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https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1384527339590242304?s=19
For reference, that's Liz Cheney of Wyoming behind and to her right. Wyoming is less populous than DC by a lot.
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
Disband and replace the republicunts with fucking Vermin Supreme. Quality of life would still improve.
DudeThatsRacist
The population argument is the weakest one. It should be defeated and they should have to move on. Don't let the R's control the argument.
HonestCommentFarmer
I mean, coupled with the Revolutionary rallying cry of "No taxation without representation," it's fairly persuasive.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
"But how could D.C. be a state when it has no mining and forest?"
qwerty1418
Can't forget it's tragic lack of car dealerships, the most critical part of being a state
TimeFoDat
DC has more people than Wyoming and Vermont.
TonightsSpecialGuest
Los Angeles County has a higher population (10.04 million) than all of these states combined:
TonightsSpecialGuest
So Republicans can just cry about 700,000 more people gaining 2 senators representation.
DarkwingDuc
Wyoming and Vermont both have less citizens than DC. It's inarguably a state-sized population without federal representation.
smax410
DC has a higher population than Vermont and Wyoming. I believe that state rep behind her is from Vermont.
smax410
No I’m an idiot. That’s Liz Cheney from Wyoming.
SmashySashimi
FOR THE LAST TIME: LAND DOESN’T VOTE.
yingjun
Right? Wyoming doesnt have sufficient population to be a state.
KorbenDallasMultipass
They have more people than Pennsylvania did in 1776.
areis30
Survey the people of DC and make them all say they would vote rep if they become a State. They'll be a State within 1 week with rep majority
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
@OP in my eyes DC statehood is required given the shitshow that was DC NG activation on Jan 6.
twindoodley
And D.C. has MORE PEOPLE THAN WYOMING AND VERMONT.
CraftyGiant
Republicans lie, people die.
MikeReese9
Boo, you used logic and facts, no fair!!
TremendousDude5
They know the majority in DC leans democrat, if DC becomes a state GOPers can get pulverized in future elections
smirkinchicken
Why are they against people getting a say? Seriously? Can't fit another star on the flag? Too many minorities? Too dark at night?
GlenL
Republicans are aggressively stupid people.
trippingthelightfantastic
TheSonAndHeirOfNothingInParticular
Who is this useless twatwaffle talking here? Make DC a state, merge the Dakotas, and they don't even have to change the flag.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
DC and Puerto Rico both need to be states, but they won't be because Republicans know they lean heavily Democratic.
Casually
Even if she weren't lying she would still be speaking in favor of taxation without representation.
pattyymac
wisher1977
Someone needs to spill some Tea in the harbor and get shit started again LOL
wekilledbambi03
The Tea Party (modern movement not the historic event) was basically a beta test for Maga people.
iimplodethings
The GOP tends to drop the second part of that and just go with "no taxation" (except of poor people)
pattyymac
Why should THEY get to keep all their pennies when the billionaires have to try so hard to keep from being taxed out of millions??? /s
mydisciplesarelegion
Disenfranchisement is a Republican staple. They’ve been ok with taxation without representation for a long time.
SmellingMistake
I mean conservatives are the people who would have been loyal to England during the revolution.
DocMilsap
And on the flip side, they’re also ok with representation (of corporations and the 1%) without taxation
RizzleMeThis
The party of invoking the founding fathers seems to run from their actual words.
ReaperCDN
That's because they're fascists and just spread lies to gain power. They don't govern. They grift and steal tax money.
Grandolddrummer
Kinda fitting since their religious tenets are just for decoration too.
DestinyPrevails
Sadly, the actual words of the US founders also include slavery and only votes for white, landholding men. Don't deify them too much.
Casually
I don't deify anyone and if I were to the founding fathers would be way down the list.
DestinyPrevails
Fair. The usual US opinion is that they were people to admire uncritically and heed their every word. But I must have misread your tone.
DulothX
Just to be clear, taxation without representation was always just a talking point. We were offered representation and still rebelled.
texasinja1718
We had representation I believe just no power to vote on legislation like Puerto Rico now. They’re called non-voting members
DulothX
We were offered seats in parliament, voting seats, but rebelled anyway. They knew that Britain's higher number of votes would push (1)
DulothX
any agenda they wanted; like forcing the colonies to pay for the war they started; through, and simply wanted independence.(2/2)
texasinja1718
Yeah but taxation without representation sounds so much better
pooplloser
Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska and North Dakota are all below 800k population along with DC, we should just take statehood away from them.
zanaria
They are against everything that makes life better or easier...
analnipple666
Well yeah because they won't be the ones who'd have to deal with the consequences. Something about FiScaLLy CoNseRvAtiVe etc etc.
zanaria
Their voters are the real idiots though, voting for them just to "hurt the libs" even though it hurts them just as much
jwillywill
ThailandExpress
https://statehood.dc.gov/page/why-statehood-dc
Einherion
I think, not that you asked, that I would rather see the whole country redrawn than add another tiny state. I hate how small some states are
Einherion
It's like...what the fuck rhode island...how do you exist.
