two guys INVENTED sci-fi.
PigeonFace
Yeah!
backtobackpanicattack
No Cicero's 'Dream of Scipio' or Plato's 'Atlantis'? Do you even Archaeo-SciFi bro?
ThePickle
Atlantis was real, man.
redsky33
Wells and Verne shaped sci-fi, but none of their books did it standing on their own. It was the abundance of contribution a they made.
PraiseMelora
Also no John Wyndham (Day of the Triffids, The Midwich Cuckoos, The Chrysalids, etc...)
MattHagenr
Thank you
twinkylookinfucker
No Shakespeare , "The Tempest"?? Can you even...
ThePickle
Tempest was straight up fantasy yo, do you even genre-distinguish bro?
stimelstomo
Lovecraft.
skelidan
The Time Machine is one of those books I never stop enjoying.
Demauscian
Really? It's his only book i am incapable of finishing for some reason.
moxymox
Aaaah. That one really takes me back.
TanstaaflTovarisch
I honestly don't like HG Wells books. I thought about putting him in there, but it was a list of my favorite genre shapers.
takemetoyourleader
Quite right. Those saying "what about MY favourites": make your own list. Or humbly suggest additions ;-)
kmikl
Ray Bradbury? I'm disappoint.
farwall
Well you didn't phrase you title like "here's some mid-period sci-fi I like", you set the challenge of "DO YOU EVEN SCI FI BRO!?"
AllOutOfEucalyptus
No Frankenstein? Do you even Proto-SciFi bro?
AdmJota
Speaking of, does anyone else find it cool that SF novels and computer programming were not only both invented by women, but that those 1/2
AdmJota
two women were indirectly connected to each other? (Via Lord Byron: Ada Lovelace's father, and host to the Shelleys when she wrote F.) 2/2
FrozenMarshmallow
Yeh, that is pretty damn cool! Didn't know they were related though. Shame they never really seem to get the credit they deserve...
moxymox
No L. Ron Hubbard? Do you even Pseudo-SciFi bro?
khar0n
There is a very real lack of Neuromancer on this list. Gibson invented cyberpunk.
MacRockatansky
This has been on my to-read list forever. Cyberpunk possibly my favorite sub-genre.
strawberrycupcake
I always recommend Sprawl Trilogy, and I always get thanks when they finish! I heart cyberpunk. Anyone else waiting for Cyberpunk 2077?
BitterBasketCase
Yes! The game is going to take a long time to develop though. Still, I have Deus Ex to fill that hole :)
strawberrycupcake
Try Mars: War Logs, if you haven't. And yeah, Adam Jensen makes cybernetics seckseh. ❤
BitterBasketCase
Just searched it up. Looks interesting. Will defs try it out.
subtlemrs
Gibson gets way less credit than he deserves. Meaning he never gets any credit and he should get tons.
smokerockpunchcops
Welcome to the struggle of Canadian authors
iwouldliveinsaltforyou
Fuck yeah he did
lemonwaterice
He's the reason the term otaku is in the common English vernacular. That's pretty huge.
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
And the word cyberspace
wintermute93
Checking in. Yes, everybody read Neuromancer if you haven't yet.
CziltangBrone
If you like Gibson and Neuromancer, read Snow Crash
wintermute93
And by the same author, definitely read The Diamond Age. Anathem if you like more philisophical SF.
noahbennetcominforyou
+1 for someone else having read anathem
Alaskafin
^ This. I still reread the trilogy every couple of years.
ivegottwolegs
To be fair, OP said that they shaped Sci-Fi. Cyberpunk is a separate, though related, genre. I will agree that people should read Gibson.
siler7
That's the first time I've ever heard that, and I've been into sci-fi for 35 years. You just might be dealing with an opinion, not a fact.
RaspberryRock
Discovered Neuromancer a few years ago. Immediately read it again 6 times in a row.
SweetTru
and the internet ruined it
ToastedEggSandwich
I honestly preferred Mona Lisa Overdrive to Neuromancer, and I feel like Gibson was quickly outclassed by people doing what he did, better.
smokerockpunchcops
One of my professors at uni met him in a coffee shop, he lives in my city. Pretty shy in person.
terithian
Glad it's on there now. I just finished the Sprawl trilogy and I was worried it wouldn't be on there until I clicked 'more.'
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
And Snow Crash
siler7
Sorry. Snow Crash is tolerable and imaginative, even entertaining in parts, but it's just not on Neuromancer's level. Upvote for you, though
Nykidemus
Neuromancer may have come first, but Show Crash is by far the more interesting read.
ivegottwolegs
I don't know if you're confused or just suggesting another author but Snow Crash was written by Neal Stephenson. Not Gibson.
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
yes, i know. i read everything both of them write. Stephenson just published, 'seveneves'.
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
I know. It's similar to the genre and really good too.
AvielMenter
When you read ender's game, read Speaker for the Dead. It is depressing how many people do not follow up.
Tylendal
Never managed to make it through Speaker for the Dead. I've enjoyed every book after though, as well as the Shadow books.
kibbypie
It's VERY different. I like both series for entirely different reasons.
Goacorona
I read the whole sage. It gets weird.
jeffreybaratheon
I would say you really need to read all 3 of the Speaker books to fully appreciate how EG impacted Ender in the long run.
chimchim666
Ender's Game was only a novella at first. Card rewrote it into a full novel specifically because he wanted to use the Ender character (1)
chimchim666
for Speaker of the Dead. I've read 11 books in the series, most of the comics, and am starting on the prequels. I actually really dig (2)
chimchim666
all the philosophical stuff in Xenocide and Children of the Mind. The formics are really awesome in those books as well. Shadows in (3)
chimchim666
Flight was brilliant as well, the most recent book in the Shadow Saga, parallel to Ender's saga. Sci-Fi rules!
ayoungerdumberronswanson
I can't wait for Shadow's Alive.
HackerJacker
This. Actually read all of them, the two arcs (enders and Earths) both lead to some awesome social commentary.
flowseeker
Bean is my favorite protagonist of any book ever
nqabl
Right up there with Thomas Covenant for me.
TheSwoderman
speaker for the dead, and xenocide, and children of the mind. And the series on Bean. Honestly out of them all ender's game 1/2
TheSwoderman
is one of the worst. all super great books though
JadeEliasSledge
Recently bought the whole set. Looking forward to finally getting back home to read them.
kibbypie
By "whole set", you mean all 10? (Just checked wiki - they're up to 16! I forgot a couple and didn't know about the prequels!)
JadeEliasSledge
Crap. I've gotta go get six more books >_<
Varjak42
Speaker for the Dead is really good. Really really really good, even.
Thotpockets
Card's initial intent was to write Speaker, not Ender's game.
VakurArios
Ender's Shadow is also really good!
HelloAlaska
My brother loved ender's game, but actually preferred bean's series.
TalnaShadowblade
I prefer to go Game -> Shadow -> either Speaker for the Dead or up until Shadow of the Giant, then the Speaker for the Dead series.
TalnaShadowblade
Before continuing the books, probably. The prequel trilogy is fun, too.
AlwaysTakeABananaToAParty
No one ever ends says that about Xenocide, even though it's amazing.
bustrpoindextr
It's because it's so vastly different. I started but never finished it.
