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Anyone else get repeatedly stomped by Meta Players when trying to get into the tabletop with a starter kit?
Nov 25, 2020 1:42 PM
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thevortexmaster
Never met too many chefs trying to stop me from enjoying cooking food @op
theAught
I feel like model builders are pretty cool
surlyghost
In both motorcycling, hobby crafting, I've found this isn't right. I've had warm welcome and great advice. Both in-person & reddit, too.
wheredoisign
Kinda depends for motorcycling, there are douches around, but so many nice folks on the acutal road.
stabbedintheface
No one has showed up for my "spit in each other's mouths" club since March. I think it's because we don't have online registration.
azriim
https://youtu.be/CV3wtxUsnhk
ArkoneAxon
I'm actually saddened by what Covid is doing to the gym industry. Most people I met there were really friendly and helpful to newbies.
Malikhi
So which hobby did you get into only to realize it's full of bullies? I have a list, personally.
TheAtomicTangerine
Muscle cars. Some people are titanic dicks about a vehicle not having all the numbers match or making a repair that fits your budget.
Malikhi
Oh yeah. Definitely. I'm a mechanic, the entire industry is full of dicks. Hobbies included. Holy shit, the racing scene.
Malikhi
The most welcoming hobby I've ever encountered so far is blacksmithing. Nearly everyone I've talked to had great advice.
Chuckinsky
I went to medieval fairs for years (see pic in my bio) and I can confirm, all the blacksmiths I met are crazy nutters, but friendly as fuck.
Malikhi
I actually went to my first one last summer (2019). Wanted to go again this year but the devil shaved his asshole into our luck pool.
LovesToSpooge517
The problem is people. People are just shits and nothing feels as good as looking down on someone lesser than you.
usernaimunavailable
I am a cosplayer and I see this a lot in the hobby. Same with DnD. I see a lot of it in my different groups.Gatekeeping the hobby is no good
airen
Mtg lost their good female cosplayer bc they were dicks
usernaimunavailable
It is a really interesting world. I tend to stay to myself,not joining groups,because of the crap and drama.I've done well with my cosplays
xSquireRamza9
I've met plenty of asshole D&D players who's rather D&D stopped at 3.5 and died with them
DoktorWyvern
It's so often 3.5 to. I played AD&D for years, but holy shit 5e is so much better for most people. You can teach someone all of 5E before
DoktorWyvern
They grasp THAC0, and that's not even the hardest thing.
MurialsCourage
We can't even get along with other people who share our hobbies? Man, we're fucked.
GeekTherapyRadioPodcast
Preach. It's called "Gatekeeping."
EdieWutWutMonster
When you're trying to learn a new art style but people keep saying you're a biter/copy cat. Like, I have to learn somehow, damn.
henrikpetersson51
Meanwhile, the chicken hobby is booming and we are sweet as candy to out newcomers.
iwishihadchickens
AlaskanX
This sounds like the most recent Destiny drama, the top 0.01% of raiders were crying about 30k ppl clearing the new raid in first 24hrs
rhubarbarian
Wasn't it also because you didn't have to grind ridiculous amounts last week just to get to the required light level?
rhubarbarian
Just to be able to access the raid, I mean. The last few raids had some pretty crazy gatekeeping, it was a fulltime job just to hit the LL.
AlaskanX
Yeah you still had to bust your ass to get there this time but was much more relaxed than Garden or Last Wish
InDubiousBattle
Been knitting 13 years. If you wanna learn, PM me and I will send a list of online resources and basic supplies list next week. On vacation.
Iliketomakepeoplemad
Omg i started rc racing early this year... the guys at the track are NOT friendly lol. Kind of depressing since i want my son to join also
ijdod
I’ve seen this vary from club(track) to club, and within clubs from class to class. Or class to class in general. In my area 1/10 and >
ijdod
1/8 nitro onroad were the worst by far. Electric was generally a nice bunch, with drivers sharing setup tips. Fifth scale crowd were nice >
ijdod
But their cars disliked in general due to ruining the track for the rest.
MechKelly
Same for cooking videos. "Grandmas are rolling over in their grave" because someone tried making their own marinara. Screw that hate.
LostCause97
This also applies to sweaty wannabe TTVs who grind new players into the dirt, then complain that the game population is dwindling.
Cinderblox91
Playing MOBAs springs to my mind from this. Tho MOBAs are not dying ?
TwoAccountsDown
Shame. I'm still mad about what they did to WC3.
Gaidenninjacat
MOBA is there is usually a few different queues to spread out skill level and allow learning, but people want to skip the learning part.
Gaidenninjacat
Most MOBA have a lot to learn but they don't want to put in the effort to actually try to be good at the game which frustrates people who do
Gaidenninjacat
It's like trying to play a board game without reading the rules, just go spend 25 minutes learning about the game first.
MissAizea
Exactly why the world of classic cars is fading. They're assholes to minorities and young people. Our classic car show events have gotten
MissAizea
Smaller and smaller as they die off.
Colopty
I'd suspect younger people are also having difficulties affording hobby cars.
MissAizea
That's definitely a contributer, but you don't see even 30/40 y/os. They're mostly 60+. Used to be a huge event in our town but it's fading
paulus1978
"assholes to minorities and young people" really? How so? I thought you kept a classic on the road in good order and met with like minded
MissAizea
They just bully them from events and insult their cars. Or give them the cold shoulder if they ask about their cars. There's no inclusivity
paulus1978
I mean, if you chop up a classic and make it a faux-Ricer, I get the dreission, but the rest isn't cool. Someone loves thier car is enough
TheAtomicTangerine
Look at the demographics of a car show. It's predominantly old(er) white guys that don't like answering questions or being helpful.
paulus1978
Those i've spoken to seem the opposite. Jaguar Enthusiasts seem very talkative and full of tips for getting good results. Bad club maybe?
