reddit literally sells access to it for llm training. code devs literally deleted their stuff on there out of spite becasue it gave reddit ownership of their posted code which then got used by "ai" w/o devs permission.
“To identify likely causes, the authors conducted an informal sentiment survey among voluntary participants” = “I didn’t know why my results sucked, so I asked Reddit and did what the top comment said”
Every so often I even find someone willing to put the URL to their post.
Yep. I ran into this just the other day. I can't recall what I was looking up, but the first search result was Reddit, and the second was an article quoting that Reddit post with literally no other sources of info. 🤦♀️
Google is also AI, and who in the absolute fuck looks for information on facebook? This shit is why you can't trust AI to do absolutely fucking anything.
Ah, Tripadvisor. I remember going to Istanbul this winter, and AI suggested a great place from 2009 post in Tripadvisor. Was it great? Dunno, it is not there anymore. Did AI check? Ofcourse not.
"AI, can I safely drink this poison?" "What a great idea, you should. - Drinking poison will benefit your health in the following ways: -lulz -bigger penis -internet fame"
It can’t be, by nature of the site’s transient content. Depending on a board’s traffic and popularity, even the best information and answers could be gone in hours or days, with only the least busy boards having threads lasting longer than that.
The vast majority of the chan's content is archived as threads cycle out. Check almost any general and you can find a chain going back (assuming someone didn't forget to add it into the OP)
Not really. 4chan's got a culture across a LOT of its boards that basically encourages 'being more 4channy' as an almost competitive fucking sport. The more outrageously racist, sexist and generally scumbaggy you are the more "accepted" you are on those boards, and it's a LOT of the site's activity.
Yeah, both vary. Yeah, Reddit's got shit boards too... but a lot of the crap that's encouraged on 4chan is outright against Reddit ToS.
I get that you're doing a bit, but Reddit has answers. We're not talking about garbage clickbait subs like AITA, it's the niches about almost any topic. If you Google (and by Google i of course mean use a non crap search engine) something, one of the top responses will be from Reddit.
Reddit has more than 100k subreddits all with different rules, mods, topics. one can be super educational and resourceful about its topic, another complete utter shit
208% there.. and then there's all the smaller sources. AI is so good that it's using more than 100% sourcing. Not bad. First 4 posts are already above 100% so i'm unsure if this is some elaborate joke about people not being able to check the most obvious shit
Yeah. Google's AI mode and AI overviews obviously skews the stats. You'll get the same things that are the top search results on a normal Google search.
Explains a lot, really. Wiki so it can get correct answers sometimes. Reddit so it's a self affirming echo chamber enriched sycophant with a pedantic streak.
Wish you could see which subreddits its sourcing, because some of them are honestly lovely supportive places filled with knowledgeable people who are excited about their niche interest. Other subs, complete hives of bootlicking nationalist incel douchebaggery.
Well you can. I dunno how nobody seems to notice, but every major LLM cites the exact pages it's referencing next to chunks of text that it sources from them.
Considering the reference include "Google's AI mode, AI overviews", it's most likely the same that show in top search results in a normal Google search too.
I don't mean for a specific search though, I'd just be curious to see how much information from each subreddit actually ended up in the dataset. Is it just every single available character publicly posted, so its just determined by the literal disk space needed to save each sub, or was there curation happening in the process?
Indirectly, it kind of does. The mods delete and ban users they disagree with, so the subreddit often turns into a bunch of posters who disagree with the mod.
You need to understand, reddit mods are horrible. I'm sure there's 1 or 2 that are ok, but in general they're some of the most self absorbed and hateful people on the internet, and they specifically want power over other netizins.
No just losers, but self absorbed power tripping terminally online with waaayy too much time on their hands. Which makes sense, because nobody in real life with engage them.
I think what they do is ask the AI “Tell me about ”, then mark what sites were cited. 40% of keywords got a cite from Reddit, while 26% of keywords got something from Wikipedia.
A keyword that got information from both Wikipedia and Reddit would count for each row, which is why the numbers total over 100% - the keywords averaged more than a single citation each. That’s a good thing.
SEM rush is also a service for businesses so these results could be biased for purchases, which one could argue reddit would be a good source for customer reviews. I think some of the highest searches on Google have "reddit" at the end because people are looking for opinions from real people.
Yes they do. They asked an AI, and the AI assures us that the percentages are accurate. It's actually more than accurate. It's actually 208% accurate, which is WAY more than most totally accurate statements, who only achieve a 100% accuracy.
Yes but if I answered 4 questions and cited reddit once on 2 questions and YouTube once on the other 2 questions, that would be 50% to each. If I instead only answered 2 questions and cited both reddit and YouTube for each question, then it would be 100% to each?
