The good thing about the internet, nothing is gone forever. Let them have their little childish rebellion. Everything will be returned as before when this stain on our society is over. Websites restored, books reprinted. Fuck the fascists.
And to a lesser but still important degree, the same with corporations like Sony trying to destroy the physical game market. They want complete control of what you consume so they can destroy or remove it at any time without your consent.
If you feel like this is new, it isn't. History is one of the most altered subjects in education and in general. Read a copy of James W. Loewen's "Lies My Teacher Told" and get a base of information for the topic. Then learn the basics of historical research and make sure you have an active library card.
I honestly think it's worse for society at large, because it's not nearly as obvious but its more widespread. Sure they don't have to storm into peoples homes to ransack their bookshelves or convince people to toss books in themselves, but that just makes it easier to trick people into thinking nothing was changed. It's just quietly done and from them on when people look for information it won't be as readily available, or the info will contradict other info, and so on.
Agreed. It's worse because those who do it try to do it invisibly whereas the book burners were loud and out front with it. I feel that the bastards trying to destroy society will eventually triumph because there is literally no low they won't stoop to, no line they won't cross. When you are ethically destitute, there is no strategy you can't out-maneuver. We are in a catch-22 situation. We can't beat them unless we discard our ethics; if we discard our ethics, we become them & therefore, lose.
TBH, this is a controversial topic. The films can be banned, because they contain.. er.. black people, who are called n-word and treated very badly. Then again, To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) is a great film I hear you have banned. Or the book.
I think they're just being pedantic. Everyone understands the meaning here, but technically The Internet is the wires routers servers and IP addresses (layer 3/4 of the OSI networking model). The Web is the logical connections between resources specified on Hypertext (layer 6 of the OSI model). Neither is the content, if you're being needlessly technically specific. The gov is removing specific text from their own resources (pages) but not removing the remote web links to it.
"Nuh-uh. He cheated! We know, because we cheated, so the only way he COULD'VE won is if he cheated more! We still ain't got no dang evidence, though, cuz they arrested the My Pillow guy before he could release it!" - MAGAts
Nazi references and Nazi books need to be CLEANSED lest they will continue to infect the minds of the impressionable - youth, impoverished, frustrated etc.
The impressionable, impoverished, and frustrated will always exist. If you cant identify and call out whats posioning their mind, it will take longer to diagnose and excise it, making more likely it will repeat.
Nah, sorry but that's an idiotic take. I read parts of Mein Kampf when i was a teenager and it was already obvious to me at 15 or so how vile it was and how every argument was obviously in bad faith. Censorship of any kind is a proof of weakness. Better educated people will always recognise an inferior ideology as inferior, so the goal must be better education, not censorship of stupid ideologies. The latter is an excuse for populists to call themselves "against the establishment" and so on
Nice choice of words. Inferior ideologies have no right to exist, because they might still turn out superior under particular circumstances - in times of upheaval, loss, deprivation etc. The strong must protect the weak in a society - this goes with protecting the weak-minded -, and protection against such subversive threats helps us all.
I meant inferior in terms of ideas, not in terms of power. Nazi ideology will always be inferior no matter how prevalent it is. The only way the "strong" can protect the "weak" (what a condescending formulation btw) is by teaching him strength, no chosing their path for them because they allegedly arent "strong" enough to decide for themselves. If you arent trolling, i hope you realise how authoritarian adjacent your reasoning is.
Solidarity within a society is based on the realization that some are less protected again certain threats (eg. the elderly against ailments, scams, violent crime; the young and the uneducated against propaganda etc.). The spread of fascist ideology is a threat we must defend against as one - by protecting the vulnerable.
yeah but you can never erase an idea, good or bad, the only durable progress is to make it obvious to all how and why fallacious ideas are fallacious. Since hateful ideologies cant ever be erased completely, only education can make them durably irrelevant because smart good people aspire not to be the antagonists in the history of mankind.
unfortunatelynotdeadyet
The good thing about the internet, nothing is gone forever. Let them have their little childish rebellion. Everything will be returned as before when this stain on our society is over. Websites restored, books reprinted. Fuck the fascists.
EMHPicardo
Osiricus
They know...it's the same exact motivation.
hyptosis
Yeah, anyone who can read can see what's happening right now.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
And to a lesser but still important degree, the same with corporations like Sony trying to destroy the physical game market. They want complete control of what you consume so they can destroy or remove it at any time without your consent.
UncleRat
If you feel like this is new, it isn't. History is one of the most altered subjects in education and in general. Read a copy of James W. Loewen's "Lies My Teacher Told" and get a base of information for the topic. Then learn the basics of historical research and make sure you have an active library card.
Sechran
... No it isn't. It isn't even remotely like that.
You can put those references BACK on those websites with an upload. You cannot UNBURN a book. This is a terrible analogy.
AboutaThing
You can just print a new book.
Frencheeseater
If you still got one, if the last one is burnt it's gone forever. Especially those written before printing, like ancient Greece or Roman Empire.