DoktorWyvern
Like all hobbies, it's a mized bag. I'd say American Muscle is probably the worst for it, but the 'Vette crowd is actually much nicer than
DoktorWyvern
Their reputation suggests. Lot's of variety to car enthusiasts. Though, in Oregon any club with an older populace definetly has racists.
SirenBrick
I have noticed 2 a-hole groups. Old timers who have the only right to own classic cars, and bored rich kids who bought in with 0 investment
TranscendentalExperiences
Cross stitchers love everybody!
SendNudis
I want to learn this! I don’t know how to start though.
Outofthespotlight
Youtube is a great resource for learning crafts
iwishihadchickens
buy a small simple kit, it’s how I got started.
TranscendentalExperiences
PM me! Head over to r/crossstitch on reddit! Awesome community!
SlimSam
Sounds like Rocket League. I'm amazed how d***s some GC/Pros can be just because they played the damn game from the release...
TakeTheStairs
i feel like RL is super easy to get into, and the interaction with other players is VERY limited. so not sure how this fits
themexicanwave
I cannot understand why that game is so big or the players take it so seriously. I have heard the community is toxic and am puzzled why
illegalacorn
because it's fucking awesome, and because internet.
Colopty
It's flashy, easy to understand, the gameplay is polished, and there's tons of potential for pulling cool maneuvers for quick dopamine hits.
Bardoctor
More like noobs that have been noobs for too long bashing newbies
CumsInPies
If it's a hobby you're all noobs
Bardoctor
Want to tell that to people like Lockpicklawyer?
CumsInPies
Not really
mistaopportunity
That's a thing too, dunning-krueger effect and all that. People think they're better than they are, they know more than they do, etc.
AlexanderGibson
Golf. 100% golfers. I cannot go to course without being told me generation is a problem
BrockEffingSamson
They have an additional problem of the sport now being associated with Trump.
HungaJungaESQ
I love playing with the super bright matte balls these days. Playing for 20 years; but the looks I get when I tee up a bright red. Jesus.
dunkledan
Well that's just boomers
ArkoneAxon
In their defense, younger generations ARE a problem. When Tiger Woods showed up, suddenly the old fat guys had to start hitting the gym. :p
caassapaba
That's the secret of the pcmasterrace: Name yourselves "asshole club of elitist dicks" and when people come check you out, be super nice.
runswithlag
SShhhhh, don't tell anyone.
Arcanum3000
We're angry at our hardware, not other people. (Kidding. Mostly. My 5800X upgrade was a nightmare.)
Ark161
This. Sure the click has a bit of toxicity, but overall, the majority of people (in my experience) are pretty helpful.
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
*clique
cheeseguy3412
As a mostly lurker member of that community, I will occasionally go into peoples wish lists and get them something I can afford at random /1
cheeseguy3412
Around the holidays. Couple dozen mice and keyboards over the years, etc. /2
TheSwedishMoose
SpareWare
Just ignore chat in MOBAs
TeflonTrout
We love having people to talk to about the nuts and bolts of our rigs and theirs, and newbies tend to have the coolest fukkin' ideas
ThanatosElNyx
Yeah I've be trawling PC Building fora for the last couple of weeks with an eye to build soon. And they have all been great!
Bhargo
not sure what pc people you are running into but most of them are raging douchebags who really think they are better than everyone
LordofSandvich
The good old sucker un-punch
CriticalJudgementalElitistPrick
Elitist Prick here myself.
DaisyTeddyBear
I wish I knew about this before I bought my prebuilt pc. I really wanted to build my own but no clue
goatamon
Yahtzee, who coined the term, later said of the PCGMR: "Fuck you, toffee-nosed PC Master Race shitheads! I wish I'd named you something else
goatamon
now, like the "PC Gaming Dick-Slurp All-Stars"!
Ruhig
They'd probably embrace that too, honestly.
FlatPlutoSociety
Gotta say, I'd be a lot more likely to check out a group of dick-slurp all-stars than some master race.
GingeraffeTW
It's like hazing before they even try to join! Keeps out the filth at least... Damn Stadia users.
Ark161
saw stadia and went WRYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! STOP TRYING TO MAKE CLOUD GAMING A THING
ImHereForExplicitContent
Don't you guys have internets?
Jalopenis
All 7 of them! DaaAaamMn! To. The. HekK!
cozynester
Yeah in general I got great advice from the PC community when I was making my first build. No judgement for doing something low budget
Malikhi
Lul, this newb asks advice from the community! /s. :p
Peynus
Welcome to the fold, brother. Your comments spreading our faith have been noted favourably. We bless you and your work
Asikar
Everyone has to start somewhere. ;)
NinjaHoff
Welcome my brother in arms
darksteihl
Just never mention how you still prefer to game on console...
Srcsqwrn
It's a fun challenge to work in a budget and get the most out of it!
Malikhi
For real though, there's this unspoken realization in PC building that is there isn't fresh blood there won't be new cards to play with
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Lmao, I was told my budget wasn't nearly enough to be worthwhile doing. So I spent the same on an Xbox.
delciotto
Sounds like they helped you. Price to performance is a bell curve. if your budget falls to the left you are better off with a console.