MrRandom314159
Not only that, but also read Ender's Shadow. Just as good too. (Author's politics set aside.)
uzerok
The author's politics hardly show up in 'these' stories unless you're really looking for them actively.
757365726e616d65
authors views start showing in Speaker and even more in Xenocide. I mean we got scientific proof of immortal soul
uzerok
I thought he meant his views on LGBT and gay marriage. Stuff like "souls" you can find in many works of science fiction.
Carger
I've tried like 3 times. Haven't been able to make it through the prologue.
CthulhuApproved
DON'T STOP THERE!! READ XENOCIDE!! IT'S THE BEST ONE!! SHIT!!!
CrazyZonie
Read that one, and got through a thrid of the next when I stopped reading it. Story just bogged down.
hiddenequality
My tattoo reads "Speaker for the Dead". It's for that book. My favorite of all time.
Kromerag
And the bean books are fucking great reads too.
RedPandaGranda
Heck yes. IMO, Speaker for the Dead is one of the top 5 sci fi novels of all time. A really deep and fantastic read that makes you think.
WisdomThumbs
You da real MVP.
SihayaOfTheAllPowerfulMeh
I prefer the bean books
ThefluteCaptainPicardplayedfirstinhisimaginationtheninreallife
I prefer the Shadow sequels to the ender's game sequels. Ender's Shadow especially (wept like a baby at Bean's quote to the fleet)
RocketMan2
I also enjoyed Ender's Shadow
Itrytojustbrowseforfunnystuff
Honestly I enjoyed the Shadow series more than any other part of the original novels, most of Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide didn't (1/2)
Itrytojustbrowseforfunnystuff
do it for me, although I've always worried that it's just because I don't speak Portuguese...
Daddy3Leggs
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runpinto5k
But avoid xenocide it's not that good
Ilovethingsthatdostuff
I only liked the concept for the books. More so than the books themselves. Card's short stories were more interesting to me
Violaxanthin
His short stories certainly are underrated. Would highly recommend Maps in a Mirror to anyone who likes Ender's Game.
shrimpmasterman
Speaker is awful only read Enders
Imsickofdisshit
My dad is such a nerd he named me Andrew after Ender. And he only told me this after I noted in conversation that Speaker was my fav book.
petraarkanian24422442
Its important to distinguish the enders shadow series also. Equally good. Equally different. As important.
lonestar659
All of those books are good. Except Xenocide. It took me like 4 tries to get through that book. I prefer the Bean series, though.
fuckyoucanada
Speaker for the dead is my favorite out of all the enders series and out of all of beans series.
monkeybrainz
For anyone who is too lazy for a library card or too poor to buy the book, PDF: http://rhetoffear.pbworks.com/f/SpeakerForTheDead.pdf
kimmielou3
Wehn you read Speaker for the Dead, read Xenocide. When you read Xenocide, read Children of the Mind.....
Domillia
There are 15 books in the series, I am looking forward to them all. Just finished Enders Shadow. % books in 10 to go!
Domillia
* 5 not %
ChristopherReevesLegs
Speaker for the dead feels like he just took a story he had already written and made Ender the main character to capitalize on his success.
HackerJacker
Actually he wanted to use Ender in the SOTD story because he thought it was a good fit, then he rewrote Enders Game into a full novel.
ChristopherReevesLegs
That makes sense. So he had a good short story and blended more of the speaker crap into it. Makes perfect sense!
AvielMenter
It's kind of the opposite, oddly. Ender's Game was a story he'd already written that he'd adapted to be a prequely for Speaker.
eskimo56
Oh my GOSH speaker for the dead was so astoundingly good. Blew my mind a little, so different to ender's game.
Bluebonnetsdammit
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rokitsurgeon
Am I the only die hard fan who didn't think the movie was too bad? They did what they could within the format
HackerJacker
The movie was fine, it tells a different story to the book but its still a good story. Like a decent cover version of a classic song
AvielMenter
It was okay, but too fast paced. They needed to slow it down, let you think about what was going on.
Periapsis13
Don't bother with Xenocide or Children of the Mind unless you're really into philosophical digressions. Ender's Shadow, however, is amazing.
chimchim666
I loved both :)
subtlemrs
I really enjoyed all 4! But I like philosophy.
CthulhuApproved
Xenocide is the greatest work of Philosophical Science fiction written in my lifetime... It's a masterpiece
AvielMenter
I still found Xenocide pretty good. Children of the Mind was kind of loopy and you read it just to finish the series.
757365726e616d65
sadly, before I read xenocide I knew that O.S.Card is militant christian so the philosophy aspects of those books were tainted by it for me
kibbypie
I loved the Ender series and the Shadow series, for entirely different reasons. Shadows in Flight was terrible, though.
MrScud
Speaker is probably my favorite in the series. Read the four core novels following ender. Shit gets so crazy
Nineteenletterslong
Agreed, Speaker is my favorite. But now back to tracing wood grain lines in the floor.
MadHakon
I'm having flashbacks of tree animals and Space China.
reminryme
Space china was amazing
switters810
Speaker was great but xenocide was imho the best-writteb
mendrak
It becomes super soap opera-y.
Zahnradfee
Yeah. Especially in the last book. I don't like that very much. All women love Ender. I mean he IS awesome, but it's a bit too much.
reminryme
I think love and loss is a good finale, I mean he avoided it for millenias for the most part. Solid end.
cfb362
I just read Ender's Game. what should I read next? it seems there are a lot of heated differing opinions.
illegalacorn
If you read Game, you should read Ender's Shadow. Same time frame, different perspective, way better. More awesome in every way.
cfb362
will do.
HackerJacker
Depends on your preference. I would say the shadow arc is closer in style and subject, but the Ender arc obviously has Ender
cfb362
thanks!
pod6isjerks
Ender's Shadow
AvielMenter
Speaker for the Dead is the sequel. I'd recommend that.
CthulhuApproved
Speaker For the Dead... Then Xenocide... If you enjoy Philosophical Science Fiction... Otherwise stop now
Khambhat
Ender in Exile, follows directly after Ender game. Was written recently and is relatively unknown.
ThePeoplesCartographer
Abandon ship! Seriously, quit now while you're ahead, it only takes like a book and a half for the whole thing to go to shit
Tankdoggy
Get it used, he is a bigot. http://www.verbicidemagazine.com/2013/11/07/homophobia-quotes-orson-scott-card-controversy-bigot-enders-game/
warick
For fuck's sake, that doesn't make the books bad by default.
Tankdoggy
Who said it made the books bad? I said buy it used, so the bigot / racist author gets no money.
cfb362
yes, I intend to. not sure why you were downvoted tho.
Tankdoggy
The mormons / bigots don't like being called out I guess.
kibbypie
The Ender series goes into the future, and becomes more philosophical. The Shadow series is current and immediate, and is more action.
cfb362
thanks!
OtterAvalanche
I personally do not recommend going any further than that in the series. Those two are great though.
iHaveToPoop
Speaker is the best, but they all are definitely worth a read IMO. Xenocide especially, not to mention all of the Ender's Shadow series
AvielMenter
Xenocide is pretty damn good. Children of the Mind is kind of loopy but finishes up the series.
