So, you're a sci-fi fan?

May 5, 2015 4:54 PM

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Valentine Michael Smith, a human born and raised on Mars, arrives on Earth stunning Western culture...and judging us as a human who has never been exposed to any of our societies.

(I highly recommend all of his books. Whether you agree with his politics or not, he'll make you think.)

*edit* As suggested by molo1134, definitely read the unabridged version.

Niven's hugely influential 1970 novel of an outer space expedition to a mysterious object – a vast artificial world in the shape of a ring – that goes horribly wrong.

Clarke questions the survival of mankind in this science-fiction tale about Overlords from outer space who dominate the world.

While on a mission to the planet Gethen — a world whose inhabitants can change their gender — earthling Genly Ai is sent by leaders of the nation of Orgoreyn to a concentration camp. The exiled prime minister of the nation of Karhide tries to rescue him.

Dick's trippy novel tells of sophisticated off-world androids who turn against their creators, slip back to a post-apocalyptic Earth, and must be hunted down by bounty hunter Rick Deckard. The book inspired — albeit very loosely — the 1982 Ridley Scott film Blade Runner.

A band of psychologists, under the leadership of psychohistorian Hari Seldon, plant a colony to encourage art, science, and technology in the declining Galactic Empire and to preserve the accumulated knowledge of humankind.

Follows the adventures of Paul Atreides, the son of a betrayed duke given up for dead on a treacherous desert planet and adopted by its fierce, nomadic people, who help him unravel his most unexpected destiny.

Young Andrew "Ender" Wiggin, bred to be a genius, is drafted to Battle School where he trains to lead the century-long fight against the alien Buggers.

(Way, WAY, better than that thing that passed as a movie.)

Seven pilgrims undertake a voyage to the world of Hyperion — dominated by a fearsome and mysterious creature called the Shrike — where they hope to learn the secret that will save humanity.

In the first, hilarious volume of Adams' Hitchhiker's series, reluctant galactic traveler Arthur Dent gets swept up in some literally Earth-shattering events involving aliens, sperm whales, a depressed robot, mice who are more than they seem, and some really, really bad poetry.

(Also way, WAY, better than the movie.)

*edit* Late addition! Of all those suggested in the comments this is the one that made me say, "Oh crap! I forgot that one!" So, by popular demand, despite my senility, here it is.

Gibson's groundbreaking debut novel follows Case, a burned-out computer whiz, who is asked to steal a security code that is locked in the most heavily guarded databank in the solar system. A seminal work in the genre that would come to be known as cyberpunk.

Red Planet by Heinlein was excellent!

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Frankenstein was also instrumental is Science Fiction

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Thank you!

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YES! Mary Shelly INVENTED science fiction y'all.

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Hell yeah Mary Shelley!

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Was looking for this comment. Frankenstein pretty much started the genre.

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Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea? Time Machine? Fucking Somnium. Shit goes way back.

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Fuck yeah it was!

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Yes, but these are all somewhat recent books by writers that have significantly influenced the genre and made it what it is today.

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The Original was an exceptional work

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Yes. I would totally switch it out for Hyperion (too late an entry imho)

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Frankenstein STARTED scifi.

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Frankenstein RESTARTED the wifi!

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Actually it is way older than that. The Ancient Greeks, the Mesopotamians, Ancient Japanes, and Ancient Indians all had sci-fi stories

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WHAT ABOUT H.G. WELLS!?

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Do NOT forget "A MOTE IN GOD'S EYE"

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I saw the titles of at least two Iron Maiden songs there. I knew about Dune, but didn't know that Stranger in a Strange land was a book.

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Exodus 2:22 ...he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. So props to Bob, but not the origin.

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Well I didn't know it was an Iron Maiden song.

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Iron Maiden has such excellent lyrics.

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The song "To Tame a Land" by Iron Maiden is about Dune, too.

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Dune. Ahh yes, one of the books that dragged me into the world of sci-fi tbh. 10/10 worth the read

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No Neuromancer? Tsk tsk.

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I grok this list

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No Vonnegut :(

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Sirens of Titan is one of my favorites.

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Forever War, Neuromancer, Snow Crash.

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I feel like I should not have had to scroll this far to find Snow Crash. +1 to you!

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It would be insane. Snowcrash would be epic on screen. I think all 3 are in development hell, but they're out there.

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Forever War!

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Mind melter. Ridley Scott has film rights. He's doing a ton this year, inc. Prometheus 2 & Blade Runner 2, so it's a year or so off (hope)

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I would add "A Mote in God's Eye." I've never read anything else quite like it.

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Then read the above.

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I've read all of the books in this list and they're all pretty good.

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Niven & Pournelle wrote "A Mote in God's Eye," and they wrote "Lucifer's Hammer," which I enjoyed even more.

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Footfall is fantastic also, and the Heorot series, which has some enduring ideas in the colonisation/exploration sub genre. My fave authors.

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I still use the phrase "and on the gripping hand..." Have you read Pournelle's daughter's 'Outies?' I'm a little hesitant.

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I haven't. When I like a book as it's written, I'll skip the follow up stories so I don't ruin my experience.

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Sorry, it should be "The Mote in God's Eye."

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Iain M Banks? Alestair Reynolds?

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I still haven't got around to the Culture series, but my god, I'm pretty sure I've read everything Alastair Reynolds wrote. He's awesome.

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I recommend starting with Player of Games or Excession, then you'll be hooked for life. And when you get to Use of Weapons...well, have fun!

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I recently got into reading Arthur C. Clarke. Childhood's end was... just brilliant.

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I found the ideas explored there very interesting but it was disappointing as a story. I hope that tv series will be better in that aspect

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I always found Clarke's work lacking in story but his ideas are phenomenal.

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I've read 2 of his books and I've got the feeling that he can do better/more engaging story and characters but he simple chose not to

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I just finished it today...it was OK.

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I felt the same way, I liked "Rendezvous with Rama" much more, better blend of ideas and story

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You should check out his short story (like 5 pgs) Dial F for Frankenstein, if you haven't already

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It was, but made me sad about the utopian Earth. I wanted to live there SO BAD.

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If you enjoy Phillip K. Dick, try "The Man in the High Castle". It is a great alternate history novel.

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Phillip K Dick wrote TMITHC using the I Ching to determine the plot in the same way the lead characters use it to determine their actions.

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“We are all insects. Groping towards something terrible or divine-”

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I just read that not too long ago. Good recommendation, though not sci-fi.

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Agreed, also Ubik and A scanner darkly.

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A scanner darkly is just one big acid trip

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Check out "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch". Super trippy.

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Woah that looks pretty cool il have to check it out, thanks!:)

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Especially Scanner

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DUUUUUUUUUUUUNE!

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Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the world. May He keep the world for His people.

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Read Dune then look at Star Wars and BattleTech lore. To say they were "inspired" by Dune would be putting it very lightly.

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But not the sequels and never acknowledge that the prequels exist

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Yup. They were shite. Like, wut happened? Mai gawd ;_;

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I like the sequels (like I like all the Ender novels) but the prequels - barf.

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Hunters and Sandworms of Dune make you understand the whole first 6 books. Yes they are written by Brian, but from extensive notes by Frank

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Any love for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?

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My favorite Henlin novel.

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Look at OP's name...

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TAANSTAFL, you grok?

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I actually liked the BBC serial more than both the book and the movie.