ImHereForExplicitContent
Sounds like they helped you get what you were after without making a costly mistake
PenisOfDeath
$300 for something that can play games is a bargain if you're going for the series S, but if it's for the series X then you could afford a >
PenisOfDeath
> lower end PC for a similar, maybe slightly higher price.
arcanus44
But apparently if your build ever gets more expensive than theirs you're "wasting your money dude." 1/
arcanus44
I'm a guy who loves building PCs and has the disposable income to throw at 3090s and 3950x's but I'm met with consistent vitriol.
chuddddd
Yeah i feel like the consensus should be that it was a waste of money but it's YOUR money so in the end do what you want
Arcanum3000
I mean, they're not wrong. Especially about the 3090. It's your money, but the 3090 is a really poor value proposition.
arcanus44
Hey look it's the exact thing I just talked about
Skuggen
Not to mention how those older hobbyists react if the creators try to update the hobby to be a bit more newbie-friendly
youwishyouhadaunicorn
"It was tough for me too. You Just gotta get through it."
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
"git gud"
Teledabby
dont!
Geo80
I'm all for inviting and welcoming newbie. But 'updating' as such almost always means watering it down to appeal to the LCD.
TeflonTrout
Like Pathfinder vs DnD
GreenBloodedPointyEaredBastard
Honestly I love both for different things and I’ve really come to enjoy Starfinder and powered by the apocalypse
palmo
Powered by the apocalypse leaves so much room for cruelty, I actually like the structure of rules to make things fair. Also fuck Adam Koebel
probablyshouldbedoingwork
You can'teven walk into a fabric shop 'under 30' without women in their 70s glaring at you like you're the reason their grandkids don't call
scissorfella
Second hand curtains make them real confused when you tell them what you're doing with them
patrickthepirate1
As a softgoods designer, I kinda actually love it. It confuses them so much when a male walks in and knows more about textiles than they do.
notkvothethebloodless
(1)Lol I remember once after getting off work I walked Into a joann fabrics for yarn. I was in stained work pants and a ripped up black
notkvothethebloodless
(2) tanktop and I swear like 3 of the little old bitties stopped in their tracks and stared at me in shock like I was gonna start shooting.
probablyshouldbedoingwork
I once bought fusible interfacing and the woman at the till snark'd "Do you KNOW how to use this? You need an iron". Like biiiiiiiitch c'mon
tzxAzrael
"sure, imma just heat up the rusty old cast iron frying pan thats been under the kitchen sink for a year. that'll work right?"
sogget
"Hello ladies. What are you working on today?" "We're quilting. You know what that is?" "Actually, I do." *pulls out hand sewn gambeson*
Vlaatu
"Do you even perl?" -Sashays away in cross-gartered stockings
sexytangerine
Under 30? Like cheap fabrics?
probablyshouldbedoingwork
I mean - who doesn't love cheap fabric - but no I meant being under the age of 30 while existing in a fabric store.
sexytangerine
I see what you mean. I'm always one to pursue the kill them with kindness technique. It catches them off guard. Fuck those old ladies.
nerual13
Under 30 as in less than 30yo is my guess
DeKetsendeRechter
In this economy? Same thing.
sexytangerine
I thought so, too. But if they're a new to the hobby, you prolly dont want to shell out a lot of $$ for fabrics. That's why I asked.
ScientistFromSouth
There was a chess scandal where younger players started entertaining streams to attract new players and some older masters denounced it
transientmind
Chess itself was once considered a frivolous waste of time. https://medium.com/message/why-chess-will-destroy-your-mind-78ad1034521f
Crowscrown
Christianity?
SirenBrick
WOW had this, the free to start update spawned many guilds dedicated to 24/7 quest locking to keep noobs from leaving start zones
gearsfan1549
or like konami did the opposite with yugioh, and make it way more complicated over the years
palmo
Holy shit, some twats got so mad that DND tried to change to not have inherently evil races and make it less problematic.
Dagordae
The only inherently evil races in DND are things like demons. The issue is that people just can’t figure out the alignment system and think
Dagordae
That it’s all binary good/evil when it hasn’t been that way since at least the end of 2e.
drbloodbathmc
Yeah, good/evil are more akin to selfless/selfish imo.
Nicodemusthefirst
That's a pretty good explanation. You're mostly right as well there's probably several exceptions though
HPWombat
Or that DND has become more digital. I play almost exclusively on Dndbeyond and don't use the player's handbook, but I still play!
palmo
I really miss playing in person, but dndbeyond and roll 20 made it more accessible for less gamer friends and during the pandemic. (1
palmo
I get legit angry when I see people in dnd resource groups are playing in person like it's a good thing right now. (2
Irreal
It makes it more problematic to just rush in and stab every hobgoblin you see.
palmo
Right, and maybe it should be. There are good and bad humanoids of all types, but just killing a person cause they're Drow is just racism.
GreenBloodedPointyEaredBastard
I was so embarrassed watching the community complain about a homebrew combat wheelchair existing to the point where creators had to step in
palmo
Holy shit yeah. The gatekeeping for any subculture is awful, but the dnd gatekeeping is the most toxic shit. I'm in this group sharing (1
palmo
Maps and like 90% of it is people shitting on other people because their river is slightly off average behavior.(2
GreenBloodedPointyEaredBastard
It’s a magical fantasy realm not everyone needs complete realism. I can’t draw maps so every time someone makes one they are instantly cool
Nykidemus
that's the thing, D&D hasnt had "inherently evil" for like 20 years, it's just societies that are evil. See, drow. There's a few good drow
Nykidemus
rather famously. And the monster manual says "usually evil" not always evil
Nykidemus
there's nothing wrong with WTOC wanting to expand the traditional villain races into more nuanced approaches, but they made a big deal of it
palmo
Okay, as a POC Drizzt being "one if the guys ones" isn't really that much of an improvement. And Salvatore's work is really really dated.(1
palmo
The monster manual listed as drow stat blocks as various evil while other humanoid stat blocks are listed as any alignment(2
Filanwizard
The bitter old raiders in WoW got all pissy when LFR came out, Like it somehow made their world first Mythics worth less or something.
