What always comes with a Data Center? Bribery and Corruption. Public officials should never be allowed to enter into any NDA for any reason. They are here to represent the peoples not conspire with corparate interest that bribe them.
People can keep shouting these things but until the system in place actual changes these are just words. You tell people “Your politicians and representatives work for you” but we can clearly see they just want to grift as much as possible before being removed and fucking off into obscurity. Everyone knows what’s going on but we can’t do anything about it because “the term is up at whatever date”. Give them the same job security everyone else has.
I understand where you're coming from. Words alone don't change anything if the system continues to reward the same behavior. Real accountability has to come with real consequences, and people in public office should be held to meaningful standards just like everyone else. The question is how we create a system that actually makes that accountability possible.
Real change will happen when people understand who they 'need' to vote in order to take care of their interests. As long as people vote based on feelings, based on what their dad, granddad or spouse voted, based on 'culture' or history, will be facing the same problems again and again. If your interests change so should your vote.
I say sign them if they want, but it should be illegal to be bound by them. Let these companies try to think that they can bind public officials with them
I do not understand how a government official can be bound by an NDA. They are public officials, emphasis on public and any information they are given should be disclosed to the public if someone requests it.
Should have a law that forbids any government official to be bound by an NDA. Immediately lose the right to hold any public job, and straight to jail upon discovery.
Hello what is the presidents email password, plz? Also what is the weak point of your drones? How is a social security number calculated? What is the largest (public stock traded!) company contract the government will sign the coming weeks? Oh and give a list of trans people addresses I want to send 'present'. Thank you govermet oficial!
Like, I get the gut feeling about "why won't a company say how many jobs they intend to create" or "the proposals should include detailed costs and analysis", but there's definitely very good reasons to not have government disclose certain things.
I’ve signed NDAs as a federal employee related to proprietary technology for private companies. You wouldn’t necessarily agree to do business with the government if it meant all your R&D automatically became public info
Good, don't let them deal with governments. If the budget for governments are from the people, the people deserve to know where that money goes. If your things are so secret you need an NDA, you shouldn't work with governments
copyright doesn't apply to ideas, and patents requires you to make your stuff public, and the rights expire after some time. trade secrets are private and as such, valid indefinitely, but there is no outside enforcement; thus the need for NDAs.
Police agencies have lied about whether they use certain technologies against the citizens under the guise of an NDA, making it difficult to spot violations of constitutional rights. See: Stingray
It's complicated, I get it, and if there were only one or two instances where it became a problem we could deal with it on an individual basis. HOWEVER, abuse has become the norm so we the people need more transparency and better protection. In this case, that means businesses have to choose between lucrative government contracts or secrecy.
Well I mean.. they ALSO do backroom deals and often go AGAINST what their constituents voted for. So if anything, I think this just highlights that we, as an entire country, need to have HARSHER laws for elected officials who go against the will of the people and act on their own self interests alone.
We NEED to tell them that if they're not here to serve the public, then they have two choices, harsh consequences, or find a different job. We're not here to pay them to screw us all over.
Hey, USA'nians! You should play this on repeat until you start acting according to what she says. Because until you do, corporations will continue to buttfuck you without lube and not leave you a dime for your trouble. But hey, I guess that's what it takes because "the American Dream™ ", right?
It's not just the US. A municipal government or two here in NB, Canada was tight-lipped and fast-tracked new data center plans and we're fucking pissed.
Exactly. That’s what makes this issue so frustrating—it clearly isn’t limited to one country. When governments fast-track major projects while keeping the public in the dark, people have every right to demand transparency and accountability. Communities deserve a real voice in decisions that can permanently affect where they live.
Errr?? The hostile takeover already happened here. We get mugged in the street for anything less than open support of the current regime.
And you know what? We're growing and exporting the fascism. It's spreading, and it's you who still currently has a functional government that could exert some real pressure who are the biggest fucking morons. The horrors killing America will continue once it's picked clean.