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Nobody watches BBC (in America) so we wouldn't know

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-listens-

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When Alan Rickman speaks, everyone listens

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I've got this pain in all the diodes down my left side.

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...no Bradbury? Blasphemy.

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Right? No A.E. Von Vogt either, which is far less surprising, but I'm just looking for an opportunity to mention him.

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I was shocked that Bradbury's worked wasn't mentioned, and even more shocked Frankenstein isn't on this list.

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I think HG Wells technically has the "first" sci-fi story, but Frankenstein is right there. Good call.

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+The Forever War (1970's classic sci-fi), and Leviathan Wakes (2011)

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Leviathan Wakes was amazing!

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The Forever War was a bit meandering, but I enjoyed where it ended up.

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Oh yeah, I got so hooked on The Expanse saga (Leviathan Wakes and the other books)! Can't wait for more, even if it's a happy-series now :)

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Me too. I went to buy Nemesis Games right after finishing Caliban's War, and it said "Preorder"! http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com !

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Uh, it looks imgur ate my reply. So, next book is planned for this June!!!! OMG:D

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Foundation series was one of my earliest non-action-packed Sci-Fi series' I read. Really opened up the genre possibilities to me.

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I just started reading this the other day. I'm so excited to finally be reading it after all I've heard over the years.

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Definitely underrated, probably due to the lack of action. We wouldn't have Dune or Ender's Game without it, though.

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It took me a little bit to get into it, but damn its a great trilogy! I wasn't really a fan of the 2 books after that though

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geh. Asimov's short stories have and will always be better than his novels.

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One of the reasons I Robot was so good. Asimov is a glorious world-builder and conceptualist, but not so good of a storyteller.

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People like Asimov (sci-fi) and Tolkien (fantasy) were scholars first and foremost, and it shows. Amazing world builders and visionaries 1/2

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but mediocre story-tellers. They were quite revolutionary in their genre, despite that flaw, though.

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1- pretty much. his mediocre writing was saved by the fact that his ideas were so well constructed. I mean, he's totally one of the

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2- seminal figures of early sci-fi, but he sure didn't get there on writing prowess. that's why i couldn't stay with his longer stories

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I wish there were more posts like this one, I'm always down for a couple new reading selection suggestions.

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The powered armour 'set'. Starting with Starship Troopers. It's radically different from the (supposed parody) movie.

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You people are wonderful.

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Altered Carbon (and the 2 sequel), The Dervish House, and the Revelation Space series by Reynolds. Oh and Iain M Banks.

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You people are wonderful.

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Go through the Hugo & Nebula awards.

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Anything/everything by Heinlein.

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I'll be looking into his works shortly.

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I need to read a lot more of these. Proud to say I've read Dune though.

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One of my favorite series. I have read a lot of other books by the authors above, but not all of these. Need to get on that...

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Dune is the LOTR of scifi

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I was surprised how many of these I have read. Dune, Stranger, HHGttG, and Ender's game.

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I read The Left Hand of Darkness last year and really enjoyed it. Going to read more of Le Guin this year.

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Haven't read her books, but her short stories are pretty unconventional.

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It's also a good trilogy...what? There are only three books. No, there are only three books.

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Dune is goddamn amazing. I could never get into the sequels though.

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Ughhh. But it's philosophy and religion and morality, and (some) sexuality and the way science and politics affect them. So good.

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I like some of the sequels even more, God Emperor is my favorite book of all time

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I have not read the prequels by his son, though. I've heard they don't do Frank Herbert's books justice.

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Brian's writing is definitely not as good as Franks, the plot isn't bad and some of Duncan's training scenes are dope though

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Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune are a must read. Read God Emperor too if you want the conclusion of the Golden Path.

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There is no conclusion to the golden path! thats the point! humanity cannot be trapped in patterns.

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First book also defined the world, which was almost as amazing as the storyline.Sequels feel like written by someone else (or without drugs)

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I was surprised when I finished Messiah, seemed like very little happened. Children and God Emperor were good.

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I can't yet get through children of dune, but I felt like Messiah meshed with the story perfectly.

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It sounds a bit dry

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I cannot let this pass un-upvoted, good sir. That was punderful.

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I read Dune and thought, "This is great but the main characters are assholes." and that has made me not want to read anymore....

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It took me 2 months to read through the 4th book in thatbseries, and I regret doing it. LOTR took me 3, glorious weeks.

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But that's exactly why you should continue with Dune Messiah. Dune is basically incomplete without it.

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Yeah it's pretty down to earth in that everyone at the top is some kind of sociopath.Even fairly innocent Paul hardens the hell up fast.

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"Hardens" might be a bit generous. The whole time he's like, "I can use these savages to retake my throne." Which is...well bad.

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Hm, I suspect I should go back and re-read the original. I will admit it has been about ten years or so.

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I didn't get that feeling. also: consider his circumstances.

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I understand the circumstances. If I couldn't read his thoughts and perspective I would have thought he was cool. You don't have to agree.

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When does one consider one's self to be "through" Dune? After the first book? The first 4? All his books? The Collabs? His son's books?

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(I've read the first three, had to tap out after Children Of Dune)

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The first 6 written by Frank Herbert. Although the first novel is the best.

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All books by Frank, add in Hunters/Sandworms if you want the main story finishing. Also the Butlerian Jihad trilogy is good, I think.

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I finished the main series with Hunters/Sandworms, but Hunters and Chalterhouse seemed like "filler" books in the series.

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That's often the way with trilogies/quadrilogies though. Middle books can be that way.

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Out of all the BJH/KJA books I liked Paul of Dune and Winds of Dune best. Still nowhere near Frank's level, though.

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Yeah, even at their best they're pale shadows of the original master. But I like having more stories to read, even if they're a bit ropey.

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I read the first Butlerian Jihad book. Should go back to that, kind of forgot about it. Haven't thought about Dune in a while.

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No HG Wells? Do you even SciFi bro?

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At least there's no Jules Vern

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No Jules Verne either? What gives?

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Seriously. Or Jules Verne. Those two guys INVENTED sci-fi.

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Yeah!

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No Cicero's 'Dream of Scipio' or Plato's 'Atlantis'? Do you even Archaeo-SciFi bro?

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Atlantis was real, man.

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Wells and Verne shaped sci-fi, but none of their books did it standing on their own. It was the abundance of contribution a they made.

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Also no John Wyndham (Day of the Triffids, The Midwich Cuckoos, The Chrysalids, etc...)

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Thank you

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No Shakespeare , "The Tempest"?? Can you even...

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Tempest was straight up fantasy yo, do you even genre-distinguish bro?

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Lovecraft.

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The Time Machine is one of those books I never stop enjoying.

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Really? It's his only book i am incapable of finishing for some reason.

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Aaaah. That one really takes me back.

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I honestly don't like HG Wells books. I thought about putting him in there, but it was a list of my favorite genre shapers.

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Quite right. Those saying "what about MY favourites": make your own list. Or humbly suggest additions ;-)

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Ray Bradbury? I'm disappoint.

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Well you didn't phrase you title like "here's some mid-period sci-fi I like", you set the challenge of "DO YOU EVEN SCI FI BRO!?"

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No Frankenstein? Do you even Proto-SciFi bro?

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Speaking of, does anyone else find it cool that SF novels and computer programming were not only both invented by women, but that those 1/2

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two women were indirectly connected to each other? (Via Lord Byron: Ada Lovelace's father, and host to the Shelleys when she wrote F.) 2/2

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Yeh, that is pretty damn cool! Didn't know they were related though. Shame they never really seem to get the credit they deserve...