Tsamane
Some of the bitter old WoW players are acting like that cause of the level squish in SL. 120 (would have been 130) is daunting to a 1/
Tsamane
First time player. 60 feels better, and one expansion to level through before the current is much better.
dnebdal
Didn't they change it this or last expansion so you can level to start-of-exp level within one old expansion of your choice?
Tsamane
It was the in the prepatch of the current expansion. So if you want to say thats BfA or SL its kind if in-between
Filanwizard
As someone who was a progression raider in EQ(in a guild with a few server firsts), And semi serious in WoW for a few years, I never cared.
Filanwizard
I mean its just a video game, And the people at the top end still get better stats on the gear drops anyway and the bragging rights of 1st.
Sibep
Some things in games should be exclusive. Exclusivity breeds desire. Idm LFR but it changed the social aspect of raiding.
Bhargo
guilds did that becoming so exclusive. guild application became stricter than job applications. you know what we did for people who wanted--
Bhargo
to raid in vanilla/tbc? we invited them and gave them a shot. after wotlk you needed a fucking resume to join a raiding guild
Bhargo
besides that, no, it being exclusive doesn't make it better, you just want other people to not have fun too
DrCopperchops
I'll agree with you on that, but putting pandas in WoW was a clear cash grab to get 12 yr olds playing the game
Sibep
If they wanted 12 year olds to start playing Pandas would be the last thing to do that. Pandas probably drove a lot of them away.
Enzek
Pandaren existed since WC3.
Bhargo
pandaren existed since WC3, Chen Stormstout was an important part of the orc campaign in frozen throne.
dnebdal
I don't care about firsts or gear, but it changed the social feel. Logging back in it feels very "shut up and rush bosses"-streamlined.
Bhargo
players did that with how guilds became impossible to join without 10 years raid experience and 20 reference contacts, remember ilevel--
Bhargo
was first used as a gauge because a player made mod that gave player made number scores to items so you could deny people at a glance
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
Just join a guild you like. I run a raid team and our whole feel is just show up, do your best, have fun, don't be a dick
dnebdal
My old guild are still nice enough people, it's just kind of a wasteland outside the guilds now.
Filanwizard
Compared to EQ. WoW kinda always felt like a social wasteland. EQ servers were like small towns and ya knew a lot of people.
keystotheairlock
Leather workers are going through a difficult time of it.
HotSauceEnema
Really I'm new and everyone I've talked to has been amazing.
HotSauceEnema
Like I was insanely taken in how there like so secrets in the craft people just share what works and laugh at flops.
HotSauceEnema
Can you explain?
keystotheairlock
Less demand, less young professional interest. An older friend of mine just retired from it, couldn’t even find someone to buy his tools.
HotSauceEnema
That is crazy, it seems like with the pandemic it's been booming everyday I see first project posts. The reddit discord is always active.
HotSauceEnema
And sorry to spam but if he's still trying to sell some quality old school tools I'll take a look. I heard the older tools are just better
HotSauceEnema
I imagine it probably shifted online but it's such a nice community. And Idk about demand but people been interested in my stuff and . . .
HotSauceEnema
. . . I don't really advertise. I recomend reddit and the discord if you are not there yet those guys are really helpful.
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Lichelf
"Nobody likes 5e" huh, i guess that's why it's more popular than DnD has ever been. It is designed so that you can change/add rules at will.
Irreal
Seems to me like there was always a lot of homebrew in DnD.
tzxAzrael
there's always been a lot of homebrew, and very little of it has been well thought out or good. but that's true of any rpg system, really.
palmo
Yeah, no one likes 5e, must be while DnD is going through a massive revival and it's more popular now than it has ever been before.
Skuggen
As a long time D&D player, I think 5e is the best edition and see zero reason to go back.
Skuggen
Mind, I didn't like 4e much (we had a fun campaign in it, but that was due to a good gm and despite the ruleset, I'd say).
Varenvel
if you mesure popularity as measurement of how good things are why noone is just playing fortnite
palmo
Your now deleted comment was that everyone hates 5e. Now you're arguing what's purely subjective. Basically. You're what's wrong with fandom
palmo
Gatekeeping because other people don't appreciate something the same way that you do. You're the reason there's stigma. Go fuck yourself. (2
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
I don't understand this comment. Lots of people play and enjoy fortnite and not everyone likes the same things and that's why lots of
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
different things are very popular. 8 billion people allows for a lot of different interests
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BeardKnight
Having played both I argue that it's no more or less inflexible than it was but 5e is significantly more streamlined
lonewolf9556
As someone who never played the older versions, I love the DnD 5e. Didn't get into the older versions as they are too math heavy.
tzxAzrael
as someone who HAS playe all of the older versions, i also love 5e. 3.5 is more customizable, 2e is more simple, etc... but 5e does it all
tzxAzrael
AND it does it all pretty well, too.
Dagordae
Sounds like someone’s a shitty GM who can’t handle rule flexibility and needs to be specifically told when things are malleable. I mean, 5e
Dagordae
Is FAR less rule intensive than 3.5 and leaves much more up to DM fiat. And if you didn’t think house rules were everywhere in 3.5, you
Dagordae
Clearly never actually looked up what a nat 20/1 actually entails.
PacificJesus
Nah the mass extent of homebrew now is because WotC refuses to address the massive history of racism and sexism in dnd
Varenvel
PacificJesus
Or Gary gygax quoting a war criminal using racial slurs and talking about the execution of native Americans in reference to why it’s fine
palmo
Except that they are directly addressing both of those too the chagrin of a lot of idiots.
lonewolf9556
Racism? You wanna run that one by me? How can a fantasy world be considered racist?