Also, the data center in question is still going to be built. No matter how awesome this lady and her words are. This is all just theater to give you the illusion you have any say in this. Until you drag them out of their boardrooms and hang them in the streets nothing will change and no one will listen.
Not necessarily, there have been at least a few of these where they said it was "already a done deal" and public outcry still got it canceled. Nashville Tennessee I think was a recent one.
I just don't see that happening. They have the rights to own guns for as long as the country exists for just this reason but nothing gets done with these rights. I thought things would get kickstarted with a martyr but there's been a few now (Goode, Pretti, and so on) but still nothing happened. I think too many Americans are putting their trust in the upcoming elections but make no mistakes, things are being put in motion to deprive you of those too and then what?
I understand the frustration, especially when decisions seem to be made regardless of what ordinary people say. But I don't think violence is the answer. Real change comes from sustained public pressure, transparency, voting, legal accountability, and making decision-makers answer for the consequences of their choices. If the system can ignore people indefinitely, then the system itself needs to be challenged and reformed.
"then the system itself needs to be challenged and reformed"
I'm going to be honest I also don't like violence and cannot see myself directly participating in it except in the most extreme of circumstances.
But let's be clear, challenging and reforming systems this large and fundamental pretty much always requires violence. The people in power are unlikely to change the rules such that they no longer have that power unless they are forced to do so.
I understand your point, and history certainly shows that major political changes have sometimes involved violence. But I don't think that means violence is always necessary or inevitable. Power can also be challenged through organized civil resistance, strikes, protests, investigative journalism, legal action, elections, and sustained public pressure.
The difficult part is making those methods strong enough that people in power have a genuine incentive to change. I just don't want to accept the idea that violence is the only language those in power understand, because once violence becomes the solution, ordinary people often end up paying the highest price.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree that when institutions are corrupted or people are denied meaningful accountability, simply telling everyone to vote can feel completely inadequate. But I still don't believe violence leads to the kind of lasting change people are looking for. The real challenge is finding ways to organize, expose corruption, build public pressure, and create consequences that those in power can't simply ignore. It may be harder and slower, but destroying the system
DaisyfromDownunder
* Correction - They work for you until the bribes and the Fix is on.
TheDildoOfConsequences
What an absolutely f***ing kick-ass woman. Eloquent, forceful, intelligent, charismatic, powerful.
NotAGarbageCant
The second we gave corps. the same rights a people, we signed our demise
Grimlinnan
What always comes with a Data Center? Bribery and Corruption. Public officials should never be allowed to enter into any NDA for any reason. They are here to represent the peoples not conspire with corparate interest that bribe them.
TrilithonStone
That's how to address the crooks in office.
CharlesTooke
Who is she?
intrepidsea
People can keep shouting these things but until the system in place actual changes these are just words. You tell people “Your politicians and representatives work for you” but we can clearly see they just want to grift as much as possible before being removed and fucking off into obscurity. Everyone knows what’s going on but we can’t do anything about it because “the term is up at whatever date”. Give them the same job security everyone else has.
dannyuc2479
I understand where you're coming from. Words alone don't change anything if the system continues to reward the same behavior. Real accountability has to come with real consequences, and people in public office should be held to meaningful standards just like everyone else. The question is how we create a system that actually makes that accountability possible.
saturatedcottonballs
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mindstorm8191
I don't know who she is but she should be governor!
Alexap30
Real change will happen when people understand who they 'need' to vote in order to take care of their interests. As long as people vote based on feelings, based on what their dad, granddad or spouse voted, based on 'culture' or history, will be facing the same problems again and again. If your interests change so should your vote.
PapaJoeNH
She's both completely right and completely wrong
markm0101
“Not only is your story worth telling, but it can be told in words so painstakingly eloquent that it becomes a song.”
Gloria Naylor
Ardilla05
Who is SHE?!
Rakoth
This girl is super fancy, she sings, she struts, she dances! Her magic's so inspired~
hiddenminotaur
It should be absolutely illegal for a government agent to sign an NDA for government work
mindstorm8191
I say sign them if they want, but it should be illegal to be bound by them.