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No L. Ron Hubbard? Do you even Pseudo-SciFi bro?

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There is a very real lack of Neuromancer on this list. Gibson invented cyberpunk.

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This has been on my to-read list forever. Cyberpunk possibly my favorite sub-genre.

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I always recommend Sprawl Trilogy, and I always get thanks when they finish! I heart cyberpunk. Anyone else waiting for Cyberpunk 2077?

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Yes! The game is going to take a long time to develop though. Still, I have Deus Ex to fill that hole :)

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Try Mars: War Logs, if you haven't. And yeah, Adam Jensen makes cybernetics seckseh. ❤

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Just searched it up. Looks interesting. Will defs try it out.

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Gibson gets way less credit than he deserves. Meaning he never gets any credit and he should get tons.

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Welcome to the struggle of Canadian authors

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Fuck yeah he did

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He's the reason the term otaku is in the common English vernacular. That's pretty huge.

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And the word cyberspace

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Checking in. Yes, everybody read Neuromancer if you haven't yet.

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If you like Gibson and Neuromancer, read Snow Crash

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And by the same author, definitely read The Diamond Age. Anathem if you like more philisophical SF.

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+1 for someone else having read anathem

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^ This. I still reread the trilogy every couple of years.

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To be fair, OP said that they shaped Sci-Fi. Cyberpunk is a separate, though related, genre. I will agree that people should read Gibson.

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That's the first time I've ever heard that, and I've been into sci-fi for 35 years. You just might be dealing with an opinion, not a fact.

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Discovered Neuromancer a few years ago. Immediately read it again 6 times in a row.

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and the internet ruined it

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I honestly preferred Mona Lisa Overdrive to Neuromancer, and I feel like Gibson was quickly outclassed by people doing what he did, better.

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One of my professors at uni met him in a coffee shop, he lives in my city. Pretty shy in person.

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Glad it's on there now. I just finished the Sprawl trilogy and I was worried it wouldn't be on there until I clicked 'more.'

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And Snow Crash

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Sorry. Snow Crash is tolerable and imaginative, even entertaining in parts, but it's just not on Neuromancer's level. Upvote for you, though

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Neuromancer may have come first, but Show Crash is by far the more interesting read.

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I don't know if you're confused or just suggesting another author but Snow Crash was written by Neal Stephenson. Not Gibson.

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yes, i know. i read everything both of them write. Stephenson just published, 'seveneves'.

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I know. It's similar to the genre and really good too.

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When you read ender's game, read Speaker for the Dead. It is depressing how many people do not follow up.

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Never managed to make it through Speaker for the Dead. I've enjoyed every book after though, as well as the Shadow books.

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It's VERY different. I like both series for entirely different reasons.

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I read the whole sage. It gets weird.

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I would say you really need to read all 3 of the Speaker books to fully appreciate how EG impacted Ender in the long run.

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Ender's Game was only a novella at first. Card rewrote it into a full novel specifically because he wanted to use the Ender character (1)

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for Speaker of the Dead. I've read 11 books in the series, most of the comics, and am starting on the prequels. I actually really dig (2)

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all the philosophical stuff in Xenocide and Children of the Mind. The formics are really awesome in those books as well. Shadows in (3)

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Flight was brilliant as well, the most recent book in the Shadow Saga, parallel to Ender's saga. Sci-Fi rules!

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I can't wait for Shadow's Alive.

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This. Actually read all of them, the two arcs (enders and Earths) both lead to some awesome social commentary.

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Bean is my favorite protagonist of any book ever

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Right up there with Thomas Covenant for me.

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speaker for the dead, and xenocide, and children of the mind. And the series on Bean. Honestly out of them all ender's game 1/2

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is one of the worst. all super great books though

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Recently bought the whole set. Looking forward to finally getting back home to read them.

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By "whole set", you mean all 10? (Just checked wiki - they're up to 16! I forgot a couple and didn't know about the prequels!)

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Crap. I've gotta go get six more books >_<

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Speaker for the Dead is really good. Really really really good, even.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

Card's initial intent was to write Speaker, not Ender's game.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ender's Shadow is also really good!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My brother loved ender's game, but actually preferred bean's series.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I prefer to go Game -> Shadow -> either Speaker for the Dead or up until Shadow of the Giant, then the Speaker for the Dead series.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Before continuing the books, probably. The prequel trilogy is fun, too.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No one ever ends says that about Xenocide, even though it's amazing.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's because it's so vastly different. I started but never finished it.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not only that, but also read Ender's Shadow. Just as good too. (Author's politics set aside.)

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The author's politics hardly show up in 'these' stories unless you're really looking for them actively.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

authors views start showing in Speaker and even more in Xenocide. I mean we got scientific proof of immortal soul

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I thought he meant his views on LGBT and gay marriage. Stuff like "souls" you can find in many works of science fiction.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've tried like 3 times. Haven't been able to make it through the prologue.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

DON'T STOP THERE!! READ XENOCIDE!! IT'S THE BEST ONE!! SHIT!!!

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

Read that one, and got through a thrid of the next when I stopped reading it. Story just bogged down.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My tattoo reads "Speaker for the Dead". It's for that book. My favorite of all time.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And the bean books are fucking great reads too.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Heck yes. IMO, Speaker for the Dead is one of the top 5 sci fi novels of all time. A really deep and fantastic read that makes you think.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You da real MVP.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I prefer the bean books

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I prefer the Shadow sequels to the ender's game sequels. Ender's Shadow especially (wept like a baby at Bean's quote to the fleet)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I also enjoyed Ender's Shadow

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Honestly I enjoyed the Shadow series more than any other part of the original novels, most of Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide didn't (1/2)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

do it for me, although I've always worried that it's just because I don't speak Portuguese...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But avoid xenocide it's not that good

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I only liked the concept for the books. More so than the books themselves. Card's short stories were more interesting to me

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

His short stories certainly are underrated. Would highly recommend Maps in a Mirror to anyone who likes Ender's Game.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Speaker is awful only read Enders

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My dad is such a nerd he named me Andrew after Ender. And he only told me this after I noted in conversation that Speaker was my fav book.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Its important to distinguish the enders shadow series also. Equally good. Equally different. As important.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All of those books are good. Except Xenocide. It took me like 4 tries to get through that book. I prefer the Bean series, though.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Speaker for the dead is my favorite out of all the enders series and out of all of beans series.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

For anyone who is too lazy for a library card or too poor to buy the book, PDF: http://rhetoffear.pbworks.com/f/SpeakerForTheDead.pdf

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wehn you read Speaker for the Dead, read Xenocide. When you read Xenocide, read Children of the Mind.....

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There are 15 books in the series, I am looking forward to them all. Just finished Enders Shadow. % books in 10 to go!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

* 5 not %

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Speaker for the dead feels like he just took a story he had already written and made Ender the main character to capitalize on his success.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Actually he wanted to use Ender in the SOTD story because he thought it was a good fit, then he rewrote Enders Game into a full novel.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That makes sense. So he had a good short story and blended more of the speaker crap into it. Makes perfect sense!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's kind of the opposite, oddly. Ender's Game was a story he'd already written that he'd adapted to be a prequely for Speaker.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh my GOSH speaker for the dead was so astoundingly good. Blew my mind a little, so different to ender's game.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Am I the only die hard fan who didn't think the movie was too bad? They did what they could within the format

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The movie was fine, it tells a different story to the book but its still a good story. Like a decent cover version of a classic song

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It was okay, but too fast paced. They needed to slow it down, let you think about what was going on.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Don't bother with Xenocide or Children of the Mind unless you're really into philosophical digressions. Ender's Shadow, however, is amazing.