PacificJesus
Orcs are very heavily black coded both visually and culturally, goblins are based on antisemitic stereotypes, and having evil intelligent
PacificJesus
As a company wizards of the coast has recognized these issues but refused to actively do anything saying its up to players to home brew
PacificJesus
Also Gary gygax has quoted white supremacists and war criminals as justification for pc treatment of “evil” races
shadyproject
HAM Radio for sure.
billyrayvirus
They're bitter that they had to learn Morse Code.
sexytangerine
I was under the impression that HAM radio fans were welcoming and enthusiastic about new ppl being interested. Is that not the case?
BurnThatBridgeAsWeCrossIt
Oh hell no, super tight-knit community. If you step on to the wrong channel they freak out.
BreakablePotato
It is not. They *think* they're welcoming but for every helpful Elmer there's ten weird flakes or bitter old men. I don't go to meets now.
sexytangerine
That's sad. I hear HAM radios are ultimately very useful. It makes me apprehensive to pick it up.
BreakablePotato
Do it but look into SDR and new techs like WSPR. It's the old voice repeaters that are sad or angry seniors. The new stuff is full of...
MoxRavager
Monster Hunter did this and it went from 3 million sales to 16 million.
Bhargo
god listening to idiots act like removing the "so tasty" line from cooking was an insult to their mothers was tiring, add in all the other -
Bhargo
quality of life changes and old guard Monhunt fans would make you believe MHW is a crime against humanity
Hammsammiches
The game? Man, I got about an hour of playtime on that and thought it was the worst game I've ever played. And I have no man's sky!
TheCobb1
Redownloaded nms this year and my god it’s an entirely different game from what it was at launch. Still didn’t like it, but it was better.
TwoAccountsDown
Monster Hunter is a hilarious case because they made Tri easy and it brought people in. Now that World's doing it, the ones who came in with
TwoAccountsDown
third and fourth gen are balking and I have zero sympathy for them. Like, don't be pretending Tri was some kind of hardcore paradise.
Bhargo
the biggest difficulty change is having an actual controller instead of cramping your hands with a portable device
MoxRavager
Are you a freedom unite guy? You sound like a freedom unite kinda guy.
TwoAccountsDown
I've played every once that's come stateside (plus P3rd), which is a shame because I'm taken to understand that Dos is awesome.
ApsychicRat
my brother and i only got world cuz we like the main loop idea but didnt care for grinding out whetstones and shit. world was nice
Rathal0n
MH world is really beginner friendly and might have been a neccesary change for the series.
Rathal0n
But the older version might have been better but that can be nostalgic values aswel
Nicodemusthefirst
The iceborne dlc made it a bit too beginner friendly for everyone who got the game later because iirc there was a weapon added for each clas
Nicodemusthefirst
S in the base game that would allow them to start the iceborne dlc wothout too much of a handicap. Problem was that gear was almost as stron
Nicodemusthefirst
G as some of the late base game gear
Kittynomnoms
I think it was a good mix of beginner friendly but still with a learning curve. I have a friend who couldn't handle it (ragequit at Barroth)
Rathal0n
Always thought Barroth was an easy one....
MagicalHamFlaps
which hobby?
Lulabel73
Quilting
AdamGenesis
Foreskins.
LendLeaseIdentity
Played a couple decent player-count online-only games. The gaming community is mostly shit to newer players. Few exceptions.
ruinobolisk
Yes
Crazywelderguy
I experienced it in rc planes.
kraai
Meccano
Burke616
Yes. The answer to your question is yes.
Wikipedo
Testing bulletproof vests
CorneliusCornwall
Any hobby.
Toofwess
Yes.
case3488
Sports cards. Ruined on many levels
Jondler66
Really??!!!
case3488
Yes, the “flippers” have jacked up the prices and made the hobby about inflated prices rather then the boy of collecting.
failurewithacitrustwist
It's a common move from the insecure. The ones that are credited w being good within the community can b cool. It's the not-so-goods.
caudata
This^ combined with the legit old timers being burned out by the "community" and withdraw to just the hobby itself. Leaving it to be a
caudata
Playground for the puffed chests to pound on the new people.
TakeTheStairs
depends if youre dealing with Americans or not
MyNameIsPer
Weird flex but ok.
caudata
It's been my experience in dog sport training & herpetoculture. The only exceptions I've seen are in aviculture and cactus.
caudata
Granted sport training and herpetoculture are full of money hungry posers; which creates a divisive atmosphere.
DoktorWyvern
Does "herpetoculture" mean reptile keeping? Because you are absolutely correct. Gatekeepers and swindlers are abound when it comes to that.
caudata
Yep, captive reptile & amphibian propagation. You're right, as much as I love the hobby the community is toxic.
DoktorWyvern
I've been in it for years and hadn't heard that name, I feel a bit silly.
endmostchimera127001
Yes.
Ulthirm
When i first started learning to solder for various hobbies, I received no end of gate keeping shit for it.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Even the gatekeepers can't stop gatekeeping each other. But, it is a hobby that involves spending time hunched over in the basement, so...
wormfood
Surfing
G3ologist
Pinball for one.
GunRack
Pinball is having it's biggest moment since the early 90s. The real limitation is increasing cost right now
G3ologist
Have you ever gone to a big tournament? They're like gatekeeping championships.
Ark161
*hand gestures to everything*
detour512
I've heard stories about guided games in Destiny screaming "know what you're doing!!!"
Jayfourke
And they mostly don't know what THEY'RE doing. Look for a good clan instead, better than LFGing.
notacatdefinitelynotacat
I used to do kings fall raid just over and over helping everyone and I loved it, so many impromptu dance parties
Jayfourke
Kings Fall was great fun. Fantastic gear too. Such a long raid though, but it looked and felt amazing.
phillini
Golf.