Whooptyfreakindoo
Ender's Game, Then Speaker for the Dead, then Xenocide. STOP THERE. then read the shadow series.
MagpieChristine
I would say that Children of the Mind is ok, but definitely nothing after the Shadow Series.
subtlemrs
I love Children of the Mind!
iHaveToPoop
Me too! Everyone in this thread is hating on it, but it's definitely worth a read IMO
AvielMenter
Children of the Mind is meh, it is not so terrible that you shouldn't even look at it.
Whooptyfreakindoo
Children of the Mind is okay, I guess. I just don't think its worth the time. Maybe after the shadow series.
AvielMenter
It's worth it mostly just to know how it ends.
Tankdoggy
Try to find it used, so you don't support the crazy bigot author
WisdomThumbs
His crazy is exaggerated and books present the best version of their author. If you want the real Card, look past him to his work.
Tankdoggy
Agreed!
Veriea
Hoo boy, is that true. Just look at Wyrms or A Planet Called Treason or the Homecoming series. Good reads for the most part but 1/2
Veriea
when have that little peak beneath the surface...more than a little scary. 2/2
AvielMenter
It's weird; the books have very humanist messages. Many of his statements clearly do not.
Tankdoggy
Depends which books you read, he writes a lot of mormon fiction as well, believes in some really radical crazy things.
AvielMenter
Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead in particular. It's hard to read those and think "dehumanizing some people is still okay tho"
Tankdoggy
Really sucked, I read Ender's Game as a young gay kid, maybe 9 or 10ish? found out how fucked he was, was disappointing.
Tankdoggy
Or - my religion needs to overthrow the government, or his anti-women stuff.
Tankdoggy
Looks like the downvote fairies are out in force, or a lot of mormons.
Tankdoggy
Try to find it used, don't support a racist / bigoted & religious zealot author.
Tankdoggy
Here are some quotes - http://www.verbicidemagazine.com/2013/11/07/homophobia-quotes-orson-scott-card-controversy-bigot-enders-game/
Varjak42
How is he racist?
Tankdoggy
http://www.vice.com/read/orson-scott-card-is-officially-the-most-racist-sci-fi-author
Looboob
I'm a gay sci-fi fan from Greensboro, NC (where Card lives). Fuck that guy. He was an active supporter of the gay marriage ban here in 2012
FBIhere
And so, because he disagrees with your lifestyle, he is a bad guy? I mean, I support gay rights, but I also think everyone deserves respect.
Looboob
It's one thing to disagree, it's another to advocate and participate in the restriction of a person's rights because of those beliefs.
FBIhere
Just like advocating and participating in buying the book secondhand, so the money he has the right to does not go to him. See what I mean?
Tankdoggy
And the Mormon / bigot down vote fairies are out, all my posts are negative now.
Tankdoggy
Agreed!
phanorkner
Or actually do your research and realize he isn't racist or bigoted. http://www.hatrack.com/misc/Quotes_in_Context.shtml
CthulhuApproved
+1... It drives me fucking insane that out of context quotes killed this guy. Just because he's Mormon and disagrees with other people...
Varjak42
Thanks for commenting this, this helps.
Looboob
Actually, he is a bigot (I can't comment of the racism part). He lives in Greensboro, NC (where I lived until a few years ago) and he 1/?
Looboob
wrote a very homophobic article for The Rhinoceros Times (a local indy paper that I just learned went out of business is '13). I can't 2/?
Looboob
link to it because the website is gone. When he wrote the article, NC was a battle ground for gay civil rights w/ Amendment One in 2012 3/?
tweetledumb
So, your point is that he's just a homophobe? Yeah, still not going to support him. And yes, I read the link. He wants to deny people rights
FBIhere
And he has the democratic right to do so. Freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. Buying a good book that doesn't reflect his views won't
FBIhere
encourage them. Trust me when I say that the books in no way reflect his political views, and buy the book. He deserves that much, at least.
tweetledumb
I never implied he didn't have a right to his views. He does. I just strongly disagree with him. I am choosing to exercise my right to (1)
tweetledumb
Also, I don't understand why you would think it would make any difference if his views were written in this particular book or not.
cfb362
agreed. I'm annoyed I bought it on Kindle before I found out about this.
Tankdoggy
Yep, why I didn't see the movie, and I advocate others not to buy it new.
phanorkner
http://www.hatrack.com/misc/Quotes_in_Context.shtml
Looboob
I read an entire article of his in a local indy paper where he lives (Greensboro, NC - The Rhino Times, it went out of business in 2013) 1/?
Looboob
Everything was very "in context" and it was very clear what his thoughts were on gay people. He supported the proposed ban on gay 2/?
darmir
Speaker for the Dead is a very different book than Ender's Game. Still very good, but don't expect it to be the same as the first.
fantasticfrank
To me that was the best part. I was in awe of Card's ability to switch gears so well.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
Very different in the sense that it is easy to imagine really enjoying one and not caring much for the other, and which varying by reader.
Zahnradfee
"Speaker" is better than the first, methinks. It's one of my most favourite books at all.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
Ender's Shadow was my favorite, I think.
Zahnradfee
I haven't read that yet, but it's in my bookcase. One day I will get to it. :)
AllForOneAndOneForAll
You should, it's incredible how different a story it is just by being told from another perspective
Dictatorschmitty
Children of The Mind is just weird. The series goes in a totally different direction than you'd expect
ElFasso
Children of the Mind is my favorite of the sequels actually. To each their own
MouseRatScarecrowBoat
Urg I'm reading that right now. At this point ik the series has turned so differently but I prefer to finish what I started all those years.
Kwaj
Did teach me a reasonable amount of Portugese, though.
Dictatorschmitty
Card uses a lot of Portugese for some reason. The shadow series has the Hegemony headquarter in Brazil
parksAndRings
That book is the reason I know that I could comfortably visit Portugal or Brazil with just my high school Spanish
Thorlite
That's where I stopped. It was a good read, but I couldn't see it growing as a story from there.
expectopatranus
And yet it does keep growing. Or ... what's the opposite of growing? Shrivelling up? Yeah it shrivels up.
GunArm
Yep it just went off the rails with Children of the Mind, I couldn't get through it.
Thorlite
Yeah, I struggled... I think Orson Scott Card did too.
MirielBjartskular
Same for me. It just got too weird
Dictatorschmitty
Well that is the last one. And the shadow series isn't weird until Shadows in Flight
Thorlite
So is the rest of the series not a continuation of it? It splits off into 2 other storylines doesn't it? So many Q's!
AnotherGoblin
? That's the last book. Enders Game, (newly added Ender in Exile), Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. They're all good.
Thorlite
Yeah, but there's a whole other series he's written around it.
AnotherGoblin
Then there's the Bean (Enders Shadow) series of the events that unfold on Earth after battle school and tell of Peter Wiggin as well.
TheCrocodileInTheMoatOfTheWastedCastle
A much better story than Ender's, in my humble opinion.
chucknasty
Ender's Game has been my favorite book for a long time but Dune is a very close second. Also, Neuromancer should be on here.
Taiorion
Agreed! Neuromancer should def be here. How about Flowers for Algernon? Let's make it into a top 20 instead of a top ten...