11 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 6

I loved both :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I really enjoyed all 4! But I like philosophy.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Xenocide is the greatest work of Philosophical Science fiction written in my lifetime... It's a masterpiece

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

I still found Xenocide pretty good. Children of the Mind was kind of loopy and you read it just to finish the series.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

sadly, before I read xenocide I knew that O.S.Card is militant christian so the philosophy aspects of those books were tainted by it for me

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I loved the Ender series and the Shadow series, for entirely different reasons. Shadows in Flight was terrible, though.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Speaker is probably my favorite in the series. Read the four core novels following ender. Shit gets so crazy

11 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 3

Agreed, Speaker is my favorite. But now back to tracing wood grain lines in the floor.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm having flashbacks of tree animals and Space China.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Space china was amazing

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Speaker was great but xenocide was imho the best-writteb

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

It becomes super soap opera-y.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Yeah. Especially in the last book. I don't like that very much. All women love Ender. I mean he IS awesome, but it's a bit too much.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think love and loss is a good finale, I mean he avoided it for millenias for the most part. Solid end.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I just read Ender's Game. what should I read next? it seems there are a lot of heated differing opinions.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

If you read Game, you should read Ender's Shadow. Same time frame, different perspective, way better. More awesome in every way.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

will do.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Depends on your preference. I would say the shadow arc is closer in style and subject, but the Ender arc obviously has Ender

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

thanks!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ender's Shadow

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Speaker for the Dead is the sequel. I'd recommend that.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Speaker For the Dead... Then Xenocide... If you enjoy Philosophical Science Fiction... Otherwise stop now

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ender in Exile, follows directly after Ender game. Was written recently and is relatively unknown.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Abandon ship! Seriously, quit now while you're ahead, it only takes like a book and a half for the whole thing to go to shit

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

For fuck's sake, that doesn't make the books bad by default.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Who said it made the books bad? I said buy it used, so the bigot / racist author gets no money.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

yes, I intend to. not sure why you were downvoted tho.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The mormons / bigots don't like being called out I guess.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The Ender series goes into the future, and becomes more philosophical. The Shadow series is current and immediate, and is more action.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

thanks!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I personally do not recommend going any further than that in the series. Those two are great though.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

Speaker is the best, but they all are definitely worth a read IMO. Xenocide especially, not to mention all of the Ender's Shadow series

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Xenocide is pretty damn good. Children of the Mind is kind of loopy but finishes up the series.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Ender's Game, Then Speaker for the Dead, then Xenocide. STOP THERE. then read the shadow series.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I would say that Children of the Mind is ok, but definitely nothing after the Shadow Series.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I love Children of the Mind!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Me too! Everyone in this thread is hating on it, but it's definitely worth a read IMO

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Children of the Mind is meh, it is not so terrible that you shouldn't even look at it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Children of the Mind is okay, I guess. I just don't think its worth the time. Maybe after the shadow series.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's worth it mostly just to know how it ends.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Try to find it used, so you don't support the crazy bigot author

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 8

His crazy is exaggerated and books present the best version of their author. If you want the real Card, look past him to his work.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Agreed!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Hoo boy, is that true. Just look at Wyrms or A Planet Called Treason or the Homecoming series. Good reads for the most part but 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

when have that little peak beneath the surface...more than a little scary. 2/2

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's weird; the books have very humanist messages. Many of his statements clearly do not.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 4

Depends which books you read, he writes a lot of mormon fiction as well, believes in some really radical crazy things.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead in particular. It's hard to read those and think "dehumanizing some people is still okay tho"

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Really sucked, I read Ender's Game as a young gay kid, maybe 9 or 10ish? found out how fucked he was, was disappointing.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Or - my religion needs to overthrow the government, or his anti-women stuff.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Looks like the downvote fairies are out in force, or a lot of mormons.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Try to find it used, don't support a racist / bigoted & religious zealot author.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 15

I'm a gay sci-fi fan from Greensboro, NC (where Card lives). Fuck that guy. He was an active supporter of the gay marriage ban here in 2012

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And so, because he disagrees with your lifestyle, he is a bad guy? I mean, I support gay rights, but I also think everyone deserves respect.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's one thing to disagree, it's another to advocate and participate in the restriction of a person's rights because of those beliefs.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just like advocating and participating in buying the book secondhand, so the money he has the right to does not go to him. See what I mean?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

And the Mormon / bigot down vote fairies are out, all my posts are negative now.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Agreed!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Or actually do your research and realize he isn't racist or bigoted. http://www.hatrack.com/misc/Quotes_in_Context.shtml

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 3

+1... It drives me fucking insane that out of context quotes killed this guy. Just because he's Mormon and disagrees with other people...

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

Thanks for commenting this, this helps.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Actually, he is a bigot (I can't comment of the racism part). He lives in Greensboro, NC (where I lived until a few years ago) and he 1/?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

wrote a very homophobic article for The Rhinoceros Times (a local indy paper that I just learned went out of business is '13). I can't 2/?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

link to it because the website is gone. When he wrote the article, NC was a battle ground for gay civil rights w/ Amendment One in 2012 3/?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So, your point is that he's just a homophobe? Yeah, still not going to support him. And yes, I read the link. He wants to deny people rights

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

And he has the democratic right to do so. Freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. Buying a good book that doesn't reflect his views won't

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

encourage them. Trust me when I say that the books in no way reflect his political views, and buy the book. He deserves that much, at least.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I never implied he didn't have a right to his views. He does. I just strongly disagree with him. I am choosing to exercise my right to (1)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also, I don't understand why you would think it would make any difference if his views were written in this particular book or not.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

agreed. I'm annoyed I bought it on Kindle before I found out about this.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 7

Yep, why I didn't see the movie, and I advocate others not to buy it new.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

I read an entire article of his in a local indy paper where he lives (Greensboro, NC - The Rhino Times, it went out of business in 2013) 1/?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Everything was very "in context" and it was very clear what his thoughts were on gay people. He supported the proposed ban on gay 2/?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Speaker for the Dead is a very different book than Ender's Game. Still very good, but don't expect it to be the same as the first.

11 years ago | Likes 253 Dislikes 0

To me that was the best part. I was in awe of Card's ability to switch gears so well.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Very different in the sense that it is easy to imagine really enjoying one and not caring much for the other, and which varying by reader.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

"Speaker" is better than the first, methinks. It's one of my most favourite books at all.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Ender's Shadow was my favorite, I think.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I haven't read that yet, but it's in my bookcase. One day I will get to it. :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You should, it's incredible how different a story it is just by being told from another perspective

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Children of The Mind is just weird. The series goes in a totally different direction than you'd expect

11 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 0

Children of the Mind is my favorite of the sequels actually. To each their own

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Urg I'm reading that right now. At this point ik the series has turned so differently but I prefer to finish what I started all those years.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Did teach me a reasonable amount of Portugese, though.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Card uses a lot of Portugese for some reason. The shadow series has the Hegemony headquarter in Brazil

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That book is the reason I know that I could comfortably visit Portugal or Brazil with just my high school Spanish

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's where I stopped. It was a good read, but I couldn't see it growing as a story from there.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

And yet it does keep growing. Or ... what's the opposite of growing? Shrivelling up? Yeah it shrivels up.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yep it just went off the rails with Children of the Mind, I couldn't get through it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I struggled... I think Orson Scott Card did too.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Same for me. It just got too weird

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well that is the last one. And the shadow series isn't weird until Shadows in Flight

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So is the rest of the series not a continuation of it? It splits off into 2 other storylines doesn't it? So many Q's!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

? That's the last book. Enders Game, (newly added Ender in Exile), Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. They're all good.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah, but there's a whole other series he's written around it.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Then there's the Bean (Enders Shadow) series of the events that unfold on Earth after battle school and tell of Peter Wiggin as well.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

A much better story than Ender's, in my humble opinion.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Ender's Game has been my favorite book for a long time but Dune is a very close second. Also, Neuromancer should be on here.