They surveyed 150,000 responses. Within those, "Reddit was cited in X percent", "YouTube was cited in Y percent". It's not meant to add up to 100% across platforms, it's how many responses out of 100% were they (also) cited in. If Reddit was cited 4/10 times and YouTube 3/10 whether or not they overlapped, their percentage would remain fixed.
Agreed. You do get some hateful and bigoted comments here, but the mods are much more respectful and rational. I've yet to see somebody on imgur get b& for disagreeing with a mod.
People are weirdly defensive of reddit, considering how awful it actually is. They are just another highly moderated, filtered propaganda, bot inflated, billionaire owned social media site.
Reddit has its niche uses and communities. Its a great place to browse recipes. Get feedback on specific things, barter/sell/discuss things like rock hounding and minerals. Etc
There are definitely some nice niche communities, but overall reddit is horrible. It's full of bots, trolls, and is owned by despicable people. Mods have been caught literally editing comments they don't like to win arguments.
It's really a horrible site run by horrible people.
It's just a universal forum. Once Upon a Time, if I wanted to ask a question about a niche piece of software, there might have been an actual forum dedicated to things related to it, that I might have already been a member of, where I could ask it. Now? That forum is a subreddit. I don't see this as a bad thing. Hell, often when I Google or Duck, I'll tack on "Reddit" to the end of my search to get takes from real people instead of listicles.
Nah. Reddit is horrible. It's full of bots, trolls, and is owned by despicable people. Mods have been caught literally editing comments they don't like to win arguments.
It's really a horrible site run by horrible people.
MuffinProof
I love getting my videogame search results from trip advisor
ItsJustBluskyandImgrNow
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https://search.brave.com/ask?q=why+people+mistakenly+think+AI+is+just+one+thing
taez555
So basically AI is now gonna start saying "Follow the links in my bio for 15% off the first month of my Only Fans"?
jerusalemspider
this AI is sponsored by RAID SHADOW LEGENDS
Comet260
Ironically, I was banned from Reddit by AI. I think it did me a favor, in the end.
hotaru251
reddit literally sells access to it for llm training.
code devs literally deleted their stuff on there out of spite becasue it gave reddit ownership of their posted code which then got used by "ai" w/o devs permission.
hotaru251
and the kicker? reddit undeleted the deleted stuff and banned users who made it so they couldnt delete it again.
5v4297j9fj1
Google isn’t a source in the same sense as Wikipedia. Google gets information from sources.
andexer
Imagine if a person told you these were their sources. Imagine a TedTalker listingbthese as their basis for their talk, or a consultant.
Tarmaccian
Academic research does it all the time.
“To identify likely causes, the authors conducted an informal sentiment survey among voluntary participants” = “I didn’t know why my results sucked, so I asked Reddit and did what the top comment said”
Every so often I even find someone willing to put the URL to their post.
nelllybellly1
I still wouldn't like it if it was 100% Wikipedia but would at least feel better about its likelihood of accuracy.
spattr
Why wouldn't it simply ask Jeeves?
Targe0
Because they rebranded that years ago to just “Ask.com”.
They fired Jeeves from his own search engine.
InfocalypseRising
Also ask.com is gone now too
Targe0
May 1, 2026. Dam the body is still warm.
IceWeaselX
Makes sense. For years, so many online "journalists" have just been posting articles where the majority of the content is direct quotes from Reddit.
Salticido
Yep. I ran into this just the other day. I can't recall what I was looking up, but the first search result was Reddit, and the second was an article quoting that Reddit post with literally no other sources of info. 🤦♀️
rezpawner
Google is also AI, and who in the absolute fuck looks for information on facebook? This shit is why you can't trust AI to do absolutely fucking anything.
hsalonen3000
Ah, Tripadvisor. I remember going to Istanbul this winter, and AI suggested a great place from 2009 post in Tripadvisor. Was it great? Dunno, it is not there anymore. Did AI check? Ofcourse not.
makeamericasmartagain9000
I mean it’s more reliable than the White House or most departments in the U.S. with Trump appointed leaders. Still frightening though.
TheVillageGrouch9000
A post from X but X not listed? https://imgur.com/uolVmsn
swedeonamoose
I guess we should be happy 4chan isnt the main source
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
"AI, can I safely drink this poison?" "What a great idea, you should. - Drinking poison will benefit your health in the following ways: -lulz -bigger penis -internet fame"
wadatahmydamie
I mean, it is when you look at the worst members of every one of those sites.
FlyingGiantElk
It can’t be, by nature of the site’s transient content. Depending on a board’s traffic and popularity, even the best information and answers could be gone in hours or days, with only the least busy boards having threads lasting longer than that.
RenegadeExiled
The vast majority of the chan's content is archived as threads cycle out. Check almost any general and you can find a chain going back (assuming someone didn't forget to add it into the OP)
IIXRandomXII
Yeah, only Grok uses that
AtmaDarkwolf
LOL 4chan is basically just reddit with more pictures.
