They actually won't do a single fucking thing. Just bitch like they did for his first 4 years and say things are unprecedented. Lame ducks the lot of em. The supreme court delivered this authoritarianism.
This only works if the government (Senators, Representatives, Justice) are willing to do its job: govern according to the rule of law (I.e. the Constitution). Every day we see brazen/illegal abuse of power, unchallenged by those voted/sworn but unwilling (looking the other way) to uphold the Constitution.
Punish him by ruining his legacy? Do you really think he cares about his legacy? I don't. The only thing he cares about is immediate power because that's what's currently keeping him out of prison.
Ya know, when societies collapse why is it the rich get to keep their stolen money? Your have all this old wealth that never has to answer and never loses. We need to take back what's rightfully ours
In this country, a citizen who defends himself is immediately labeled a terrorist by the government or at least denigrated as a bad person. That's how far it has come. Innocent citizens are persecuted, hunted down, and shot.
This is what I wanted Biden to do. This is what Biden SHOULD have done. Instead, he pretended like the threat had passed and went back to business as usual. I don't want to hear another person talk about him being a good president, he is an abject failure and should be remembered as such.
"all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Fuck you Joe Biden.
We gotta be like Bane in The Dark Knight Rises. “You’re punishment must be more severe. We will destroy your regime. Then, when it is in ashes… then you have my permission to die.”
Not just that. Because doing that will just take things back to how they were. You have to go beyond just the opposite, as only then will things actually improve.
Well, it took the right about 60 - 70 years to manage what they have done now. As most of this stuff started being worked on to roll stuff back, since the civil rights movement happened.
No, take him out first. He is the cult leader, they are just loyal followers. He can watch as they are all systematically taken out on Fox news from Mar-A-Lago. Vance doesn't have the charisma to control the cult. As shitty as Vance is, he at least has some semblance of a brain and won't just burn the world down so he can be king of the ashes. He knows if he wants to stand a chance in 2028, he has to moderate himself somewhat.
That's the thing they're loyal followers, they defend him. Take them out (he won't defend them, if anything he'll throw them under the bus) and when they're gone he's only got his own incompetent self for defense.
Seriously. People obsess too much about both making him suffer, and conversely about restoring and following the process to a T with him for a show. Rituals. Circus. And maybe because of this it remains a fantasy. It's putting a cart before the horse for one.
It just takes one unceremonial pop per fascist head.
They don't deserve any kind of ceremony or ritual to make a show out of punishing them, it just reinforces how important they think they are. Remove them from society as expediently as possible and be done with it. If you need catharsis, piss on their graves after they've been dealt with.
You understand that a lot of people got leniency at Nuremberg, right? And that many members of Nazi High Command were spared and put in charge of running the New German Government. They only really charged the worst of the worst and let the rest go. Because, as they put it, you can't arrest an entire country.
Yes, because they needed people to lead Germany, and the only Germans who could do that were shockingly Nazis during the war. And that remained the case for a couple of decades after the war. Because the Hitler Youth were a thing, meaning that even many of the wartime children were part of it.
Oh, no excuses other than the ones that were used at the time. And the problematic reality of dealing with an entire nation of Nazis. It makes it really hard to find people to run the country for 20ish years who aren't Nazis, and then it takes another 20ish years to find people who weren't raised by Nazis. And at that point they didn't really care about the Nazis anymore, they saw them as a solved problem, and moved onto the Soviet issue. We are dealing with their sloppy handling of that now.
That one really didn't work out like people think it did. As they killed off the Monarchy only to replace it with a man who made Himself Emperor, that then waged war with all of Europe and replaced the Euopena royals with his own family members. So from a get rid of the rich and powerful and the corrupt, it was an utter failure.
And there were like 15 mini revolutions that happened during it. As people kept not liking the revolutionary governments that tried to form. And well, they took their heads off as well. Because once you decide that killing people you don't agree with politically is a solution, it's really hard to break free of that habit when people start trying to make a new government and system. The French Revolution basically ended with a military coup.
I remember being all excited for the new Obama administration to investigate & prosecute members of the Bush administration, & still burn with anger over his decision not to do anything in order to "move forward, not look back". I'm terrified to see it again: a normie, DNC hack as the next president and not a single one of these evil fucks will face a judge
"They go low we go high, and by high I don't mean treat them fairly in according to the law but treat them in the way that minimizing their lying about being unfair."
The way things are going, you can rest easy it wont happen. What WILL happen is a succession of Kings. They already have the line worked out for the next ten years.
Newsom would pick up the reins and continue doing the same bullshit, just in his own brand. Newsom is a tech bro lover and corporate billionaire buddy, he is bought and paid for already, and does not have the American people’s interests at heart.
No one intelligent wants Vance, but Newsom is just liberal-flavored Trump.
Yeah Gavin is not our friend. He is an old school GOP. But people love him because he is able to be brash like Trump. But he keeps betraying the people, over and over again.
Not US here, I am far away from you guys and don't have the insight on Newsom. From here, he looks like a good guy. What has he done wrong? Seriously asking, I have no idea.