11 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 3

Agreed! Neuromancer should def be here. How about Flowers for Algernon? Let's make it into a top 20 instead of a top ten...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Also 1984 and/or Brave New World.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I always thought those two would be boring and were only liked because they're classics. I read them recently, and I was completely wrong

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Orwell was actually a linguist, you can see some of his theoretical work at play in the whole Newspeak phenomenon in 1984.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fuck yes, Neuromancer. That book gave birth to cyberpunk. Why is it not on this list? D:

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I've never understood the hype over Enders Game. I read it in high school and it bored the crap out of me.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah I read it in high school too, wasn't a fan. I was more into John Ringo and David Weber back then.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You were too old for it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

stranger in a strange land is one of my top sci-fi favorites

11 years ago | Likes 388 Dislikes 5

Me too. I've read it at least 6 times already and never get tired of it

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Grok in fullness and may you never thirst.

11 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

Starship Troopers. Heinlein's best ever.

11 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 2

I get mad every time I see that terrible, terrible disaster of a movie that ruined the book

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Agreed. Douchey director read half the book then decided to make a movie out of it to trash the author.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I always thought, after seeing it, that Verhoeven read the blurb on the back of a paperback copy and said, "Ah-ha! Here's my script!"

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I was reading this on the train and some Hassidic guy came up to me and started telling me how he loved it when he was my age.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

This book really made me thing about what humor is.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I read it again every year, and still waiting isn't full.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Share water.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Never thirst.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've never liked it. I don't try to dissuade people from liking it, but it didn't resonate with me for a second.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I still have my duct-tape bound copy given to me by my best friend and read, lo, these 100 times.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Had to read it for school. I've never hated a book more than that pile of excrement. (seriously, I couldn't stand it..)

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Citizen Of The Galaxy is one of mine

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I really like Heinlein, but Stranger isn't even in my top 10 of heinlien stories

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Surprised no one has mentioned Have Spacesuit, Will Travel. Fluffy, but ripping yarn.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I just saw Jake saying "grok" on Adventure Time, it made me so happy.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Some film had a car park shot with a bumper sticker that read "I grok Spock". I was instantly impressed.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That book was really fucking weird

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

In my opinion Mr. Heinlein is the J.R.R. Tolken of Science fiction

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nah, Frank Herbert gets that title. Only author ever to rival Tolkein's world-building. Vastly prefer reading Heinlein over both though.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I love Herbert.. But he worked in three dimensions... Heinlein worked in four :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How much Herbert have you read? Things started getting a bit too metaphysical for me along about Children Of Dune.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I read most. My favorite was The Godmakers... It was amazing

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I grok

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A canticle for Leibowitz.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

by Walter M. Miller, Jr.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It bored me to no end... well, there was an end in the end.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I couldn't stand it. It had so much potential, but morphed into a swingers cult. I get what he was going for, but not a fan.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Bored me to tears, couldn't finish it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

It was such an influential novel. It always surprised me. It was never made into a movie. I guess it would be difficult to do so.

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I just started reading it last week!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Love everything RAH, but my money is on The Cat Who Walks Though Walls

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I always wanted to know more about the people of the planet that the Martians destroyed.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My favorite book since I was 13

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Really? I liked Starship Trooper better.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Grats on having taste.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Mine too. I came to the comments just to say, I didn't know there's a movie..? I'm going to go find that now

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I loved Citizen of the Galaxy and Stranger in a Strange Land. I re-read them during my divorce they helped in a strange way

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What about Time Enough For Love?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't think I've read it, added to my list of books to read though. I really enjoy Heinlein

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I started to read it, but I dislike Heinlein's writing style.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right. Also why I'm obsessed with wincest and cats 16 years later :/

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I grok you.

11 years ago | Likes 71 Dislikes 0

Get a pool, you two.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

So weird - My Mom told me last night that if she ever got a tattoo, it would be "GROK".

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is my favorite.

11 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 0

All I can think of when reading this comment, is David Friedman, who always praises this one

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Best Heinlein, hands down.

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I probably agree with that. Really liked Starship Troopers too, but Moon probably the better book. Look at OP's name though.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That and Starship Troopers had pretty big impact on my world-view.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Me too, I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress every few months or so. That ending tho

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Wrote my Masters thesis around The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Truly the pinnacle of RAH's craft

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The two of them are my faves. I couldn't pick just one. TMIAHM is more fun, but SIASL made me think so much more.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It is being made into a movie. Bryan Singer working on it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I read the script, it's good, but they Ender's Game'd it a little, though.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Came here to say this

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

mine too.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Has anyone read "Time enough for love" ? My favorite Heinlein. Lazarus Long. The man who was too lazy to fail

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I didnt like the lazarus books nearly as much as the stand-alone work.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should just get used to the idea

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The whole Lazurus Long series is amazing... Number Of The Beast, The Cat Who Walks Through Walls... My favorite author!!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Awesome story. I couldn't help but feel that Whedon cribbed bits of Long's personality for Malcolm Reynolds, even if subconsciously.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

The Lazarus Long books were okay, but definitely on the creepy end of the Heinlein spectrum... "Let's have sex with my juvenile xx clones!"

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

This and a massive Oedipus complex surfaces

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

never heard of it

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Still need to track down a copy - I blitz through Starship Troopers and The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress every so often, both superb.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Try "The Number of the Beast"

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That one seemed almost satirical to me... then I learned it was meant to be.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's genius

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

One of my favorites. The other is The Cat Who Walks Through Walls.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Masterpiece, that

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's hauntingly beautiful

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Personally I prefer "Citizen of the Galaxy" by Heinlein.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

I just bought this book used, I need to put it at the top of my list to read.

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i like to read. i will order this right now

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Might want to check out The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as well.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

just ordered foundation, forever war, and Citizen of the Galaxy. after these i will try the moon is a harsh mistress

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As a soldier/veteran, Starship Troopers and Forever War are both very important to me. Citizen also very enjoyable, but did not speak to me.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Title comes from Sophocles' 'Oedipus at Colonus' if you were ever interested, it's a great play, far better than Oedipus Rex in my opinion.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Keep trying to get my boyfriend to read it and he says he dislikes the way Heinlein structures his writing and can't get into it :|.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's also one of my favorite songs by Leon Russell.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've tried reading but it's just too sexist. Even for 1961. There's plenty of older fiction where women were respected even if diminished.