Taiorion
Also 1984 and/or Brave New World.
itsbre
I always thought those two would be boring and were only liked because they're classics. I read them recently, and I was completely wrong
Taiorion
Orwell was actually a linguist, you can see some of his theoretical work at play in the whole Newspeak phenomenon in 1984.
MetalJesus
Fuck yes, Neuromancer. That book gave birth to cyberpunk. Why is it not on this list? D:
tombombadilf
I've never understood the hype over Enders Game. I read it in high school and it bored the crap out of me.
CaptainFumbles
Yeah I read it in high school too, wasn't a fan. I was more into John Ringo and David Weber back then.
repostwithtopcomment
You were too old for it.
whiteymcnight
stranger in a strange land is one of my top sci-fi favorites
bk201contractor
Me too. I've read it at least 6 times already and never get tired of it
Goodwolf
Grok in fullness and may you never thirst.
JayTay47
Starship Troopers. Heinlein's best ever.
AMediocreSubstituteForDave
I get mad every time I see that terrible, terrible disaster of a movie that ruined the book
afbujinkan
Agreed. Douchey director read half the book then decided to make a movie out of it to trash the author.
Cyberwere
I always thought, after seeing it, that Verhoeven read the blurb on the back of a paperback copy and said, "Ah-ha! Here's my script!"
DrDresDog
I was reading this on the train and some Hassidic guy came up to me and started telling me how he loved it when he was my age.
CanduReactor
This book really made me thing about what humor is.
admiralgeneralmanbearpig
I read it again every year, and still waiting isn't full.
TheFlyingHellfish
Share water.
Goodwolf
Never thirst.
PandaBearSoup
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55100522.jpg
NotTheManhattenProject
I've never liked it. I don't try to dissuade people from liking it, but it didn't resonate with me for a second.
Snooj
I still have my duct-tape bound copy given to me by my best friend and read, lo, these 100 times.
bbirbb
Had to read it for school. I've never hated a book more than that pile of excrement. (seriously, I couldn't stand it..)
BetYouCantHitMeWithaQuarter
Citizen Of The Galaxy is one of mine
AMediocreSubstituteForDave
I really like Heinlein, but Stranger isn't even in my top 10 of heinlien stories
oldenoughtonotbedoingthis
Surprised no one has mentioned Have Spacesuit, Will Travel. Fluffy, but ripping yarn.
warick
I just saw Jake saying "grok" on Adventure Time, it made me so happy.
MrSpindles
Some film had a car park shot with a bumper sticker that read "I grok Spock". I was instantly impressed.
parksAndRings
That book was really fucking weird
CthulhuApproved
In my opinion Mr. Heinlein is the J.R.R. Tolken of Science fiction
MacRockatansky
Nah, Frank Herbert gets that title. Only author ever to rival Tolkein's world-building. Vastly prefer reading Heinlein over both though.
CthulhuApproved
I love Herbert.. But he worked in three dimensions... Heinlein worked in four :)
MacRockatansky
How much Herbert have you read? Things started getting a bit too metaphysical for me along about Children Of Dune.
CthulhuApproved
I read most. My favorite was The Godmakers... It was amazing
RapCatTheRappingestCat
I grok
helpidontknowmyname
A canticle for Leibowitz.
standards
by Walter M. Miller, Jr.
stoffo
It bored me to no end... well, there was an end in the end.
18nalax
I couldn't stand it. It had so much potential, but morphed into a swingers cult. I get what he was going for, but not a fan.
qahatrack
Bored me to tears, couldn't finish it.
PhilipW
It was such an influential novel. It always surprised me. It was never made into a movie. I guess it would be difficult to do so.
wildflowur
I just started reading it last week!
buckets502
Love everything RAH, but my money is on The Cat Who Walks Though Walls
HaliRyan
I always wanted to know more about the people of the planet that the Martians destroyed.
moldycracker67
My favorite book since I was 13
CrazyZonie
Really? I liked Starship Trooper better.
Nykidemus
Grats on having taste.
ChemicalPizza
Mine too. I came to the comments just to say, I didn't know there's a movie..? I'm going to go find that now
Benegesseritwitch75
I loved Citizen of the Galaxy and Stranger in a Strange Land. I re-read them during my divorce they helped in a strange way
oldenoughtonotbedoingthis
What about Time Enough For Love?
Benegesseritwitch75
I don't think I've read it, added to my list of books to read though. I really enjoy Heinlein
StrangeSavant
I started to read it, but I dislike Heinlein's writing style.
erischilde
Right. Also why I'm obsessed with wincest and cats 16 years later :/
zcheney
I grok you.
ISarabi
Get a pool, you two.
MotherofMrFace
So weird - My Mom told me last night that if she ever got a tattoo, it would be "GROK".
StandardDeviant
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is my favorite.
qbvet
All I can think of when reading this comment, is David Friedman, who always praises this one
Cyranojoe
Best Heinlein, hands down.
MacRockatansky
Yeah, I probably agree with that. Really liked Starship Troopers too, but Moon probably the better book. Look at OP's name though.
MacRockatansky
That and Starship Troopers had pretty big impact on my world-view.
StandardDeviant
Me too, I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress every few months or so. That ending tho
ByGonzah
Wrote my Masters thesis around The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Truly the pinnacle of RAH's craft
prettierandyoungerbutnotanybetteroff
The two of them are my faves. I couldn't pick just one. TMIAHM is more fun, but SIASL made me think so much more.
pilotg2
It is being made into a movie. Bryan Singer working on it.
StandardDeviant
I read the script, it's good, but they Ender's Game'd it a little, though.
KroniK907
Came here to say this
UnknownGenius
mine too.
Kate62
Has anyone read "Time enough for love" ? My favorite Heinlein. Lazarus Long. The man who was too lazy to fail
Nykidemus
Yeah, I didnt like the lazarus books nearly as much as the stand-alone work.
wassamattayu
women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should just get used to the idea
CthulhuApproved
The whole Lazurus Long series is amazing... Number Of The Beast, The Cat Who Walks Through Walls... My favorite author!!
Goodwolf
Awesome story. I couldn't help but feel that Whedon cribbed bits of Long's personality for Malcolm Reynolds, even if subconsciously.
HaliRyan
The Lazarus Long books were okay, but definitely on the creepy end of the Heinlein spectrum... "Let's have sex with my juvenile xx clones!"
youdontknowmeormydog
This and a massive Oedipus complex surfaces
whiteymcnight
never heard of it
hyperdistortion
Still need to track down a copy - I blitz through Starship Troopers and The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress every so often, both superb.
CthulhuApproved
Try "The Number of the Beast"
Goodwolf
That one seemed almost satirical to me... then I learned it was meant to be.
CthulhuApproved
It's genius
mamadoom
One of my favorites. The other is The Cat Who Walks Through Walls.
CthulhuApproved
Masterpiece, that
NickRivieraMD
It's hauntingly beautiful
GreavesKo
Personally I prefer "Citizen of the Galaxy" by Heinlein.
warick
I just bought this book used, I need to put it at the top of my list to read.
whiteymcnight
i like to read. i will order this right now
TanstaaflTovarisch
Might want to check out The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as well.
whiteymcnight
just ordered foundation, forever war, and Citizen of the Galaxy. after these i will try the moon is a harsh mistress
MacRockatansky
As a soldier/veteran, Starship Troopers and Forever War are both very important to me. Citizen also very enjoyable, but did not speak to me.