Kodaxmax
Gatekeeping exists in all communities from the gays to your mothers book club
gorgosaurusrex
I'm assuming Warhammer.
zimirken
Ham radio
transientmind
Banjo-picking. No joke. I seent it.
nosoupforoldmen
In my experience, every hobby
strideo
Well I got into sailing within the last five years and honestly... the community has been great in my experience.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
But seriously, sailors welcome anyone who owns a pair of non-marking shoes.
5hortBu5
And a six pack
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
Yah. We need crew lol
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
The best part for noobs is the entry level is "sit here until we tell you to sit over there, and don't fall out of the boat. Want a beer?"
cbmech7
Pole dancing. You think the bouncers own the place, bastards.
DaMummy
Would you rather have them not care about the place or workers?
pandastrafe
Doesn't have to be the 2 extremes.
DontTellYourMother
thescientists
Alot of them.
TheFrenchGirl
Also all of fandom. How a 15yo could dare ask questions on obscur details you can find in one 70s, out of sales, comic ?
FrogBotherer
CrypticTree
voidtuxic
All of them
ItsAPunderfulworld
Hey now dnd is good about newbies. Almost every group ive dm'ed for has been brand new to the scene, and I'm not in the minority on this
thescientists
When I have played in groups with long time players they constantly rag on 5e and Critical Role and pine on the 2e days. Yet always play 5e
Justapartofyourimagination
You are not. My last group had a few newbies. Was a good time
Snooj
Not guns. Love it or hate it, there's nothing gun owners love more than making new gun owners. At gun shows everyone is amazingly helpful.
bloodydingo
It's because there's plenty of old garbage in guns as a hobby. I avoid talking to people at the range.
Toofwess
Until you use the wrong terminology. Go ahead and call a magazine a clip. Do it.
TheButtKracken
I had an old guy give me shit because I had rails, acog, modified carrier handle, flip up sights ,and sling on my m4. Like, he was disgusted
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Go back to Forever 21 you tacticool mall ninja!
TheButtKracken
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
ThreeLineRifle
Definitely. Most of us want everyone to be safe, come away with everything still functional and happy.
ITradeNewds
theres a reason the term "fudd" exists. most of the younger experienced enthusiasts are usually really nice though.
ArcaneConjecture
They're just being nice to you because you have a gun.
Tarmaccian
Just don’t mention any kind of extra safety locks or ownership limits. That’s when the crazy folks get loud.
ArchangelZeriel
I see you've never been at a firing range where there were disagreements on safe practices.
r0twhylr
Safety isn't about seniority. It's about keeping people un-perforated, and their hearing intact.
BigTex1
In my experience, when that happens it’s not so much about safety as it is one of the two parties is a giant know it all doucher.
Snooj
Is that an old vs. new argument, though? Are safety standards changing?
ArchangelZeriel
Depends on if you have fratboys with ARs at your range who want to blaze away, in my PERSONAL experience.
Repostradamus
It's more of a responsible vs dumbass argument. The basic gun safety principles have remained essentially unchanged.
TheeRealDuke
I've seen it in model trains, 40k, MTG, slot car racing, homebrewing (beer), and gardening.
thelaaaaaw
I miss MTG, used to hang around a local shop with several decks to play with people who aren't familiar.
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
As a gardener and homebrewer - fuck it. I do what I want. Dont like it? Then you don't have to have any of my hazelnutcoffeecaramelchocobrew
TheeRealDuke
But uh... Can I try some of that hcccb? Just mail it as "live yeast cultures."
BaileyAmBull
Photography as well. But oldies being nasty only spurred me on to try harder and prove them wrong. Success was doubly sweet then.
taimaster
Photographers who are assholes are those who think they are photographers. Real ones will teach those learning and give advice or tips.
NarratesTheDarkerStory
Photography for sure. But I only got into it for storm and astrophotography. Both communities are great. But general photography, bleh!
ethanhawkeye
Model trains are awesome but from what I've seen, a lot of the arguments are amongst the old heads while the younger people lurk and enjoy.
TheeRealDuke
I've witnessed this too, and I've also witnessed coveting of "secret" techniques or recipes for like washes, or plaster... Stuff like that.
neosflare
who the fuck is gatekeeping gardening? like are they old and bored?
TheeRealDuke
Old retired folk, in my experience.
HotSauceEnema
What's 40k?
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
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Horsenippleking
Warhammer 40k, miniature war gaming, I like painting the minis but stay away from the actual game
MagicalHamFlaps
i also like painting the mini's but the actual game is a pain for me too. necromunda and blood bowl though....
DoctahSlyPeePee
MTG for sure. It’s earned its reputation rightfully.
jojoyojimbi
i've been playing for 25 yrs, just play commander, let all those netdecking asshats play "competetive" cancer
DoktorWyvern
The Commander format is pretty chill.
BTass
Yes and no. Competitive is cancer, avoid at all cost. Ithink the best thing for the game is the casual EDH format, fun tomsee new ideas.
istealeverythingfromtumblr
Yes and no. If you're talking about any competitive formats, then yes there are assholes, but side events/limited are generally good people
HDSDIWifiGuy
(1) This. I got my 70 year-old dad into it and he even went to the drafts at our local shops. He was slow as hell but most people were very
HDSDIWifiGuy
(2) gracious. Helped that he could build some lethal decks.
Spasjager
Not saying you're wrong but homebrewing is the most welcoming community I've witnessed. Totally down to help sorry someone was shitty to you
Colopty
I don't see why you'd be shitty in homebrewing. Be friendly and now you know someone new who will probably give you free beer in the future.