Feralkyn
Not really. 4chan's got a culture across a LOT of its boards that basically encourages 'being more 4channy' as an almost competitive fucking sport. The more outrageously racist, sexist and generally scumbaggy you are the more "accepted" you are on those boards, and it's a LOT of the site's activity.
Yeah, both vary. Yeah, Reddit's got shit boards too... but a lot of the crap that's encouraged on 4chan is outright against Reddit ToS.
Dasnekones
Grock sends their regards
hogeyegrex
Where do you think it picked up its penchant for driving people to suicide?
Exyr
Youtube comment section ain't much better.
onecowboytoo
Have you seen 9gag?
RayMC
It's strange to me how conservative the overall opinions amongst the YouTube comment section have gotten over the last 10 years.
eathotdog
Its much worse since Twitter became x i think
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
I'd guess 4chan would be far better choice
FMC01
Grok has entered the chat
Makerofthingsmasherofstuff
AI needs to pull more educational material from Pronhub.
emu314159127001
I get that you're doing a bit, but Reddit has answers. We're not talking about garbage clickbait subs like AITA, it's the niches about almost any topic. If you Google (and by Google i of course mean use a non crap search engine) something, one of the top responses will be from Reddit.
Xenarion
Hell, it's a classic gag that if Google doesn't answer your question, just add "Reddit" to your search.
emu314159127001
Fo sho. I used to have major Google-fu, until Google went to crap. The Reddit thing will get you there now
TerribleBot
As a redditor, I can confirm that this is a really deep mine of shit
B99Reactions
Reddit has more than 100k subreddits all with different rules, mods, topics. one can be super educational and resourceful about its topic, another complete utter shit
TerribleBot
yes that's it, and AI gets it all ...
Mohareb
208% there.. and then there's all the smaller sources. AI is so good that it's using more than 100% sourcing. Not bad. First 4 posts are already above 100% so i'm unsure if this is some elaborate joke about people not being able to check the most obvious shit
Kemi337
One response can have multiple citations. It's not supposed to add up to 100%.
McTaco
Grouping all llms into one for sources is wrong. We need to know which ones using Reddit Facebook as they source
Xenarion
Yeah. Google's AI mode and AI overviews obviously skews the stats. You'll get the same things that are the top search results on a normal Google search.
Blunderwriter
Well at least it's not checking HERE!
kentacohut
This was pretty obvious with Google Gemini almost all the results I was seeing was reddit
stephseviltwinII
How am I supposed to verify info I read on Reddit then???
MapleSyrupMafia
Ask AI, it will check on Reddit! Big loop!!! Just like the money in AI.
stephseviltwinII
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SometimesIfindmyselfstaringatwomensbreastwhenImtryingtoconverse
I never thought I would see that religious schizo in the wild.
SongOfHicks
Explains a lot, really. Wiki so it can get correct answers sometimes. Reddit so it's a self affirming echo chamber enriched sycophant with a pedantic streak.
Feralkyn
This is a different one than I saw previously, which listed Reddit, Quora, Yahoo answers, and Facebook as the top ones D:
CBadger
Wish you could see which subreddits its sourcing, because some of them are honestly lovely supportive places filled with knowledgeable people who are excited about their niche interest. Other subs, complete hives of bootlicking nationalist incel douchebaggery.
DarkZalgo
Well you can. I dunno how nobody seems to notice, but every major LLM cites the exact pages it's referencing next to chunks of text that it sources from them.
Xenarion
Considering the reference include "Google's AI mode, AI overviews", it's most likely the same that show in top search results in a normal Google search too.
CBadger
I don't mean for a specific search though, I'd just be curious to see how much information from each subreddit actually ended up in the dataset. Is it just every single available character publicly posted, so its just determined by the literal disk space needed to save each sub, or was there curation happening in the process?
wherethehorriblethingsare
Reddit mods are just demons with more acne, worse social skills and a combover.
tallyhoho
This is not limited to the male species as I'm a woman on woman centric subs and am constantly threatened with bans lol
SongOfHicks
Terminally online reddit losers come in all genders, to be sure. They are a diverse group of losers.
chefsoda
I can’t rhyme that, but 99.9% of what an LLM, or you and I, can skim from Reddit, doesn’t come from the mods.
SongOfHicks
Indirectly, it kind of does. The mods delete and ban users they disagree with, so the subreddit often turns into a bunch of posters who disagree with the mod.
You need to understand, reddit mods are horrible. I'm sure there's 1 or 2 that are ok, but in general they're some of the most self absorbed and hateful people on the internet, and they specifically want power over other netizins.
Comet260
Yes, I think we know that. That does not change the fact that Reddit mods are unfuckable losers.