BioGoji1989
If Rhode Island can be a state... why not D.C. ?
Einherion
I think you misunderstood. I don't like RI as a state either.
qwerty1418
I'd love to see a radical redesign of stuff like that too, but its just not remotely feasible so we're stuck with it for now.
DrForester
All republicans are cunts.
LordofSandvich
Would it be sociopathy? Politically, this is a winning move for them (short-term), they just don't care about long-term consequences
filben7
In florida they literally had the sherrifs saying people cant come to florida and vote "wrong" as they sign more anti left protester bills.
AlltheSarcasm87
That's like our education system admitting a lot of right answers are just Right(wing-conservative) narratives...
ChefBrooke7029
Yep
BootsDusty
FrolickingFrolicking
Republicans added a ton of empty red states, 2 senators each time. But ANY suggestion of puerto rico or DC, “HELL NO! I HATE DEMOCRACY”
bob3dod
Fun Fact #2: If your state has more Senators than House Reps then your federal level vote counts more than other peoples.
afatrollofmyown
It burns my biscuit that 1 Wyoming senator reps about 400,000 people but one Cali senator is 20,000,000
bob3dod
Representative democracy in action. And then there's the Electoral College...
bob3dod
Fun Fact #3: Vermont has more IPA varieties than people. Maybe not a Fact but it feels like it when you don't want an IPA.
bob3dod
Exactly the meme we were looking for!
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afatrollofmyown
YOu jest, but there is a movement for this, especially WFH tech types to move to Alaska, Wyoming and the Dakotas. 1/
afatrollofmyown
Only 30,000 people are required in each to vote to swing a state to a blue senator.
DavidBrooker
Fun fact: Oklahoma, with 3,850,568 people and 4,300,000 cattle, is the largest state with more cows than people.
bob3dod
"Oooooooooooklahoma! Where the wind... aw fuck what did I just step in..."
n0n53n53
OK
RayGiIIette
The only thing we have going for us is how pretty the Southaastern corner is.
RayGiIIette
Well that's not how I typed it but fuck me.
DavidBrooker
(Alberta, Canada, has Oklahoma beat, though, with 5.2 million cattle versus 4.4 million people)
Mimsey
Alberta, Canada also covers 3.5 times as much area as Oklahoma: 256k square miles vs 70k square miles.
DavidBrooker
(For some reason I felt compelled: Queensland, Australia has Alberta beat: 5.2 million people and 10.5 million cattle)
Mimsey
Queensland is also 2.8 times broader than Alberta: 715k square miles vs 256k square miles.
cainofdreaming
And what about sheep?
SmashySashimi
OH yeah?! Well- ...I drink A LOT OF MILK!!!
Mimsey
And if you go by population density: Oklahoma = 54.7 people per square mile. Alberta = 15 people per square mile. Queensland = 7.5 people.
Clockworkdancerobot
So why do they think people in DC should not get representation?
1998wasthepinnacleofexistance
pm1001
Would tip the Senate, that and puerto rico
Ryyyyyyyan
Because they're Black.
stolenmemepolice1
Because the GOP would never win again, to many poor non GOP voters that cannot contend with. GOP fucked with millennials, and we are crazy.
SirJamesMonster42
Duh, cuz it's mostly black. Republicans have all but taken off the mask and put on the hood. Fox News has.
Caldersson
It's 47% black, 45%white. It's really because dc would be solid blue and tip the favor to dems
SirJamesMonster42
Overall, AfrAmericans make up roughly 13% of the US population, so any electoral district with those numbers is one the Rs want to wreck.
CoarseAndSalty
Because they won't vote for them.
DrForester
They would probably vote Demcorat, and republicans think people who don't join their cult shouldn't have rights
Commentmeister
Hawaii used to be red and Alaska used to be blue, things change
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
That is almost verbatim from the congressional hearings on the statehood matter. Statehood would also allow DC control of it's own budget.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
Whitch it does not have, also why the progressive laws passed in DC get limbo-ed by the finance committees . Laws passed by citizens. Unfund
StatmanIbrahimovic
"probably" the most a republican presidential candidate has ever gotten in DC is 15% iirc
Anju42
I feel like that should tell us something since people living in DC are closer to all these people and the history there.
HairySweatNoodle
So your saying people in DC have contracted the scummy politics fuck virus? Shall we quarantine the entire area and bomb it?