JCSaulinger
Title comes from Sophocles' 'Oedipus at Colonus' if you were ever interested, it's a great play, far better than Oedipus Rex in my opinion.
prettierandyoungerbutnotanybetteroff
Keep trying to get my boyfriend to read it and he says he dislikes the way Heinlein structures his writing and can't get into it :|.
ellisDtripp25
It's also one of my favorite songs by Leon Russell.
notme222
I've tried reading but it's just too sexist. Even for 1961. There's plenty of older fiction where women were respected even if diminished.
pigeonheart
The sexism wouldn't bother me if there was an actual plot, but the rest is just wanky, tired ideals that haven't been interesting for 40+yrs
whiteymcnight
i agree. those books are dated in their views, it is something i have to accept with the time period they came from
MrSpindles
This. Or take the view that the "silly girls" is merely a view from the male characters and let the reader make up their own mind.
mendrak
Then he did Moon is a Harsh Mistress which puts women on top of all the hierarchy.
Niddhogg
Not only sexist, but the Muslim character is nicknamed Stinky and basically a horrible caricature. I couldn't finish it.
illegalacorn
But have you read Friday? Still Heinlein, but 1982. Female protag, pretty awesome novel.
notme222
No, I may have to try that. I wanted context for "grok" so Stranger was my first (and last) Heinlein.
illegalacorn
You should definitely try Friday. I didn't find any sexism from the author.
MacRockatansky
Would you consider Moon or Puppet Masters sexist? Both had solid supporting female characters.
notme222
Didn't read them so I couldn't say. Worth a look?
MacRockatansky
Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, recommend without reservation. Puppet Masters semi-mindless sci-fi horror. Enjoyed both, personally.
MacRockatansky
Both are initially only introduced because the main character finds them hot, but they go on to be far more than sex objects (2/2)
MacRockatansky
I'm not saying either is carrying the torch of women's rights or anything, just that both have great female characters in the #2 role. (1/2)
azazyel
It's actually like 2 different books.
MacRockatansky
I remember reading something somewhere about this being a result of a mental condition he was suffering from. Forget the details.
MacRockatansky
For how many of his books I've read, I know embarrassingly little about the man himself.
whiteymcnight
agreed
dpidcoe
Yeah. First half was good. Second half got pretty wtf-ey and stupid.
advicedoge77
Too much Jesus allegory
Ademan
Funny you say that, I put down Stranger in a Strange Land about halfway through and never picked it back up again...
johnvictor
Became a platform for Heinlein to soapbox. It's not a bad soapbox at times, but it can get...weird.
dpidcoe
That was worst part for me. I though I didn't mind most Heinlein soapboxes, but he really went full retard with that one.
johnvictor
Aye, I agree with the general unity portion but found the parallels he was trying to draw with Christianity rather uncanny valley.
RIIIIIIGGS
I tried reading it years ago but never got into it. Worth trying again twenty years later?
whiteymcnight
i think so. i didn't read it till about four years ago. if you do, let me know what you think
RIIIIIIGGS
Ok. I think I still have it at my parents'. Bought it in a bookstore in the time before the internet. Maybe I'll get it on the kindle.
pigeonheart
I am a pretty rabid consumer of sci-fi (and non-sci-fi), and I count Stranger in a Strange Land among the worst books I've ever read.
RIIIIIIGGS
Thanks. I'm busy enough as it is, so I don't want to take time away from family and other things. Netflix is not going to watch itself.
AManInATanJacketCarryingADeerskinSuitcaseWhomNoOneCanRemember
Definitely.
dpidcoe
meh. The first half was good, second half was Heinlein having a preachy (more than he usually is) philosophical circlejerk with himself.
RIIIIIIGGS
Ha. Good to know!
MrNotRightNowButMaybeLater
Haha, not to mention awkward and surprisingly not fun to read carnie threesome in a hot tub I guess?
dpidcoe
I think that was the bit that made me put the book down and give up on it. It was just so embarrassingly bad I couldn't take it anymore.
MrNotRightNowButMaybeLater
omg same!
Skotadi13
Dune is an amazing book as is the series.
RobMcClain
Dune always spoke to me as an allegory about oil and the Middle East.
Punk1209
agreed. still the best books I've ever had the pleasure of reading. You're spot on tho
Sighchologist
Love the original and have read a couple times, but the 2nd and 3rd get a little too dense and tedious for me! Still love the universe tho.
darmir
The first couple were good, but the quality dropped fairly fast after that I feel.
SixWingsWide
Do you mean quality as in cohesion with the original vision or writing style? I felt the sequels after God emperor drifted off the mark, but
SixWingsWide
I also think of the universe building aspect. The honored matres were weird, but their backstory was epic. Supposedly, Herbert outlined the
SixWingsWide
Whole thing himself.
brainstrain
Yeah - the first one is a masterpiece. Sequels quality varies a ton. I thought Chapterhouse was the best of 'em.
Ilovehorriblemovies
first 3 amazing. the son took over and he is not the writer his father was.
kibbypie
The original series, or the prequels his son wrote?
Skotadi13
Original
kibbypie
Good, because the prequels DO NOT EXIST.
JewishMonk
Honestly, I kinda liked the prequels. They are a different animal, but on their own merits they are not bad books.
Skotadi13
I figure I might read them anyway, just for he hell of it.
kibbypie
I read the first 3, and gave up. According to them, a lot of back story happened in the same year, and flat out contradicts later stuff. :P
nevertickleasleepingdragon
Hyperion is fantastic, and the sequel just as good.
finitetoast
And then make sure to read Endymion and Rise of Endymion, although you might want to take some time off in between because minor retcons.
ThisIsNetsu
That reminds me I need to finish the series. Been listening to the first 3 audiobooks so far. Good stuff.
FluffyPuddles
Hyperion - Dan Simmons audio book full you tube.com/watch?v=kkTfOkw9NLc
LitchLitch
the problem is they really aren't two books, last 1/4 of hyperion is in Fall, then there's a novella of a sequel
aquaticonions
All of the sequels actually
heroesblood
Hyperion felt like it was pushing its setting too hard for me to enjoy it. Example: Call them trees, not gymnosperms for god's sake.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
dunno, I liked that. you never know what language mutations happen over centuries - and this is a future future book
heroesblood
See, that's a point of view I wish I'd had at the time.
OverlyOptimisticGuy
Maybe the awesome writing has been lost in translation, but for me it was just an ordinary SF book. Not even close to a top10 for me
nevertickleasleepingdragon
I read the both books over two very long flights, and they were really intriguing to me. What are your top ten (if i may ask)?
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Proxy24
I laughed way too hard at that
nevertickleasleepingdragon
I read the second one on my ipad over a long flight, it was pretty much the least boring flight of my life.
Sighchologist
Oh man, I can only imagine. I've read the series a few times and that would be an awesome way to read that one the first time. GREAT books!
nevertickleasleepingdragon
Yeah! I don't sleep well on planes because of how big I am, but the book was worth staying up.