DrZero18
Why I've never trusted e-readers and such. Actual books are the only way.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
I honestly think it's worse for society at large, because it's not nearly as obvious but its more widespread. Sure they don't have to storm into peoples homes to ransack their bookshelves or convince people to toss books in themselves, but that just makes it easier to trick people into thinking nothing was changed. It's just quietly done and from them on when people look for information it won't be as readily available, or the info will contradict other info, and so on.
zerosava
Agreed. It's worse because those who do it try to do it invisibly whereas the book burners were loud and out front with it. I feel that the bastards trying to destroy society will eventually triumph because there is literally no low they won't stoop to, no line they won't cross. When you are ethically destitute, there is no strategy you can't out-maneuver. We are in a catch-22 situation. We can't beat them unless we discard our ethics; if we discard our ethics, we become them & therefore, lose.
keyblader1985
Was that ever in question?
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
Or banning old films
hsalonen3000
TBH, this is a controversial topic. The films can be banned, because they contain.. er.. black people, who are called n-word and treated very badly. Then again, To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) is a great film I hear you have banned. Or the book.
shitheadtookmyname
Who banned that movie
thepicklebucket
That is not the Internet. This is not the Internet.
Frencheeseater
The Internet = the technology
The Web = the content
thepicklebucket
Nope.
Frencheeseater
? explain then if you feel like it.
thepicklebucket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs
Frencheeseater
Thanks for the link ! Well, whatever content goes through the pipes...
AReallySatisfyingPoo
I think they're just being pedantic. Everyone understands the meaning here, but technically The Internet is the wires routers servers and IP addresses (layer 3/4 of the OSI networking model). The Web is the logical connections between resources specified on Hypertext (layer 6 of the OSI model).
Neither is the content, if you're being needlessly technically specific.
The gov is removing specific text from their own resources (pages) but not removing the remote web links to it.
Frencheeseater
Thanks for your detailed answer, that's awesome ! I was a bit expeditive on my vocabulary, and you nailed it perfectly ! Have a nice day !
digitreal
Well don't go to the white house website and look at the list of presidents, if you don't want to feel rage.
Niagaran
wow. I had to see it for myself. What petty little shits
onlytwomoreyears
I dont have enough proxies to go some government website!
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Still that childish thing where they use the autopen as Biden's portrait? Or worse?
3HourShower
They left out Biden! This is insane. This whole mess isn't gonna end well.
CuddlyPervert
Considering it still lists the VP as Pence, I'ma hazard a guess that this is an instance of unupdated material rather then removal.
thedarkcanuck
Lemme guess, no Obama?
shitheadtookmyname
No. Trump twice.
Nalianna
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/ - No biden.
mandorsawalll
What a child. Because he beat him in election, no doubt.
Z0op
Not biden, kamala. Fun thing to mention to him that he has only managed to win from women
theshinobi23
"Nuh-uh. He cheated! We know, because we cheated, so the only way he COULD'VE won is if he cheated more! We still ain't got no dang evidence, though, cuz they arrested the My Pillow guy before he could release it!" - MAGAts
JaimeLannistersRightHand
For a pedo he spends a lot of time worrying about old men...
Margrave9000
Nazi references and Nazi books need to be CLEANSED lest they will continue to infect the minds of the impressionable - youth, impoverished, frustrated etc.
Subsound
The impressionable, impoverished, and frustrated will always exist. If you cant identify and call out whats posioning their mind, it will take longer to diagnose and excise it, making more likely it will repeat.
yagswolo
Nah, sorry but that's an idiotic take. I read parts of Mein Kampf when i was a teenager and it was already obvious to me at 15 or so how vile it was and how every argument was obviously in bad faith. Censorship of any kind is a proof of weakness. Better educated people will always recognise an inferior ideology as inferior, so the goal must be better education, not censorship of stupid ideologies. The latter is an excuse for populists to call themselves "against the establishment" and so on
Margrave9000
Nice choice of words. Inferior ideologies have no right to exist, because they might still turn out superior under particular circumstances - in times of upheaval, loss, deprivation etc. The strong must protect the weak in a society - this goes with protecting the weak-minded -, and protection against such subversive threats helps us all.
PennysWorthOfTea
Kiddo, I'm begging you to please go seek professional psychiatric help
yagswolo
I meant inferior in terms of ideas, not in terms of power. Nazi ideology will always be inferior no matter how prevalent it is. The only way the "strong" can protect the "weak" (what a condescending formulation btw) is by teaching him strength, no chosing their path for them because they allegedly arent "strong" enough to decide for themselves. If you arent trolling, i hope you realise how authoritarian adjacent your reasoning is.
Margrave9000
Me too, dude, me too.
Solidarity within a society is based on the realization that some are less protected again certain threats (eg. the elderly against ailments, scams, violent crime; the young and the uneducated against propaganda etc.). The spread of fascist ideology is a threat we must defend against as one - by protecting the vulnerable.
yagswolo
yeah but you can never erase an idea, good or bad, the only durable progress is to make it obvious to all how and why fallacious ideas are fallacious. Since hateful ideologies cant ever be erased completely, only education can make them durably irrelevant because smart good people aspire not to be the antagonists in the history of mankind.