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The sexism wouldn't bother me if there was an actual plot, but the rest is just wanky, tired ideals that haven't been interesting for 40+yrs

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

i agree. those books are dated in their views, it is something i have to accept with the time period they came from

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

This. Or take the view that the "silly girls" is merely a view from the male characters and let the reader make up their own mind.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Then he did Moon is a Harsh Mistress which puts women on top of all the hierarchy.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Not only sexist, but the Muslim character is nicknamed Stinky and basically a horrible caricature. I couldn't finish it.

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But have you read Friday? Still Heinlein, but 1982. Female protag, pretty awesome novel.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

No, I may have to try that. I wanted context for "grok" so Stranger was my first (and last) Heinlein.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You should definitely try Friday. I didn't find any sexism from the author.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Would you consider Moon or Puppet Masters sexist? Both had solid supporting female characters.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Didn't read them so I couldn't say. Worth a look?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, recommend without reservation. Puppet Masters semi-mindless sci-fi horror. Enjoyed both, personally.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Both are initially only introduced because the main character finds them hot, but they go on to be far more than sex objects (2/2)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm not saying either is carrying the torch of women's rights or anything, just that both have great female characters in the #2 role. (1/2)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's actually like 2 different books.

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I remember reading something somewhere about this being a result of a mental condition he was suffering from. Forget the details.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

For how many of his books I've read, I know embarrassingly little about the man himself.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

agreed

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yeah. First half was good. Second half got pretty wtf-ey and stupid.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Too much Jesus allegory

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Funny you say that, I put down Stranger in a Strange Land about halfway through and never picked it back up again...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Became a platform for Heinlein to soapbox. It's not a bad soapbox at times, but it can get...weird.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That was worst part for me. I though I didn't mind most Heinlein soapboxes, but he really went full retard with that one.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Aye, I agree with the general unity portion but found the parallels he was trying to draw with Christianity rather uncanny valley.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I tried reading it years ago but never got into it. Worth trying again twenty years later?

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

i think so. i didn't read it till about four years ago. if you do, let me know what you think

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ok. I think I still have it at my parents'. Bought it in a bookstore in the time before the internet. Maybe I'll get it on the kindle.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I am a pretty rabid consumer of sci-fi (and non-sci-fi), and I count Stranger in a Strange Land among the worst books I've ever read.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks. I'm busy enough as it is, so I don't want to take time away from family and other things. Netflix is not going to watch itself.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

meh. The first half was good, second half was Heinlein having a preachy (more than he usually is) philosophical circlejerk with himself.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Ha. Good to know!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Haha, not to mention awkward and surprisingly not fun to read carnie threesome in a hot tub I guess?

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think that was the bit that made me put the book down and give up on it. It was just so embarrassingly bad I couldn't take it anymore.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

omg same!

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Dune is an amazing book as is the series.

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Dune always spoke to me as an allegory about oil and the Middle East.

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agreed. still the best books I've ever had the pleasure of reading. You're spot on tho

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Love the original and have read a couple times, but the 2nd and 3rd get a little too dense and tedious for me! Still love the universe tho.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The first couple were good, but the quality dropped fairly fast after that I feel.

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Do you mean quality as in cohesion with the original vision or writing style? I felt the sequels after God emperor drifted off the mark, but

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I also think of the universe building aspect. The honored matres were weird, but their backstory was epic. Supposedly, Herbert outlined the

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Whole thing himself.

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Yeah - the first one is a masterpiece. Sequels quality varies a ton. I thought Chapterhouse was the best of 'em.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

first 3 amazing. the son took over and he is not the writer his father was.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The original series, or the prequels his son wrote?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Original

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Good, because the prequels DO NOT EXIST.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Honestly, I kinda liked the prequels. They are a different animal, but on their own merits they are not bad books.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I figure I might read them anyway, just for he hell of it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I read the first 3, and gave up. According to them, a lot of back story happened in the same year, and flat out contradicts later stuff. :P

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hyperion is fantastic, and the sequel just as good.

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And then make sure to read Endymion and Rise of Endymion, although you might want to take some time off in between because minor retcons.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That reminds me I need to finish the series. Been listening to the first 3 audiobooks so far. Good stuff.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Hyperion - Dan Simmons audio book full you tube.com/watch?v=kkTfOkw9NLc

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

the problem is they really aren't two books, last 1/4 of hyperion is in Fall, then there's a novella of a sequel

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

All of the sequels actually

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Hyperion felt like it was pushing its setting too hard for me to enjoy it. Example: Call them trees, not gymnosperms for god's sake.

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dunno, I liked that. you never know what language mutations happen over centuries - and this is a future future book

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

See, that's a point of view I wish I'd had at the time.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Maybe the awesome writing has been lost in translation, but for me it was just an ordinary SF book. Not even close to a top10 for me

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I read the both books over two very long flights, and they were really intriguing to me. What are your top ten (if i may ask)?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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I laughed way too hard at that

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I read the second one on my ipad over a long flight, it was pretty much the least boring flight of my life.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Oh man, I can only imagine. I've read the series a few times and that would be an awesome way to read that one the first time. GREAT books!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah! I don't sleep well on planes because of how big I am, but the book was worth staying up.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Endymion is also amazing. I enjoyed nearly more than Hyperion.

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I was wondering if I should continue on to Endymion

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, please do. It is incredible.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Is that part of the series or a different series? I'll google it in my free time!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Different Series. With some similar characters. .

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I read the books about once every two years, they are my favorite.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I'm the same with the Ender's Game quartet, and sometimes single books like red october and such.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The Shrike is my muse

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

While Foundation will always be my favorite, the Cantos earned itself a rather nice spot on my shelf.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

+1 for this. Read al four of them, every once in a while

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I do the same, every few years I read through all 4 again and always find something interesting and new I didn't wrap my head around before!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Can't tell you how awesome it is to hear someone else say they do this, as an AVID sci-fi reader, still my absolute all-time fav series!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

neat!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Whoa, super cool - thanks for sharing! Their battle once he's been given the powers over spacetime in the metallic skin is unforgettable!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And the two following as well. Though they're a bit different.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Which ones?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Endymion and Rise of Endymion.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

thanks!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Endymion and Rise of Endymion. They're very different, but very cool in their own right. There's another character with Shrike-like powers.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

On the list!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Reading Fall of Hyperion right now actually. Just great storytelling.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

wooo!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Haha enjoy I miss my first read :')

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Man, you said it. The first time I read that series honestly changed my life in some weird, nebulous way. What an amazing series.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Same here. Have a good journey, friend !

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hyperion is my favorite book. The sequel was just OK. I would have been happier if Hyperion were a standalone novel.

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Hyperion is my favorite book, period, but I love the overall Cantos as well. Check out Illium/Olympos if you haven't yet!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I didn't like Illium

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Or perhaps a larger novel, merging the two?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think you misunderstood me. I said that I didn't like Hyperion's sequel The Fall of Hyperion.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What I meant was that Hyperion should've been longer and wrapped up it's tale - instead of the Fall. Personally, I enjoyed both novels.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Agree that Fall was not as good, but Hyperion kind of left a lot of loose ends hanging.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I normally hate cliffhanger endings. Hyperion would be the only thing I can think of. IMO it wouldn't matter what'd happen after that

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I didn't care about any of the characters.

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Really? I loved Silenus! He was so endearing, kind, and caring.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Asshole cunt peepee fuck. Goddamn poo poo.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Such poetry.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

haha, I found a few to be tedious, but they all were decently written.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

There's a sequel? I just finished Hyperion, man am I excited!