SongOfHicks
No just losers, but self absorbed power tripping terminally online with waaayy too much time on their hands. Which makes sense, because nobody in real life with engage them.
jalcantara88127001
These numbers don't add up
oyskin
AI is 200% smart.
Tarmaccian
I think what they do is ask the AI “Tell me about ”, then mark what sites were cited. 40% of keywords got a cite from Reddit, while 26% of keywords got something from Wikipedia.
A keyword that got information from both Wikipedia and Reddit would count for each row, which is why the numbers total over 100% - the keywords averaged more than a single citation each. That’s a good thing.
SploogeMcDuck316
SEM rush is also a service for businesses so these results could be biased for purchases, which one could argue reddit would be a good source for customer reviews. I think some of the highest searches on Google have "reddit" at the end because people are looking for opinions from real people.
pipatron
It often lists multiple sources for one answer.
hergurh
quite right Mr. Beauregarde
rezpawner
Yes they do. They asked an AI, and the AI assures us that the percentages are accurate. It's actually more than accurate. It's actually 208% accurate, which is WAY more than most totally accurate statements, who only achieve a 100% accuracy.
purgruv
Ahem, 208% is NOT higher than 100%, you stupid bot.
onepinksheep
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nelllybellly1
I hear the MAGAt-in-chief achieves 600% accuracy,
Kyzyl
Facebook at 20% is also terrifying.
Anaphriel
Cause Facebook is only 20% humans now.
PoliticalWanderer
YouTube at 23.5 isn't much better. A redditor and a youtube conspiracy theorist? No wonder shit is fucked.
wecouldbehappywithoutcapitalism
I mislike the facebook percentage just as much
SliderOfElay
Yelp at all is absolutely bad
Yoganmahew
Yelp? Yikes!
Zukai25
Why is it in % yet far exceeds 100.. hmm...
Anaphriel
They're talking about citations. You can cite more than one website per response.
Badprenup
Yes but if I answered 4 questions and cited reddit once on 2 questions and YouTube once on the other 2 questions, that would be 50% to each. If I instead only answered 2 questions and cited both reddit and YouTube for each question, then it would be 100% to each?
Anaphriel
They surveyed 150,000 responses. Within those, "Reddit was cited in X percent", "YouTube was cited in Y percent". It's not meant to add up to 100% across platforms, it's how many responses out of 100% were they (also) cited in. If Reddit was cited 4/10 times and YouTube 3/10 whether or not they overlapped, their percentage would remain fixed.
MiserCrass
facebook itself is mostly AI now too; its a feedback loop of bullshit.
Xenarion
Considering the core of Facebook IS AI, I'm not surprised.
GeraldsNinjaStar
I think it’s MORE than Reddit. Reddit at least has good information for things. Facebook is just lies, dumb opinions, and bots
Feralkyn
Reddit is usually a tossup of good and bad info.
Example, the guy who gave me a whole shitton of information as a COMPLETELY wrong answer for something... because AI told him, from Facebook.
hyjukilo
I'll often do a search with 'reddit' on the end to find tech answers. You still have to filter a bunch of useless guesses, though.
swofromtherock
Wonderful for finding car and home repair advice and such as well
GeraldsNinjaStar
That’s true.
spacecowboyein
Great for questions on video games too.
BosunMark
Could be worse.. could be Imgur..
Comet260
This place is NOT as bad as Reddit. Annoying, yes. Reddit? NO.
SongOfHicks
Agreed. You do get some hateful and bigoted comments here, but the mods are much more respectful and rational. I've yet to see somebody on imgur get b& for disagreeing with a mod.
OriginalAndWitty
People are weirdly defensive of reddit, considering how awful it actually is. They are just another highly moderated, filtered propaganda, bot inflated, billionaire owned social media site.
cannibalthemusical
Reddit has its niche uses and communities. Its a great place to browse recipes. Get feedback on specific things, barter/sell/discuss things like rock hounding and minerals. Etc
SongOfHicks
There are definitely some nice niche communities, but overall reddit is horrible. It's full of bots, trolls, and is owned by despicable people. Mods have been caught literally editing comments they don't like to win arguments.
It's really a horrible site run by horrible people.
cannibalthemusical
Welcome to the internet.
RayMC
It's just a universal forum. Once Upon a Time, if I wanted to ask a question about a niche piece of software, there might have been an actual forum dedicated to things related to it, that I might have already been a member of, where I could ask it. Now? That forum is a subreddit. I don't see this as a bad thing. Hell, often when I Google or Duck, I'll tack on "Reddit" to the end of my search to get takes from real people instead of listicles.
SongOfHicks
Nah. Reddit is horrible. It's full of bots, trolls, and is owned by despicable people. Mods have been caught literally editing comments they don't like to win arguments.
It's really a horrible site run by horrible people.