Surisuule
Ugh, but why would I want *their* beer?/s
Jizanthepus
Homebrew beer community is super friendly. Homebrew wine was a different story for me. Its pronounced Syrah **eye roll**
EdwardReyes
Asked for help and was told "Go away this is for serious home brewers only"
GodEmperorOfImgur
There are ALWAYS gatekeepers.
TheeRealDuke
Not to me, but I've seen it happen. It's popular to shit on DIPAs or whatever trends. Usually by "old guard."
halfhumanhalfpie
Sorry but brut IPAs are fair game for shitting on lol ive found the hb community pretty great tbh
TheeRealDuke
Lolol word. My local brew club has a guy that made 2 10G batches of this barleywine and he aged it in port wine casks. He won second for it
Fuzzynubz
40k?
Bacxaber
Yep. I was told to smear shit on my models before, this hobby is extremely toxic.
Fuzzynubz
CAN be. Plenty of good falls but any thing with a competitive scene had it's shitbags.
Bacxaber
IS. No True Scotsman.
Fuzzynubz
Not familiar with that expression
Bacxaber
Appeal to purity. Informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition.
DVSBSTrD
Oh, this must be the tabletop fanatics. All the fans I talked to online have been super chill. Until you bring up Matt Ward.
untidyhayloft
Do not demean our spiritual liege! /s
INeverWaitForIt
Games Workshop's massive, MASSIVE hard-on for Space Marines is what's killing 40k. Even Space Marines players are getting tired of them.
thewiggins
they could give the sisters an update, the necrons, tau, eldar... nope, superer super space marines...
Kuhmeister
40k what?
malygrim
40k prices noobs out of the game, also hobby shops closing down means nowhere to actually play
LupusLilium
Not just the price, IME, but those who spend time in hobby/comic shops to enjoy 40k. Want to spectate, no problem. Want to ask a player who
LupusLilium
currently isn't in a match about the rules and how the game works? Get treated like shit. 'Go buy the book.' No I won't buy an expensive
LupusLilium
book for a game I have no clue on how it's actually played. Because if it seems boring in the book, I possibly won't enjoy actually playing.
zorlonjones
Exactly where my mind went
TRDirty
40k
bochikiniki
The company is doing that with their prices
DLOBREWSKY
The tournament scene 100% the same with MTG. People need to stop being so curt for making small mistakes and for any sign of weakness
Youhavinagiraffe
Pretty much anything that has lots of dudes with a chip on their shoulder as a large portion of the fanbase
MattAustin86
40k, AoS, Blood Bowl, Warmachine, you name it this problem exists.
MottledWoulfe
Those first three are the same company?
MattAustin86
They also have the biggest communities thus attract the most salt.
MyBallsTouchTheWaterWhenIPoop
Card collectors get really arrogant as well
blackguard89
nah thats just Games Workshop with 40k
Lilsmext
Boomer 40k players are dickheads and unwilling to tolerate new players
Fuzzynubz
Not very many boomer 40k players tbh. Plenty of is GenXers tho
Lilsmext
I don't know what's worse
Fuzzynubz
Why's that?
DickDastardly404
Nah, what? I started back up with 40k last year after an absence so long I might as well have been brand new, and everyone on the 1/2
DickDastardly404
Forums and reddits have been super cool. They’re SO against bullying or shitting on new people on the r/modelmaking forum that someone 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
Posted a beautifully painted model saying something like “its a bit shit, but its my first 40k model” and I jokingly called them a 1.75/2
DickDastardly404
Liar (about the being shit part) and I got a 3 day ban lol. They are beyond supportive in the 40k fandom in my experience 2/2
mycatsnameisglitch
I love that this is too comment with just "40k?"
RHodeidra
40k
Kodaxmax
nah 40ks bigger than ever. giving away the IP to anyone with a unity account did wonders for spreading awareness
Dagordae
Gatekeepers are a plague on every hobby.
fluger
As an old hobbyist trying to get my kids into it, I automatically assumed this meme was about 40k.
MotorboatFantastic
I think every fandom has its toxic assholes, if you follow 40k as a tag on this very site, people are always sharing advice and paintin tips
MotorboatFantastic
And yes it may be expensive, but a box of minis is (in uk) generally £25-35, and will probably take a month to put together and paint
MotorboatFantastic
So if it is your hobby then its bo more expensive than many others, hell, smoking weed costs more than that
chicmagnetwampa1
I have found it happens more often with WH: Fantasy vs Age of Sigmar. Old World stans are the fucking worst
Braytac
Some of those fans have moved to kings of war.... the amount of bashing and tantrums they trow is sickening. almost threw me off KoW
Zaruzen
Any team game?
Zixtank
Any game with a high number of veteran players.
RednapxpandeR
I tried to learn what was going on in a game once. Boy, that was a bad idea asking questions. Ironically, same with DnD. Haven’t tried again
johnvictor
Nah, the company is doing it with a glut of Primaris Marine releases and just pricing the hell out of many potential new players.
JackSnare
What ever you do, don’t mention liking Primaris, or the Ultra Marines... Or do, angry fans can be amusing.
Unbarring
That how expensive it is,i LOVE both universes [both scifi and Fantasy] but i can never get myself into tabletop
DionysianMask
http://www.armyguysgame.com/ go to the dollar store
SiegwardOfCatarina
Yeah. Plus ya know... friends... I wish they would do VTT for it. But most of their money comes from the models.
TheMandoCalrissian
Tabletop Simulator has tons of fan made 40k resources for fully 3d and manipulatable battles
Bmxtucker
For free!!!! Also r/lfg is for D&D groups it’s enjoyable but not as fun as being at the table.
KillerTurtlez42
There is a full discord for it that has it's own tournaments and pick up games that is very noob friendly. Mainly 40k though.