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Oh my goodness. Dude, jump in and enjoy. My honest-to-god favorite book series, and I'm a voracious reader. Concludes 1st one very nicely.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

OK, so, character A (adult) rescues character B (12yo). he essentially raises and takes care of her. queue awkward sex scene. i'm done.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

go go go!

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Haha you took the words right out of my mouth!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

i'm largely disappointed with rise of endymion so far, but i'm not finished with it... things get weird after fall of hyperion

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

4 books make up the saga. Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, Endymion, Rise of Endymion.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can like what you like, go on, enjoy it. But Hyperion was so bad...so bad. I've seen 7th grade pass-around stories with better structure

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

I found it mostly tedious also. The whole thing seems to hang on the enlightened phrase 'choose again'. Bleh

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

I disagree.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

If you like Hyperion I can also warmly recommend Ilium and Olympos by the same writer. Blends sci fi and greek together with Shakespeare.

11 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

Disclaimer: My favourite books.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'll try those out!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yeah those two books are so unique Dan Simmons is fucking brilliant all his books are worth reading (not only sci fi)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ilium was absolutely fantastic, but, in my opinion, Olympos is a travesty.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Ilium, definitely a pro-read. Olympos... I had to check to see if it was by the same author! Unmitigated rubbish.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I dunno man. I've got some grips with the ending.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Too happy?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

*Spoilers ahead*

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

For me, I felt like he had all these powerful cosmic forces ready to converge, then they just backed off.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Responded past the spoiler wall then.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The conversation with the dolphins on Maui Covenant will always give me chills. "Do you miss the whales?" /MISS SHARK/MISS SHARK/MISS SHARK

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

The consul's tale about MC was the best of the bunch IMO.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I love those parts but I hate the rest. I'm like half way through the 2nd book and it's so hard to keep going sometimes.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think the MC sequence was originally a short story. Maybe his short fiction??

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I honestly loved all but Kassad's tale (which I still like). Some of the New Bushido history stuff got a little tedious.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Silenus' was so damn tedious too tho

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I love Kassad's part for the really solid sci-fi action sequences and trippy time-bending love story going on. Priest's might be my fav.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think Lamia's tale is my favorite. It's straight-up Space Noir, if that's even a thing.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The first story about the priest and his encounter with the Shrike was one of the best pieces of writing i have ever read.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Couldn't agree more! STILL my favorite book because of the magic and shivers that went down my spine from that and the colonel's stories.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'll have to re-read to remember that specific section but I'm sure you aren't wrong. To the library!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The labyrinth scene I believe.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Part One, The Priest's Tale: "The Man who Cried God". Best portion of the entire first 2 Hyperion books in my opinion :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh wait, is this where the priest visits that one creepy village?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yup. The one with the cruciform villagers who later take the priest to the underground caverns where he encounters the shrike

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well...some of the books that shaped the genre. These are my top 10 picks for classic sci-fi.

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This looks like the thread to name drop books into, so "Stand On Zanzibar", which is astonishing in both style and substance.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You better have put Asimov's Foundation series on the list - I now accept your list as valid! :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why no Neil Stephenson? >:O

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No such thing as free lunch. Same book named my cat, Pixel.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good list. Have read all but one. I'll take the hint

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

dune and enders game are my faves on that list. I think dune should be at the top

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Nothing from the lensman series? ;(

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2001:a space oddesea ?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Looks like some really good reads!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd also add "The Stars My Destination," it pretty much built the cyberpunk genre

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Yup. You can't do Godfathers of SciFi without including a Bester.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Epic Dune cover.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also, Joe Haldeman's The Forever War

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good list, but needs more Jules Verne.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Now do space opera. Always looking for more good space opera.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Stanislaw Lem, Man!

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I've read a little over half of these, but I really love Robert Heinlein! Great list! And glad that Left Hand of Darkness is here too!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thanks for the list. I am listening to Dune on audio and was just about to finish it and needed something new to start.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ahhhhhhhh...... to know that someone out there is a fellow Heinlein fanatic. Bless you, sir/madam.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I disagree that the book is better than the movie for Hitchhiker. It's just different. Just like the radio play & miniseries are each (1)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Different. Adams felt the story should change with each medium and was heavily involved in production until his death near the end of filmin

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

RIVERWORLD

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yes!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd like to make a case for "Frankenstein" by Mary Shelley

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I see you have an appropriate username for this :)

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

No vonnegutt? :(

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I feel like Hyperion is way too late of an arrival to fit into "shaped the genre" lists. Just my 2c ;P

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I really liked Nightfall. That is all.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This just gets my blood racing for No Man's Sky.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I know George R. R. Martin is famous for "A Song of Ice and Fire" but his start was SF. I recommend his "Thousand Worlds" series.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

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Arr, Tuf is one of the better sub-series.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Agreed. Loved that book.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've only read two of the stories, "A Beast for Norn" and "Guardians". In the anthology "Dreamsongs".

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What do you think about 2001? That's one of my favorites not on this list.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good list! Great username!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

If you haven't read the Destination Void Series, you really should.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The two of us have very similar favorite lists! +1 to you, sir!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dune is often said to be the pre- Star Wars Star Wars. The first one is the best, IMO. Also- HHG2tG is an amazing series.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good picks. I have read all of these. I'd add The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, and the Uplift Saga by David Brin, essential reads.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is basically a list of my favourite books - but some I have to go and buy tomorrow! Thanks OP!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You're doing the fnords' work, sir.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

John Steakley's "Armor" being absent from this list is a goddamn travesty.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's good, but not genre-shaping. It's almost Starship Troopers written from a different soldier's viewpoint.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Uh, the Foundation series is five books, with a prequel written after everything else. *pushes glasses higher onto face*

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Good list. Glad you included ringworld. I would add c s Lewis' space trilogy. sci fi before it was a genre

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and toolmaker koan isnt on here? so few people have read it i swear i sometimes think i might have just imagined it

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not to be critical, but there really should be some Lovecraft on this list. He was one of the first to write about aliens and how 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

vastly different their perspective must be from our own. "The Shadow out of Time" is an amazing example, and it was written before we 2/3

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

even had the technology to leave our own atmosphere.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1-2excellent choices, i would like to point out that HP Lovecraft's influence in both horror and science fiction. He invented Ancient aliens

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2-2, Brains in jars, demythologization of gods or godlike characters, and a few other classic concepts. still good choices. :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

no brain and brawn? to ride Pegasus? dragons of pern?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

What about Old Man's War

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson was also of similar vintage to Neuromancer and definitely hooked me on the more cyperpunk end of things.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No Jules Verne? Otherwise known as the Father Of Science Fiction? Sad face.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Going through this list was a riot! I have all these books on my shelf. Good list OP!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm a little sad no Vonnegut made this list, but glad to see Ringworld made the cut. :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please do more!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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i've only read the unabridged, and found it terribly long-winded.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good point, I think I'll do that.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Cheers. BTW, what made you pick Stranger and not TMIAHM (TANSTAAFL, etc.)?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I like TMIAHM more, but I feel that Stranger is the more iconic work.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I agree that Stranger seems more widely read and had a greater impact on society. But I personally liked TMIAHM far more, and would [1]

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

[2] recommend it to anyone who wants to read hard sci-fi or wants to have an introduction to Heinlein's works.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Once again, The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe is forgotten.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