HamiltonIsland
Endymion is also amazing. I enjoyed nearly more than Hyperion.
supergreenpasta
I was wondering if I should continue on to Endymion
HamiltonIsland
Yes, please do. It is incredible.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
Is that part of the series or a different series? I'll google it in my free time!
HamiltonIsland
Different Series. With some similar characters. .
Reidsb
I read the books about once every two years, they are my favorite.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
I'm the same with the Ender's Game quartet, and sometimes single books like red october and such.
TanstaaflTovarisch
The Shrike is my muse
AllOutOfEucalyptus
While Foundation will always be my favorite, the Cantos earned itself a rather nice spot on my shelf.
petezahutt
+1 for this. Read al four of them, every once in a while
Sighchologist
I do the same, every few years I read through all 4 again and always find something interesting and new I didn't wrap my head around before!
Sighchologist
Can't tell you how awesome it is to hear someone else say they do this, as an AVID sci-fi reader, still my absolute all-time fav series!
SovietWrench
"The Lord and the Colonel" http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/362/d/3/the_lord_and_the_colonel_by_abiogenisis-d6zpyow.jpg
nevertickleasleepingdragon
neat!
Sighchologist
Whoa, super cool - thanks for sharing! Their battle once he's been given the powers over spacetime in the metallic skin is unforgettable!
Orion159
And the two following as well. Though they're a bit different.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
Which ones?
Orion159
Endymion and Rise of Endymion.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
thanks!
wintermute93
Endymion and Rise of Endymion. They're very different, but very cool in their own right. There's another character with Shrike-like powers.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
On the list!
SweetTru
Reading Fall of Hyperion right now actually. Just great storytelling.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
wooo!
Tredecim
Haha enjoy I miss my first read :')
Sighchologist
Man, you said it. The first time I read that series honestly changed my life in some weird, nebulous way. What an amazing series.
Tredecim
Same here. Have a good journey, friend !
knockoutn336
Hyperion is my favorite book. The sequel was just OK. I would have been happier if Hyperion were a standalone novel.
Sighchologist
Hyperion is my favorite book, period, but I love the overall Cantos as well. Check out Illium/Olympos if you haven't yet!
knockoutn336
I didn't like Illium
nevertickleasleepingdragon
Or perhaps a larger novel, merging the two?
knockoutn336
I think you misunderstood me. I said that I didn't like Hyperion's sequel The Fall of Hyperion.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
What I meant was that Hyperion should've been longer and wrapped up it's tale - instead of the Fall. Personally, I enjoyed both novels.
TheBeastRabban
Agree that Fall was not as good, but Hyperion kind of left a lot of loose ends hanging.
knockoutn336
I normally hate cliffhanger endings. Hyperion would be the only thing I can think of. IMO it wouldn't matter what'd happen after that
DysgraphicProgrammer
I didn't care about any of the characters.
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AllOutOfEucalyptus
Really? I loved Silenus! He was so endearing, kind, and caring.
cerastes
Asshole cunt peepee fuck. Goddamn poo poo.
AllOutOfEucalyptus
Such poetry.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
haha, I found a few to be tedious, but they all were decently written.
IknowJackKennedyandyousirarenoJackKennedy
There's a sequel? I just finished Hyperion, man am I excited!
Sighchologist
Oh my goodness. Dude, jump in and enjoy. My honest-to-god favorite book series, and I'm a voracious reader. Concludes 1st one very nicely.
Apomelasma
OK, so, character A (adult) rescues character B (12yo). he essentially raises and takes care of her. queue awkward sex scene. i'm done.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
go go go!
Sighchologist
Haha you took the words right out of my mouth!
Apomelasma
i'm largely disappointed with rise of endymion so far, but i'm not finished with it... things get weird after fall of hyperion
wutizurkwest
4 books make up the saga. Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, Endymion, Rise of Endymion.
jadespider
You can like what you like, go on, enjoy it. But Hyperion was so bad...so bad. I've seen 7th grade pass-around stories with better structure
iamOzymandiasLookOnMyWorksDumbassAndDespair
I found it mostly tedious also. The whole thing seems to hang on the enlightened phrase 'choose again'. Bleh
nevertickleasleepingdragon
I disagree.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
If you like Hyperion I can also warmly recommend Ilium and Olympos by the same writer. Blends sci fi and greek together with Shakespeare.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Disclaimer: My favourite books.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
I'll try those out!
Tredecim
Yeah those two books are so unique Dan Simmons is fucking brilliant all his books are worth reading (not only sci fi)
WeShallDoubleOurEfforts
Ilium was absolutely fantastic, but, in my opinion, Olympos is a travesty.
jimmycolorado
Ilium, definitely a pro-read. Olympos... I had to check to see if it was by the same author! Unmitigated rubbish.
Orion159
I dunno man. I've got some grips with the ending.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Too happy?
Orion159
*Spoilers ahead*
Orion159
For me, I felt like he had all these powerful cosmic forces ready to converge, then they just backed off.
Orion159
Responded past the spoiler wall then.
SovietWrench
The conversation with the dolphins on Maui Covenant will always give me chills. "Do you miss the whales?" /MISS SHARK/MISS SHARK/MISS SHARK
SweetTru
The consul's tale about MC was the best of the bunch IMO.
CoconutCyclone
I love those parts but I hate the rest. I'm like half way through the 2nd book and it's so hard to keep going sometimes.
SweetTru
I think the MC sequence was originally a short story. Maybe his short fiction??
SovietWrench
I honestly loved all but Kassad's tale (which I still like). Some of the New Bushido history stuff got a little tedious.
SweetTru
Silenus' was so damn tedious too tho
Sighchologist
I love Kassad's part for the really solid sci-fi action sequences and trippy time-bending love story going on. Priest's might be my fav.
SovietWrench
I think Lamia's tale is my favorite. It's straight-up Space Noir, if that's even a thing.
puremind7772
The first story about the priest and his encounter with the Shrike was one of the best pieces of writing i have ever read.
Sighchologist
Couldn't agree more! STILL my favorite book because of the magic and shivers that went down my spine from that and the colonel's stories.
nevertickleasleepingdragon
I'll have to re-read to remember that specific section but I'm sure you aren't wrong. To the library!
SweetTru
The labyrinth scene I believe.
puremind7772
Part One, The Priest's Tale: "The Man who Cried God". Best portion of the entire first 2 Hyperion books in my opinion :)
nevertickleasleepingdragon
Oh wait, is this where the priest visits that one creepy village?
puremind7772
Yup. The one with the cruciform villagers who later take the priest to the underground caverns where he encounters the shrike
TanstaaflTovarisch
Well...some of the books that shaped the genre. These are my top 10 picks for classic sci-fi.
JustTawnee
This looks like the thread to name drop books into, so "Stand On Zanzibar", which is astonishing in both style and substance.
laton
You better have put Asimov's Foundation series on the list - I now accept your list as valid! :)
FarkasMacTavish
Why no Neil Stephenson? >:O
cmdprompts
No such thing as free lunch. Same book named my cat, Pixel.
goodtemplar
Good list. Have read all but one. I'll take the hint
bustyblonde
dune and enders game are my faves on that list. I think dune should be at the top
BrandNewSentence
Nothing from the lensman series? ;(
MrFluffyPantsMan
2001:a space oddesea ?