DickDastardly404
Yeah bro, try necromunda or killteam for 40k, or bloodbowl or warcry for fantasy. They’re skirmish game modes and you need like 10x 1/2
DickDastardly404
Fewer models, so you can buy singles off ebay or whatever for way cheaper, instead of dropping £35 on various boxes. But the best 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
Thing is that the games are actually really good. Full size warhammer 40k is honestly just kind of a shit game. Ive been playing it a 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
Lot over lockdown on tabletop sim, and its a ludicrously complex and irritating game with literally decades of feature creep. 2/2
Immathrowawayyeet
You can try out Tabletop simulator. They have a bunch of stuff in the steam workshop you can download and try out.
mt77932
I buy most of my stuff off Ebay. It's usually much cheaper.
Monsignore
I've hovered on the buy now-button on a few sec hand, painted 40K armies. But I know that shit would be like heroin for me.
mt77932
As someone who has played for well over 20 years, I don't want to think about how much I have spent.
drbloodbathmc
I want to get into it, I have my army chosen and partially planned out, but I don’t have any friends who play.
Fuzzynubz
You're missing out.
RadioSilenceDW
Its not quite the proper thing but theres Tabletop Simulator, its a pretty good way
RaelBrewster
Second hand warhammer is your friend if you want to get jnto the hobby. Facebook selling sites and gumtree are saviours.
barnwolf
I think there are a lot of hobbies where the experienced people like to act elitist.
barnwolf
Maybe not specific hobbies, but there will probably always be people like that in any hobby.
Treblaine
"it's NOT expensive, it's better value than ever!"
SailorJimmy
Came for the memes, stayed for the satisfaction of painting miniatures.
MattScifiBandit
My experience with 40k, at least here, is very noob friendly. Painting and tabletop both
Bacxaber
No it isn't. Nooooooooooooo it fucking isn't. Hate and elitism abound.
reverendmalerik
My experience of 40k, in 1997, was brutal. Older players lived to crush kids dreams and belittle them. GW employees hated noobs SO MUCH.
MattScifiBandit
Rough. I personally find no fun at all in noob stomping. But unfortunately it is common in all games.
reverendmalerik
I had a staff member get the whole bad guy side of the table in one of their big games pick on me because I killed his greater demon. Fun :(
MachineInterface
If you think 40k's bad, wait till you meet ASL players.
MachineInterface
(Advanced Squad Leader, extremely crunchy [some would say "bloated"] WWII wargame that has existed since 1985)
Fuzzynubz
American sign language?
reverendmalerik
Age/sex/location? Sounds like my kind of game!
GingerLaird
I came up with an idea to minimize cost to buying one set, then 3D printing bases with labelled symbols. Apparently it's against >>
GingerLaird
>> regulations because it affects line-of-sight, due to the lack of a physical mini.
smax410
I mean that or they don’t make any money so they write a rule against it rather than a clarification for LoS
GingerLaird
I totally understand the idea of making money. Buy a set, and you get a code for a league-approved 3d-printable well-detailed base.
KramitTheFrog
You can check out Star Wars: Legion for this type of "poorhammer" play. They have a standard silhouette rule that would make it usable.
Taltaron
Poorhammer, best thing I've read today. +1 good frog!
KramitTheFrog
Oh dude poorhammer is a lifestyle! Go check out r/poorhammer
DarthDrizzt42
It's against the regulations because that's one more mini you aren't buying.
Gdaddylurch
Didn't really come up with the idea if there are rules against it now did ya?
GingerLaird
I was only looking into the game. If I was gonna play, I'd budget for it.
gorgosaurusrex
Also the game would look terrible without painted minis on the table. Might as well use paper cutouts for terrain lol
GingerLaird
Fool; You do not know the detail of which a simple base can hold. Look at the one ring. How simple it is, and yet even Gandalf fears it.
aluminumfoil3789
Um excuse me sir but have you seen old school white dwarf? All terrain was paper cut out back then. They had tutorials on how to make.
gorgosaurusrex
I meant using a flat circle of paper with "hill" written on it to represent elevation. I actually have a set of 4th ed WHFB paper buildings!
dickable
I mean, you could just 3d print the actual minis, too. It'd be a more involved design, but you could do it.
GingerLaird
I was also thinking of storage space. I'd have one of each original mini I use in one case, and their printed-base counterparts in other. >>
GingerLaird
>> Using just bases, you could stack a couple unit sets in a pog container, and with the room your saving you could carry a massive army. >>
FloodingWaters
oh, the minis are too expensive? have you tried 3-d printing to save money?
dickable
All I'm saying is, a Chaos Land Raider ran me ~$200 20 years ago. You could absolutely 3d print the sprues for less.
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
The accuracy both pleases and infuriates the Void Dragon of The C’tan
Cyanide555
Love that model. Don't play neceons though so thankfully won't be spending on it.
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
I just like it’s wonky lore. Where it may actually be the Omnisiah since it’s sealed in Mars. Also that it has a soft spot for kids ha ha
StealThisRepost
Just started painting that.
sexytangerine
Is that pronounced sea-tan or k-tan?
ThanatosElNyx
I've also heard Say-tan but it was always Sea-Tan for me.
Fenix12549
I've always pronounced it k-tan
JohnBlevins
Theres no I, E, or Y to make it an S sound. Unless I just missed something it should be pronounced K-tan
jormundr
I pronounce it like satan
Bacxaber
You're pronouncing it wrong then.
sexytangerine
Oh. I see. Cool! :) Thanks!
jormundr
I should go ahead and warn you, I do this because it’s the worst way to pronounce it and I think that’s funny.
Bacxaber
He's wrong, it's k-tan.