These are good picks. I'm glad Hyperion is in there.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you like hard sci-fi check out The Quantum Thief written by Hannu Rajaniemi (PhD in mathmatical physics). It is amazing!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was a little sad not to see a few more really early works. My grandfather was the Editor/Creator of a Sci Fi magazine back in the day.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The early works are amazing, but they were all over the place. I consider those that came later the ones that really solidified (1/2)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

sci-fi into what it is today. (2/2)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I second all of these and add in Gateway by Frederik Pohl. Humanity finds FTL ships left by aliens but the ships only go preset places.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

OMFG, YES!!! Fantastic series!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Loved Gateway!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would have included “Rendezvous with Rama” but I suppose you only wanted to go with one title per author.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Correct. It actually pained me to not make another three or four Heinlein listings.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I see. It’s understandable though :)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Books 2 - 4 ruined that series for me. Loved book 1, book 2 was OK, but 3 & 4 just... no.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I only ever read the first one so I can’t comment on the other ones.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Once character (female) ends up having kids by 2 different men, then wants the kids to procreate.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

wat

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Lovecraft, Bradbury, Campbell, Smith, Brown, Bester, Van Vogt... Golden Age authors were doing it long before some of these who are newbies.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Tiger! Tiger! is a masterpiece. I am deeply in love with alfred bester

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Are you calling Lovecraft "sci-fi"?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Are you saying that "monsters who control the universe" isn't sci-fi? and horror? and mystery? and frikkin' awesome?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It is not particularly scientific, no.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Um. Stranger in a Strange Land is classic sci fi. What's so "scientific" about a man w/ powers? Your definition of sci-fi may be restricted.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and you would have to be the first person i've ever encountered who even knows who he is :)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's sad. I admit I came to him late - thanks to Babylon 5 naming a character after him, and for good reason.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

my mother stole tiger! tiger! of heroin addicted aunt's acid head boyfriend "Acid Jim", inside the jacket it says

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"THIS IS JIM'S BOOK" in 8 different colours of crayon. I love it dearly.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've read most of these(8/10), but I could name a bunch more. We have one book in common on our 10 book list posts /a/OSsnk

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Neuromancer is an amazing book! lol

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Agreed. We're only scratching the surface with these 10 good books lists though. Btw when I was a teenager I read the entire foundation line

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The foundation is part of a 28 book timeline. ;)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I feel like we're missing some Ron L Hubbard

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

I have BE and the Mission Earth dekology on my shelves. :)

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Was waiting for someone to bring up Battlefield Earth. My guilty guilty pleasure

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Fun reading, but just barely SF. Tricked up fantasy, really.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You like Stranger in Strange Land better than Have Spacesuit, Will Travel?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I think SiaSL is more iconic than better. And if we're talking better, than I'm voting Starship Troopers or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ah, I love HS,WT. It's a wonderful book. Starship Troopers is fairly excellent though. Agreed on SiaSL.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Heinlein is great. I like HSWT too, but SIASL is a classic for a reason. Time Enough 4 Love is close but there's only 1 RAH masterpiece.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How do you feel about The Forever War by Joe Haldeman?

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Haldeman! "There Is No Darkness" is one of my lifelong favourites.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I actually haven't read it. It's been recommended a lot. I really should.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Gonna add my "Yes" to these others, given that you enjoy all these books, I can almost guarantee you'll enjoy Forever War.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

First part of the book felt like it was written by a horny 14 year old. Then it got serious and turned into a really good story.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It's one of my favorites.. I should read it again sometime

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It wasn't my favorite book, but was an interesting counterpoint to Starship Troopers. Also, somewhat similar to Old Man's War by Scalzi

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What about Brave New world?

11 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 1

Wish I could give you more points

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Why did I have to look so far to find this?

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It deserves more recognition

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Huxley was amazing. It's incredible how creative some authors were back in the 1920s and 30s.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

BNW and 1984 are awesome, must reads, but both are more political fantasy than SF.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And 1984!?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Definitely my favorite sci-fi novel. Doesn't make sense that it's not on a list of books that shaped the genre :(

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I had to read it for AP lit in HS. Honestly enjoyed it

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Our class was supposed to read it sophomore year. Never got around to it so I just read it on my own. It was so amazing

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I love heinlien he is probably my favorite syfi author. First book of his I read was starship troopers

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I feel like this is a great list to give someone in 1988. In 2015, not so much. The idea of the singularity has so radically changed (1)

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 8

the rapture of the nerds was an interesting idea five or ten years ago but really who even bothers with it anymore? It's like cyberpunk.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

OP said, "books that shaped the genre"... so, yeah, of course they will be a bit older

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'd welcome a list of more recent/relevant books!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

what SF means that these, while still good stories, don't reflect the genre anymore. You need Stross, Egan, Nagata, and Vinge, just (2)

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

Who?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

You know, the modern masters of SF. The people who win Hugos and whose work influences everything else happening in the genre today.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Never heard of them. I'm behind on my reading, apparently. Never gave much credence to the awards, always seemed mostly political

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

OP said "shaped the genre", not reflect it

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

to get started these days. Of the list above, only Dick is still really relevant, imo. (Obvs, ymmv, different strokes/different folk, etc.)

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

I'm sorry you feel that way. This isn't music, it's literature. A book doesn't lose it's value with years.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 3

1/2 While true, the way we understand the book changes. We are shaped by the times we live in, and see everything through that lens.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I eagerly await your explanation of the current relevance of the Burroughs canon or of Campbell's impact on modern SF. Since their value (1)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

doesn't lose anything with years. Both are at least as instrumental as any title you cited.(2)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dude. They're good stories. Scientific relevance is not something most of the books on this list EVER had.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm discussing their relevance to modern SF. If these are vital to the genre as it currently exists, that should be an easy bar to clear.

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2/2 And we see things differently now than we saw them 30 years ago.

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It doesn't matter if science has progressed. The books are good and the stories are good. Do you not read computer books from the 80s?

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By computer books I mean fictional books with computers heavily featured.

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1/2 I did not say they weren't good books. Just that a new reader would have a different reaction than someone who read them 20 years ago.

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4/2 and so on. I read the Foundation books at 15-ish. A 15yr old right now would laugh at most of it, or simply not understand.

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3/2 When I read a current SCI-fi book and see mention of computers, it's going to reflect our current knowledge - miniature, holographics

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2/2 To take your computer example, yes, of course I do. But when you said computer in the 80s, everyone thought huge room-sized things.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bad analogy

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Yeah, it is. I love 70s music. But so many people today hate anything older than 3 years that it fit this.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Bach and Haydn, and even Palestrina are still relevant. You would have been better off saying "it's sci fi, not physics."

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

fair enough.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Wait, your username is TANSTAAFL and no Moon is a Harsh Mistress? I am disappoint.

11 years ago | Likes 54 Dislikes 1

Hey Man, heard any good ones?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I honestly can't be reminded of any of Mike's dialogue without getting emotional. Manny kept listening...forever.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Read "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" and "To Sail Beyond the Sunset"

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

LOVED TMIAHM But I agree Stranger is a better book because it was an assessment of society as a whole

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That keeps being mentioned. I like TMIAHM better, but felt that Stranger was more iconic.

11 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 1

Very fair point.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I too liked TMIAHM better, but I can see why Stranger was the more iconic book. There is nothing more powerful than creating a religion.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I grok this.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Never thirst, little brother.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well a religion that specifically caters to humans desire for Peace and self realization. If only it were as easy as learning martian.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

TMIAHM propelled me into a career in computer science. I haven't created Mike yet, but it's gonna happen.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0