AgentSmithJR
Looks like some really good reads!
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
I'd also add "The Stars My Destination," it pretty much built the cyberpunk genre
mateysaidwot
Yup. You can't do Godfathers of SciFi without including a Bester.
MichiTheCat
Epic Dune cover.
moldycracker67
Also, Joe Haldeman's The Forever War
Belcanto
Good list, but needs more Jules Verne.
moldycracker67
Now do space opera. Always looking for more good space opera.
notasexyrobot
Stanislaw Lem, Man!
peaceandpenguins
I've read a little over half of these, but I really love Robert Heinlein! Great list! And glad that Left Hand of Darkness is here too!
nononini
Thanks for the list. I am listening to Dune on audio and was just about to finish it and needed something new to start.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Ahhhhhhhh...... to know that someone out there is a fellow Heinlein fanatic. Bless you, sir/madam.
TheGreenFairy
I disagree that the book is better than the movie for Hitchhiker. It's just different. Just like the radio play & miniseries are each (1)
TheGreenFairy
Different. Adams felt the story should change with each medium and was heavily involved in production until his death near the end of filmin
TheSonOfX51
RIVERWORLD
humptyblargh
Yes!
Gimple
I'd like to make a case for "Frankenstein" by Mary Shelley
seoulless
I see you have an appropriate username for this :)
WhoIsTheDodie
No vonnegutt? :(
Thesavagehamster
I feel like Hyperion is way too late of an arrival to fit into "shaped the genre" lists. Just my 2c ;P
HiMyNameIsUserName
I really liked Nightfall. That is all.
NeverTrustAWombat
This just gets my blood racing for No Man's Sky.
TheFlyingHellfish
I know George R. R. Martin is famous for "A Song of Ice and Fire" but his start was SF. I recommend his "Thousand Worlds" series.
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TheFlyingHellfish
Arr, Tuf is one of the better sub-series.
ketapp
Agreed. Loved that book.
TheFlyingHellfish
I've only read two of the stories, "A Beast for Norn" and "Guardians". In the anthology "Dreamsongs".
kpw0001
What do you think about 2001? That's one of my favorites not on this list.
heinleinfan
Good list! Great username!
ryukochan
If you haven't read the Destination Void Series, you really should.
CatWithHands
The two of us have very similar favorite lists! +1 to you, sir!
Ipoststuffififeellikeit
Dune is often said to be the pre- Star Wars Star Wars. The first one is the best, IMO. Also- HHG2tG is an amazing series.
humptyblargh
Good picks. I have read all of these. I'd add The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, and the Uplift Saga by David Brin, essential reads.
pumpkinknight
This is basically a list of my favourite books - but some I have to go and buy tomorrow! Thanks OP!
ryukochan
You're doing the fnords' work, sir.
FaxCelestis
John Steakley's "Armor" being absent from this list is a goddamn travesty.
humptyblargh
It's good, but not genre-shaping. It's almost Starship Troopers written from a different soldier's viewpoint.
NuclearWinterIsComing
Uh, the Foundation series is five books, with a prequel written after everything else. *pushes glasses higher onto face*
AsSeenByMacaroni
Good list. Glad you included ringworld. I would add c s Lewis' space trilogy. sci fi before it was a genre
SirHosisOfLiver
and toolmaker koan isnt on here? so few people have read it i swear i sometimes think i might have just imagined it
DevonGronka
Not to be critical, but there really should be some Lovecraft on this list. He was one of the first to write about aliens and how 1/2
DevonGronka
vastly different their perspective must be from our own. "The Shadow out of Time" is an amazing example, and it was written before we 2/3
DevonGronka
even had the technology to leave our own atmosphere.
greymouser7
Thank you
TheScarredOne
1-2excellent choices, i would like to point out that HP Lovecraft's influence in both horror and science fiction. He invented Ancient aliens
TheScarredOne
2-2, Brains in jars, demythologization of gods or godlike characters, and a few other classic concepts. still good choices. :)
Tsumino79
no brain and brawn? to ride Pegasus? dragons of pern?
throw5861
What about Old Man's War
fractald
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson was also of similar vintage to Neuromancer and definitely hooked me on the more cyperpunk end of things.
getmepicturesofspiderman
No Jules Verne? Otherwise known as the Father Of Science Fiction? Sad face.
00355092
Going through this list was a riot! I have all these books on my shelf. Good list OP!
pyrodice
I'm a little sad no Vonnegut made this list, but glad to see Ringworld made the cut. :)
ImSnittingNextToBorpo
Please do more!
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chimchim666
i've only read the unabridged, and found it terribly long-winded.
TanstaaflTovarisch
Good point, I think I'll do that.
molo1134
Cheers. BTW, what made you pick Stranger and not TMIAHM (TANSTAAFL, etc.)?
TanstaaflTovarisch
I like TMIAHM more, but I feel that Stranger is the more iconic work.
molo1134
I agree that Stranger seems more widely read and had a greater impact on society. But I personally liked TMIAHM far more, and would [1]
molo1134
[2] recommend it to anyone who wants to read hard sci-fi or wants to have an introduction to Heinlein's works.
Turigamot
Once again, The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe is forgotten.
mikmeh
These are good picks. I'm glad Hyperion is in there.
Dag0bicks
If you like hard sci-fi check out The Quantum Thief written by Hannu Rajaniemi (PhD in mathmatical physics). It is amazing!
athenapallasthewise
I was a little sad not to see a few more really early works. My grandfather was the Editor/Creator of a Sci Fi magazine back in the day.
TanstaaflTovarisch
The early works are amazing, but they were all over the place. I consider those that came later the ones that really solidified (1/2)
TanstaaflTovarisch
sci-fi into what it is today. (2/2)
DerpyPuppy
I second all of these and add in Gateway by Frederik Pohl. Humanity finds FTL ships left by aliens but the ships only go preset places.
laton
OMFG, YES!!! Fantastic series!
trhopkins
Loved Gateway!
demut
I would have included “Rendezvous with Rama” but I suppose you only wanted to go with one title per author.
TanstaaflTovarisch
Correct. It actually pained me to not make another three or four Heinlein listings.
demut
I see. It’s understandable though :)
lngwlkr
Books 2 - 4 ruined that series for me. Loved book 1, book 2 was OK, but 3 & 4 just... no.
demut
I only ever read the first one so I can’t comment on the other ones.
lngwlkr
Once character (female) ends up having kids by 2 different men, then wants the kids to procreate.
demut
wat
mizmoose
Lovecraft, Bradbury, Campbell, Smith, Brown, Bester, Van Vogt... Golden Age authors were doing it long before some of these who are newbies.
LuluWalden
Tiger! Tiger! is a masterpiece. I am deeply in love with alfred bester
Kwaj
Are you calling Lovecraft "sci-fi"?
mizmoose
Are you saying that "monsters who control the universe" isn't sci-fi? and horror? and mystery? and frikkin' awesome?
Kwaj
It is not particularly scientific, no.
mizmoose
Um. Stranger in a Strange Land is classic sci fi. What's so "scientific" about a man w/ powers? Your definition of sci-fi may be restricted.