YouThinkThatsBad
Yeah, Trump got like 7%. It was beautiful.
YouCheckedTheUsernameHaveACookie
The founders thought any state with the seat of national government would have too much power, but nowadays it's more partisan
afatrollofmyown
So instead, let's make sure West Virginia and Wyoming have too much power.
WesVTX
https://www.history.com/news/washington-dc-statehood-reconstruction
dReDone
Really interesting. Thanks.
QuiteADapperAsshole
Originally, I think it was so the capitol, having all the important stuff in it, wouldn't get unfair advantages of the state housing it. 1/
QuiteADapperAsshole
Not sure if it was ever meant to be housing a lot of citizens. Idk the logic. Obviously anywhere without representation will have people 2/
QuiteADapperAsshole
In it thus with representation. However, reps now hate the idea because DC is probably democratic. Dems like it for the same reason. 3/3
QuiteADapperAsshole
Fuck. Thus without* representation
SisterMidnight
Why is it a problem for anyone for DC residents to get the same representation as every other American citizen?
Rhenthalin
Because Pennsylvania mustered a militia against the Feds as it occupied their land. Figured the feds should have their own thing as a result
PunIshErnest
I think there is a set number of senators, some states would lose some of new state joined
ZachariasWolfe
I'm in favor of it being rezoned so that people don't live there and it's actually just the capitol as originally intended.
DangerTrain
Not Republican.
lwoshea
"BeCaUsE bLaCk PeOpLe LiVe In Dc!" - G.O.P.
rubypilgrim
Founders. DC was deliberately denied statehood because was the seat of gov't. Fear of undue power. ppl of dc still need representation.
afatrollofmyown
We do have undue power, and that's why DC should be a state. Wyoming has more power than Cali and Joe Manchin exists as well.
rubypilgrim
oh boy don't get me started :D I do believe states should have equal representation - unfair, but we can't have california and texas -
rubypilgrim
always making all the decisions for everyone. It's gerrymandering that has to go. woops looks like I got started sorry!
rubypilgrim
we have a lot of ills to combat. astonishing when we can't even agree that everyone should have food, water, shelter, health care, etc.
DavidBrooker
Republicans don't like it because DC votes Democrat. That's it, that's all. Disenfranchisement is easier than actually representing 1/2
DavidBrooker
American views and values. 2/2
SillyZombie
Because they vote democrat. The end
derthric
As a Rhode Islander, they would become the smallest state, and then we would be the next Delaware, no one wants that. /s
RoughLikeYourMotherLikesItTrebek
Only valid argument I have seen.
CarlottaVonSprockett
Because then the song lyrics “Fifty nifty United States” wouldn’t work anymore! /s
InoffensivePablum
It’s full of...”Democrats”.
Dracon27
Republicans don't want more Democratic states added unless Republican ones are too. Like Slave and Free states in old times.
rando84
They’re Democrats. Republicans can’t say that though, so you hear lots of convoluted rationalizations about the Constitution, the founders(1
rando84
intent, urban domination of rural people (the reverse is somehow fine though), DC becoming “too powerful,” etc. etc. (2
buttcreambandit
Well it would be at least 3 electoral college votes, most likely 2 democratic senators and probably 1 democratic house member. Republicans
buttcreambandit
Do not want that.
mcginger72
I'm pretty sure it already has the 3 electoral college votes, but it would add 2 senators and 1 house rep
buttcreambandit
Ah ya you’re right.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
It shouldn't be considering the tax rate in DC(alot). Point of debate, sue to suspend taxes until taxation without representation is ended.
AeonQuasars
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
I like this alot.
AeonQuasars
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
I understand your grammatical point. With 140 characters to use, I shorten what I have to in order to fit. "Pay more than most" did not fit.
AeonQuasars
Tbf, there was alot you could have done to shorten it. Removing alot of the dots for instant. Just alot of tips for you to next time.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
So to undetstand you uwant me to remove the punctuation so there is lessspacestakenimightaswelljustnotuseanyspacesallandtohellwiththepauses?
DrForester
A more democratic Seante is bad for republicans.
heywoodjabme
I don’t get the position that it has to be a default Democrat state. The Republicans just need to come up with policies that.... 1/2
heywoodjabme
Get them more votes and it can be a Republican state. 2/2
JHawkInc
See, you’re thinking like a rational person. Republicans haven’t done that in years, which is why they’re trying so hard to cheat at every 1
JHawkInc
opportunity these days. They’re too entrenched trying to appease the MAGA nut jobs to make a successful platform that can actually compete 2
SisterMidnight
They need to suck it up and be American instead of Asshole.