Let these companies try to think that they can bind public officials with them
spontaneous9
GiantSquanchy
Bugdaze
WHO IS SHE PLEASE
ChelChehalem
I do not understand how a government official can be bound by an NDA. They are public officials, emphasis on public and any information they are given should be disclosed to the public if someone requests it.
Poppypoppoppop
Should have a law that forbids any government official to be bound by an NDA. Immediately lose the right to hold any public job, and straight to jail upon discovery.
CharlesTooke
Louisiana is the single most corrupt State in the Union.
MostLikelyNotWearingPants
Right! You’d think it be covered under open meetings act or something
nikinnorway12
It's illegal in civilized countries.... because the only reason for an NDA with government is corruption
Bystandr
Theyve likely changed the laws, but I understand these laws used to exist in most US states, too.
pixelsnader
Hello what is the presidents email password, plz? Also what is the weak point of your drones? How is a social security number calculated? What is the largest (public stock traded!) company contract the government will sign the coming weeks? Oh and give a list of trans people addresses I want to send 'present'. Thank you govermet oficial!
pixelsnader
Like, I get the gut feeling about "why won't a company say how many jobs they intend to create" or "the proposals should include detailed costs and analysis", but there's definitely very good reasons to not have government disclose certain things.
M4UsedRollout
Yes and that’s why government secrets are classified. NDAs are for protecting private interests, not public ones.
nobuduno2
Are you going to provide a possible solution or just point out that no plan is perfect?
DrKonrad
Have you followed US politics, public interest is not the priority for politicians over there
saucearonichee
I’ve signed NDAs as a federal employee related to proprietary technology for private companies. You wouldn’t necessarily agree to do business with the government if it meant all your R&D automatically became public info
Toqom
Good, don't let them deal with governments. If the budget for governments are from the people, the people deserve to know where that money goes. If your things are so secret you need an NDA, you shouldn't work with governments
theobstruction
That's what copyright and patent laws are for.
elvianempire
copyright doesn't apply to ideas, and patents requires you to make your stuff public, and the rights expire after some time. trade secrets are private and as such, valid indefinitely, but there is no outside enforcement; thus the need for NDAs.
PoorBoyChevelle
Police agencies have lied about whether they use certain technologies against the citizens under the guise of an NDA, making it difficult to spot violations of constitutional rights. See: Stingray
zechor
It's complicated, I get it, and if there were only one or two instances where it became a problem we could deal with it on an individual basis. HOWEVER, abuse has become the norm so we the people need more transparency and better protection. In this case, that means businesses have to choose between lucrative government contracts or secrecy.
grandestgrandeur
Well I mean.. they ALSO do backroom deals and often go AGAINST what their constituents voted for. So if anything, I think this just highlights that we, as an entire country, need to have HARSHER laws for elected officials who go against the will of the people and act on their own self interests alone.
We NEED to tell them that if they're not here to serve the public, then they have two choices, harsh consequences, or find a different job. We're not here to pay them to screw us all over.
dawnkelly3160
Right on!
JimmyWalkerTexasRanger
These people used to get run out of town, their property taken, or in some cases, permanently dealt with. We've gone soft since the rise of the corporate police state. https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MGFsanRleG0zcWh6YWRqMzVrMXFjYmN4Y3l0bjVxcTBheGJ0aGY1ZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/e7QO18qopbd99evxyD/200w.webp
Demagur
I'm just surprised they didn't try to have her arrested half way through
OutboardOverlord
Hey, USA'nians! You should play this on repeat until you start acting according to what she says. Because until you do, corporations will continue to buttfuck you without lube and not leave you a dime for your trouble. But hey, I guess that's what it takes because "the American Dream™ ", right?