LuluWalden
and you would have to be the first person i've ever encountered who even knows who he is :)
mizmoose
That's sad. I admit I came to him late - thanks to Babylon 5 naming a character after him, and for good reason.
LuluWalden
my mother stole tiger! tiger! of heroin addicted aunt's acid head boyfriend "Acid Jim", inside the jacket it says
LuluWalden
"THIS IS JIM'S BOOK" in 8 different colours of crayon. I love it dearly.
CerebrawlHemmorage
I've read most of these(8/10), but I could name a bunch more. We have one book in common on our 10 book list posts /a/OSsnk
TanstaaflTovarisch
Neuromancer is an amazing book! lol
CerebrawlHemmorage
Agreed. We're only scratching the surface with these 10 good books lists though. Btw when I was a teenager I read the entire foundation line
CerebrawlHemmorage
The foundation is part of a 28 book timeline. ;)
Fighttheshower
I feel like we're missing some Ron L Hubbard
TanstaaflTovarisch
I have BE and the Mission Earth dekology on my shelves. :)
BallsOFury
Was waiting for someone to bring up Battlefield Earth. My guilty guilty pleasure
humptyblargh
Fun reading, but just barely SF. Tricked up fantasy, really.
teklanis
You like Stranger in Strange Land better than Have Spacesuit, Will Travel?
peaceandpenguins
I think SiaSL is more iconic than better. And if we're talking better, than I'm voting Starship Troopers or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
teklanis
Ah, I love HS,WT. It's a wonderful book. Starship Troopers is fairly excellent though. Agreed on SiaSL.
icanc4
Heinlein is great. I like HSWT too, but SIASL is a classic for a reason. Time Enough 4 Love is close but there's only 1 RAH masterpiece.
darmir
How do you feel about The Forever War by Joe Haldeman?
mateysaidwot
Haldeman! "There Is No Darkness" is one of my lifelong favourites.
TanstaaflTovarisch
I actually haven't read it. It's been recommended a lot. I really should.
Deevanx
Gonna add my "Yes" to these others, given that you enjoy all these books, I can almost guarantee you'll enjoy Forever War.
dpidcoe
First part of the book felt like it was written by a horny 14 year old. Then it got serious and turned into a really good story.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
It's one of my favorites.. I should read it again sometime
darmir
It wasn't my favorite book, but was an interesting counterpoint to Starship Troopers. Also, somewhat similar to Old Man's War by Scalzi
MochaFrapavagina
What about Brave New world?
devilsbreath666
Wish I could give you more points
rwidebrant
Why did I have to look so far to find this?
MochaFrapavagina
It deserves more recognition
DevonGronka
Huxley was amazing. It's incredible how creative some authors were back in the 1920s and 30s.
humptyblargh
BNW and 1984 are awesome, must reads, but both are more political fantasy than SF.
chimchim666
And 1984!?
ThisAccountHasToGetSomewhere
Definitely my favorite sci-fi novel. Doesn't make sense that it's not on a list of books that shaped the genre :(
bustyblonde
I had to read it for AP lit in HS. Honestly enjoyed it
MochaFrapavagina
Our class was supposed to read it sophomore year. Never got around to it so I just read it on my own. It was so amazing
NotaLogo
I love heinlien he is probably my favorite syfi author. First book of his I read was starship troopers
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
I feel like this is a great list to give someone in 1988. In 2015, not so much. The idea of the singularity has so radically changed (1)
LitchLitch
the rapture of the nerds was an interesting idea five or ten years ago but really who even bothers with it anymore? It's like cyberpunk.
TheRicM
OP said, "books that shaped the genre"... so, yeah, of course they will be a bit older
ItIsByWillAloneISetMyMindInMotion
I'd welcome a list of more recent/relevant books!
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
what SF means that these, while still good stories, don't reflect the genre anymore. You need Stross, Egan, Nagata, and Vinge, just (2)
ThePickle
Who?
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
You know, the modern masters of SF. The people who win Hugos and whose work influences everything else happening in the genre today.
ThePickle
Never heard of them. I'm behind on my reading, apparently. Never gave much credence to the awards, always seemed mostly political
TheRicM
OP said "shaped the genre", not reflect it
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
to get started these days. Of the list above, only Dick is still really relevant, imo. (Obvs, ymmv, different strokes/different folk, etc.)
TanstaaflTovarisch
I'm sorry you feel that way. This isn't music, it's literature. A book doesn't lose it's value with years.
randomplaceholder
1/2 While true, the way we understand the book changes. We are shaped by the times we live in, and see everything through that lens.
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
I eagerly await your explanation of the current relevance of the Burroughs canon or of Campbell's impact on modern SF. Since their value (1)
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
doesn't lose anything with years. Both are at least as instrumental as any title you cited.(2)
TanstaaflTovarisch
Dude. They're good stories. Scientific relevance is not something most of the books on this list EVER had.
AllTheUserNamesAreAlreadyTaken
I'm discussing their relevance to modern SF. If these are vital to the genre as it currently exists, that should be an easy bar to clear.
randomplaceholder
2/2 And we see things differently now than we saw them 30 years ago.
TanstaaflTovarisch
It doesn't matter if science has progressed. The books are good and the stories are good. Do you not read computer books from the 80s?
TanstaaflTovarisch
By computer books I mean fictional books with computers heavily featured.
randomplaceholder
1/2 I did not say they weren't good books. Just that a new reader would have a different reaction than someone who read them 20 years ago.
randomplaceholder
4/2 and so on. I read the Foundation books at 15-ish. A 15yr old right now would laugh at most of it, or simply not understand.
randomplaceholder
3/2 When I read a current SCI-fi book and see mention of computers, it's going to reflect our current knowledge - miniature, holographics
randomplaceholder
2/2 To take your computer example, yes, of course I do. But when you said computer in the 80s, everyone thought huge room-sized things.
ThePickle
Bad analogy
TanstaaflTovarisch
Yeah, it is. I love 70s music. But so many people today hate anything older than 3 years that it fit this.
DevonGronka
Bach and Haydn, and even Palestrina are still relevant. You would have been better off saying "it's sci fi, not physics."
ThePickle
fair enough.
saffr
Wait, your username is TANSTAAFL and no Moon is a Harsh Mistress? I am disappoint.
The22ndDoctor
Hey Man, heard any good ones?
TanstaaflTovarisch
I honestly can't be reminded of any of Mike's dialogue without getting emotional. Manny kept listening...forever.
The22ndDoctor
Read "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" and "To Sail Beyond the Sunset"
heinleinfan
Right?
trhopkins
LOVED TMIAHM But I agree Stranger is a better book because it was an assessment of society as a whole
TanstaaflTovarisch
That keeps being mentioned. I like TMIAHM better, but felt that Stranger was more iconic.
NotSoSmartAlek
Very fair point.
KroniK907
I too liked TMIAHM better, but I can see why Stranger was the more iconic book. There is nothing more powerful than creating a religion.
L1ota
I grok this.
The22ndDoctor
Never thirst, little brother.
KroniK907
Well a religion that specifically caters to humans desire for Peace and self realization. If only it were as easy as learning martian.
Speldrawng
TMIAHM propelled me into a career in computer science. I haven't created Mike yet, but it's gonna happen.