He as the Gov of CA has killed multiple laws for his state that would have greatly helped. He just killed a billionaire tax, he killed the CA Medicare for All and more. On his personal podcast he has platformed multiple right wing extremists, without challenging their position. He is acting like a right wing person manipulating the left for support. People like him because he is willing to be like Trump and be bombastic, but this is just a part of the grift.
hamulusrex
They actually won't do a single fucking thing. Just bitch like they did for his first 4 years and say things are unprecedented. Lame ducks the lot of em. The supreme court delivered this authoritarianism.
EricPisch
darrowcd
This only works if the government (Senators, Representatives, Justice) are willing to do its job: govern according to the rule of law (I.e. the Constitution). Every day we see brazen/illegal abuse of power, unchallenged by those voted/sworn but unwilling (looking the other way) to uphold the Constitution.
SirLantsBojangles
You can't revive Renee Good. Some things don't have undo buttons.
WoodORama
Remove everyone appointed by him. All judges and Supreme Court judges.
quietwalker
Instead of impeach, give 'em the kirk treatment.
tentaclefriendly
Trump is not going to live out his presidency. He has a few months at best.
Every member of his administration however should go to jail forever
RedSkizzers
Evil never dies.
DancesWithHippos
He could watch that while impeached and removed, y'know.
SpartaWolf117
may diaper don end up alone, forgotten, and sitting in a pile of his own shit
Targe0
May he live to be forgotten.
igetit41
Punish him by ruining his legacy? Do you really think he cares about his legacy? I don't. The only thing he cares about is immediate power because that's what's currently keeping him out of prison.
Becker37
Ya know, when societies collapse why is it the rich get to keep their stolen money? Your have all this old wealth that never has to answer and never loses. We need to take back what's rightfully ours
TomWest61
In this country, a citizen who defends himself is immediately labeled a terrorist by the government or at least denigrated as a bad person. That's how far it has come. Innocent citizens are persecuted, hunted down, and shot.
Diablito69
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RedSkizzers
This is what I wanted Biden to do. This is what Biden SHOULD have done. Instead, he pretended like the threat had passed and went back to business as usual. I don't want to hear another person talk about him being a good president, he is an abject failure and should be remembered as such.
"all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
Fuck you Joe Biden.
Nanntuckett
We gotta be like Bane in The Dark Knight Rises. “You’re punishment must be more severe. We will destroy your regime. Then, when it is in ashes… then you have my permission to die.”
Schtauffen
can you RICO the govt?
Matt1son1014
Yes very much so
cousteau
AND Trump.
rmichelsen480
Put him in the oval office, lock the door, disconnect phones and Internet.
Velorex
Anti project 2025, just do the opposite of what it wants
Targe0
Not just that.
Because doing that will just take things back to how they were.
You have to go beyond just the opposite, as only then will things actually improve.
Velorex
Anti project 2025 has to be done at min, i've heard of estimates that it would take 70+years to undo the damage the trump admin is doing.
Targe0
Well, it took the right about 60 - 70 years to manage what they have done now.
As most of this stuff started being worked on to roll stuff back, since the civil rights movement happened.
hightechpirate
Okay but how? Sounds great but easier said than done.
cgt9803
That would require Dems with fortitude, not the timid corrupt corporatists many of them are.
SavageDrums
You need to do a lot more than that. Your foundational documents and laws need to be rebuilt from scratch, or this will all happen again.
You need to take control of the wealth and distribute it to the people if you want to solve any of this long term.
7777uuuuuu
left cant bear facism lest it is of their own doing.
NotedNuance
Well... first things first
ImHereToGetDownvotes
No, take him out first. He is the cult leader, they are just loyal followers. He can watch as they are all systematically taken out on Fox news from Mar-A-Lago. Vance doesn't have the charisma to control the cult. As shitty as Vance is, he at least has some semblance of a brain and won't just burn the world down so he can be king of the ashes. He knows if he wants to stand a chance in 2028, he has to moderate himself somewhat.
meme2zombie
That's the thing they're loyal followers, they defend him. Take them out (he won't defend them, if anything he'll throw them under the bus) and when they're gone he's only got his own incompetent self for defense.
Hatsodoom
Replace "impeach" with "execute".
BilltheCatisBack
Sounds like something the INS would do to liberals.
mikeatike
You had "impale" right there. :)
LicensedAdHominem
Seriously. People obsess too much about both making him suffer, and conversely about restoring and following the process to a T with him for a show. Rituals. Circus. And maybe because of this it remains a fantasy. It's putting a cart before the horse for one.
It just takes one unceremonial pop per fascist head.
doctorId
They don't deserve any kind of ceremony or ritual to make a show out of punishing them, it just reinforces how important they think they are. Remove them from society as expediently as possible and be done with it. If you need catharsis, piss on their graves after they've been dealt with.
FaecalJacksonPollock
Kinetic impeachment.
Minoes
At this point I wouldn't mind watching them suffer for a bit.