Badmusick
Shhhh... we know
AidanPrydeCork
HollowHermit
I played it twice just to let the conviction brighten my day 2 fold
CerisCinderwolf
It's not just the US. A municipal government or two here in NB, Canada was tight-lipped and fast-tracked new data center plans and we're fucking pissed.
dannyuc2479
Exactly. That’s what makes this issue so frustrating—it clearly isn’t limited to one country. When governments fast-track major projects while keeping the public in the dark, people have every right to demand transparency and accountability. Communities deserve a real voice in decisions that can permanently affect where they live.
awkungen42
You're preaching to the wrong people. This is Imgur, none of the shit you say here is being said to anyone who needs to hear this.
Choiced
Errr?? The hostile takeover already happened here. We get mugged in the street for anything less than open support of the current regime.
And you know what? We're growing and exporting the fascism. It's spreading, and it's you who still currently has a functional government that could exert some real pressure who are the biggest fucking morons. The horrors killing America will continue once it's picked clean.
Choiced
Good luck, we've been dying on the streets for decades, but it's far easier for you to blame the frontline than to join the fucking fight.
FlatLandFatty
Also, the data center in question is still going to be built. No matter how awesome this lady and her words are. This is all just theater to give you the illusion you have any say in this. Until you drag them out of their boardrooms and hang them in the streets nothing will change and no one will listen.
Evi1Gav
People hanging from a lamppost or being put in a guillotine can't plead for mercy. But a concrete anchor gun to affix them to city hall?
GeneralAnubis
Not necessarily, there have been at least a few of these where they said it was "already a done deal" and public outcry still got it canceled. Nashville Tennessee I think was a recent one.
DarkUranium
In my experience, a lot of such "canceled" projects end up showing up again later, when the public's attention is diverted elsewhere.
OutboardOverlord
This is a good time to invest in rope and guillotine businesses.
tizme
I’m in!!
Dolenmorgul
I just don't see that happening. They have the rights to own guns for as long as the country exists for just this reason but nothing gets done with these rights. I thought things would get kickstarted with a martyr but there's been a few now (Goode, Pretti, and so on) but still nothing happened. I think too many Americans are putting their trust in the upcoming elections but make no mistakes, things are being put in motion to deprive you of those too and then what?
dannyuc2479
I understand the frustration, especially when decisions seem to be made regardless of what ordinary people say. But I don't think violence is the answer. Real change comes from sustained public pressure, transparency, voting, legal accountability, and making decision-makers answer for the consequences of their choices. If the system can ignore people indefinitely, then the system itself needs to be challenged and reformed.
AllTheKitties
"then the system itself needs to be challenged and reformed"
I'm going to be honest I also don't like violence and cannot see myself directly participating in it except in the most extreme of circumstances.
But let's be clear, challenging and reforming systems this large and fundamental pretty much always requires violence. The people in power are unlikely to change the rules such that they no longer have that power unless they are forced to do so.
dannyuc2479
I understand your point, and history certainly shows that major political changes have sometimes involved violence. But I don't think that means violence is always necessary or inevitable. Power can also be challenged through organized civil resistance, strikes, protests, investigative journalism, legal action, elections, and sustained public pressure.
dannyuc2479
The difficult part is making those methods strong enough that people in power have a genuine incentive to change. I just don't want to accept the idea that violence is the only language those in power understand, because once violence becomes the solution, ordinary people often end up paying the highest price.
DarkUranium
Uh-huh ... and when violence is used against you, public pressure counts for fuck-all, voting is rigged, and accountability is gone? (1/?)
dannyuc2479
I understand what you're saying, and I agree that when institutions are corrupted or people are denied meaningful accountability, simply telling everyone to vote can feel completely inadequate. But I still don't believe violence leads to the kind of lasting change people are looking for. The real challenge is finding ways to organize, expose corruption, build public pressure, and create consequences that those in power can't simply ignore. It may be harder and slower, but destroying the system
DarkUranium
Frankly, I feel like people with opinions like yours are a big part of the reason the situation is as shit as it is. Fear was the only (2/?)
DarkUranium
... thing keeping the rich in check. And now it basically seems to be gone. (3/3)