Soufange
Don't trust America, America is asshoe!
greenchair
Would be nice wouldn't it?
snatchingbabies
Look into the christian dominium movements and it makes a lot of sense. They genuinely believe they have a divine mandate to make america...
snatchingbabies
A christian conservative nation. Through that lense their actions make more sense: they want to change the fabric of america
CalvinMcFly
Like this? Gov. Doug Burgum signed legislation April 16, authorizing North Dakota public schools to post the Ten Commandments in classrooms
AlltheSarcasm87
But those 2 are so conflated there can't be too much of a difference...
armagetz
It’s not a problem per se, but the whole reason for DC’s existence is to be a distinct entity from the states to avoid conflicts of interest
FeverandAgue
I’m not following. Are you saying make DC part of MD and VA rather than allow them to self govern?
FeverandAgue
In the current plan, there would still be a 2 square mile area that would be federal.
kayakninjas
I'm not sure it's worked. They still have the same infrastructure issues as a state and have to use similar tools to deal with them.
armagetz
(2)if we are going to go this route, dissolve DC as anything but a city and fold it back as parts of Virginia and Maryland.
armagetz
(3)it’s not like the need is still there for a self governed district given how blurred the expectations between fed and state control are
Einherion
I agree, but the arguments against that is "they don't want to live in those states"
FeverandAgue
Which is a great argument. DC is its own place. Has been for a long time. Now, some want to dilute that vote by lumping them into states.
WaveMotionGum
You can even leave the federal buildings federal like what is already done with the Pentagon.
qwerty1418
Neither Maryland nor VA want that, and they need to explicitly approve for it to be constitutional. Statehood is easier
KaoruVanity
One could argue a bias in not wanting that. MD tends to vote more republican on some things. VA could want more dem seats in congress.
KaoruVanity
Which they would gain by DC becoming a state. Theres too much politics behind the scenes to say.
armagetz
Yeah this notation that Rs have a vested interest, while Ds have none is disingenuous in the extreme. Even if retrocession is regarded as(1)
TimeFoDat
To be fair, it IS absurd that Wyoming/Vermont/DC should have the same # of senators as Ca, Tx & FL but that's a different issue.
Salpinus
As a non American: no it makes sense that you have two houses, where one is proportionate (sort of) representation and one is not. But, it's
TimeFoDat
These things seemed reasonable 200 years ago when we didn’t have 50 states & 300m people in concentrated areas. The flaws show now.
Salpinus
completely fucked how youve ended up with only two parties, the gerrymandering +++++ Tear it down and build it up again!
F4ndango
Originally the Senate represented the state legislatures and the House represented the people.
Neotrup
The two party system is more the result of the electoral college than gerrymandering.
FormerlySable
The 2 houses with different representation make a lot of sense, but one actually has to be educated about how they work & why.
afatrollofmyown
There are rules written into our constitution and documents that prescribe HOW to change it, we just need the WILL. So it'll never be done
BanditMerlin
Ok, I’m for statehood, but my understanding of the idea was that DC was to be “neutral ground” with no one having “home advantage”
roaringstar4
I believe they wrote in that the area around the mall with federal buildings would not be included. This would give citizens representation.
Callynd
So what? Sometimes the ideas that the Founding Fathers had were bad. Look at the 3/5ths compromise and the Senate.
BanditMerlin
It’s become outdated IMO and I could be wrong
crookednixon
Exactly. It wasn't envisioned to become a city of half a million people.
BanditMerlin
Yup that’s why it’s outdated.
Kuhmeister
I think that was the original plan for DC, but things changed when people started actually living there
Mimsey
Yeah but it wasn't Right vs Left favoritism it was worried about. It was about DC vs other states.
dunkum09
more like Maryland and Virginia vs other states at the time, but yea.
manamongstyou
An antiquated rule. It's not like folks are goin to dc by horse cart anymore. They could still make all the gov buildings neutral ground.
qwerty1418
That's exactly the plan, The Mall and surrounding buildings will remain independent under federal control.
spetcnaz
Just like the electoral college, it might have made sense back then. Not anymore.
spiffylookingnerfherder
That was the idea at a time when no one thought there'd be white people in Wyoming.
afatrollofmyown
Or 40million people in California. Or California at all.
Eikre
The DC origin act pre-dates the country's possession of literally everything west of the Mississippi.
SillyZombie
Yea, that was kinda cool 300 years ago. But now its just dumb af and lets be honest was dumb af 300 yrs ago
tempmike
It made perfect sense 300 years ago (well 250, but whats 50 years between friends?). They didnt want a single state which held real power...
tempmike
at the time to have control over the brand new relatively weak federal government. Now it doesn't make sense because the federal government,
tempmike
is established enough to keep a theoretical state of DC in check if they tried to flex on the federal government. And of course...