NooPogodi
But I'd be fine if they just snapped out of existence
SnarfyMcSnarferson
Ive been snapping my finger but nothing working
NooPogodi
Do you have 6 gems?
chaylar
i collect rocks, let me tape some to my hand. you'll know if it worked.
Clockworkdancerobot
Nuremberg every fucking one of them
mmmerf1
That would be a kindness that they do not deserve.
Rips4w
Nah. Mossberg them.
oriyagi
And charge those from January 6th with treason and the appropriate punishment. We didn't punish the South enough, and we should fix that this time
AShartInTheWind
Nuremberg didn't happen without a lot of violence happening first.
Targe0
You understand that a lot of people got leniency at Nuremberg, right?
And that many members of Nazi High Command were spared and put in charge of running the New German Government.
They only really charged the worst of the worst and let the rest go.
Because, as they put it, you can't arrest an entire country.
tidepool
Okay? Better than hand wringing and hoping all new politicians don’t do it again even though no one faced consequences.
Targe0
I would hope for a better option, where the guilty are actually dealt with.
Not just making a show of it and moving on.
AShartInTheWind
A bunch of those Nazis ended up in command positions at NATO as well.
Targe0
Yes, because they needed people to lead Germany, and the only Germans who could do that were shockingly Nazis during the war. And that remained the case for a couple of decades after the war.
Because the Hitler Youth were a thing, meaning that even many of the wartime children were part of it.
AShartInTheWind
Making a lot of excuses for putting Nazi generals in command. Adolf Heusinger was the fucking Chair of the NATO Military Committee.
Targe0
Oh, no excuses other than the ones that were used at the time.
And the problematic reality of dealing with an entire nation of Nazis.
It makes it really hard to find people to run the country for 20ish years who aren't Nazis, and then it takes another 20ish years to find people who weren't raised by Nazis. And at that point they didn't really care about the Nazis anymore, they saw them as a solved problem, and moved onto the Soviet issue. We are dealing with their sloppy handling of that now.
darkninja2992
French revolution is also acceptable
Targe0
That one really didn't work out like people think it did.
As they killed off the Monarchy only to replace it with a man who made Himself Emperor, that then waged war with all of Europe and replaced the Euopena royals with his own family members.
So from a get rid of the rich and powerful and the corrupt, it was an utter failure.
Pala2
Also, it took more than 10 years
Targe0
And there were like 15 mini revolutions that happened during it.
As people kept not liking the revolutionary governments that tried to form.
And well, they took their heads off as well. Because once you decide that killing people you don't agree with politically is a solution, it's really hard to break free of that habit when people start trying to make a new government and system. The French Revolution basically ended with a military coup.
BilltheCatisBack
Don’t forget they replaced him either another king.
LittleChickadee
I remember being all excited for the new Obama administration to investigate & prosecute members of the Bush administration, & still burn with anger over his decision not to do anything in order to "move forward, not look back". I'm terrified to see it again: a normie, DNC hack as the next president and not a single one of these evil fucks will face a judge
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
Lol we’re not gonna have anymore dem presidents, at least for another 20-30 years
meme2zombie
"They go low we go high, and by high I don't mean treat them fairly in according to the law but treat them in the way that minimizing their lying about being unfair."
Dyamonde
The way things are going, you can rest easy it wont happen. What WILL happen is a succession of Kings. They already have the line worked out for the next ten years.
cgt9803
And fuck Merrick Garland and Biden's establishment milquetoast DOJ. You had four years to deal with this pissed it away.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
You're scared of a Gavin Newsom administration, mate.
I am, too.
custardandfishfingers24
Then support AOC. She'd fix us.
Livetinydienever
Indo! Just sayin this is the old Biden vs Trump garbage. One is a fucking Nazi.
Livetinydienever
Oh you're scared?! Vance or newsom pick now buddy and see which one of those people justify a genocide
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Primaries are a thing, dumdum. Calm down.
bantern
Newsom would pick up the reins and continue doing the same bullshit, just in his own brand. Newsom is a tech bro lover and corporate billionaire buddy, he is bought and paid for already, and does not have the American people’s interests at heart.
No one intelligent wants Vance, but Newsom is just liberal-flavored Trump.
DSREX
Yeah Gavin is not our friend. He is an old school GOP.
But people love him because he is able to be brash like Trump.
But he keeps betraying the people, over and over again.
iWantedAcoolNameButTheyOnlyHadThisOne
Not US here, I am far away from you guys and don't have the insight on Newsom. From here, he looks like a good guy. What has he done wrong? Seriously asking, I have no idea.
FortifiedWhine
Hes not the person authoring all those memes in his name thats for sure. Just good PR.
DSREX
He as the Gov of CA has killed multiple laws for his state that would have greatly helped.
He just killed a billionaire tax, he killed the CA Medicare for All and more.
On his personal podcast he has platformed multiple right wing extremists, without challenging their position.
He is acting like a right wing person manipulating the left for support.
People like him because he is willing to be like Trump and be bombastic, but this is just a part of the grift.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Does a bunch of right-wing stuff and acts just like Trump, yepyep.
And yet I get shit on half the time when I call him bluetrump :D