She goes to lengths to show him and explicitly states that women are put at risk because of this legislation. His reaction: "I think what this bill does... it protects" He is not participating in a discussion, he's stating his views in complete ignorance of what was said before. 0 arguments only prewritten statements.
I like how she doesn't let him weasel out of the questions she actually answered. Are you aware? I asked you if you were aware? Did you not just say people who are actually experiencing something would be the most qualified to speak on it? ... you just said that, did you not??
I’m befuddled by this entire war the conservatives are waging against something that does not affect them in the slightest. Maybe my ace ass doesn’t get the whole obsession with genitals thing, but it’s so weird for them to worry about people’s genitals in the confines of a locked room.
Make no mistake that it is a strategic decision to flood the zone with this crap so that our government is ground to a halt and unable to perform even its simplest tasks. They're not just fanatics and idiots, they are well funded saboteurs.
Of course he was aware... Surely Americans know that was the point right?
Divide and conquer works super well... So you get divided! And what better to divide than to have men feeling they're entitled to check women's genitalia whenever they like? That's not conducive to a society that talks to each other, and notices theyre all suffering from the same things.. The effects of capitlaism.
Is this only american and some other religious country things? A In here people dont care if woman goes to mens toilet or other way around, if they are just going to do some toilet things.
I'm not advocating for violence, but every minute that republican law makers aren't getting hit in the back of the head with baseball bats is ruining the country.
I'm an American woman who looks fairly masculine. My wife is SO WORRIED about us getting hassled in a restroom (I confused a person one time). She believes she would immediately want to become violent over it (outraged) but I think I'm going to make everything worse by laughing in a bigots face
Naa. his debate skills need work. He's used to being the one asking questions to witnesses, not being the one to answer them. But he doesn't have the conscience to represent anyone but the ultra wealthy. He needs to go
She has to know he didn't write the bill there are lobbyists who write these bills and hand them off to lawmakers and they try to push them through That's why so many of them look exactly the same
He's being told what bills to pass, and it's his job to make sure it gets passed. The substance doesn't matter to him, as long as he can debate his way through it. These people are not here to represent you
Yeah, they kind of don't care about women's rights, so why would they care that their legislation to control people is leading to harassment of the group of people that they actively harass themselves? For real, conservatives not going to care about this argument ever. Their responses are going to start sounding like a handmaid's tale cuz they're going to start arguing that women should have a male escort to prevent these problems.
The point is to dehumanize women. It's to more firmly tie our sense of self to their standards of femininity, in presentation, and to enforce an expectation of breedership on us socially and in our roles in public. In their expectations, we have to be their fantasies when they see us, be untouched when they acquire us, bear their offspring when they fuck us, and stay silent about their treatment of us. It's not enough that they don't think of us a people. They want us to commodify ourselves.
Thank you for saying this. Way too often I see "cruelty is the point" used to just shut down a conversation as though there's nothing more to say. But it's just wrong; the point is control, not cruelty.
Right, but you've completely missed my point. That particular phrase very often has the effect of shutting down discussion. Whether that's intentional or not is also irrelevant. I see exactly the same effect when people say "hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug;" it's not useful, it adds nothing to people's understanding by itself, it often has a negative effect on conversation. Slogans are fun, but they aren't an argument, they aren't evidence, and they aren't analysis.
It seems that you've missed the point of both slogans. Neither of them are about shutting down a conversation. They both highlight issues that are often glossed over or missed by people. One is about the fact that conservatives want rules that protect them while restricting others, without being restricted themselves, and the other is about the fact that supporting conservative policies necessarily results in undue cruelty whether or not it's the goal.
Easiest way to shut somebody down is ask one simple question that's prudent to the point and just keep asking them to answer it. If they dodge it, ask the simple question. Again. Again until they answer it. In this advocates case it was simply "are you aware of that?" Dude fumbled cuz he had no leg to stand on
And hardly anyone ever does this. Keep interrupting their answer with the same exact question until they answer it. Specify that you're asking a "yes or no" question if you need to.
I'm honestly surprised he fumbled. Your typical Republican just leans into it, because they know their base won't vote Democrat and with how news moves these days, something else will just replace it tomorrow. Most just do the "That's unfortunate, but the bill is still great for *insert BS reason here*"
Add republican women to that, too. And they are still obsessed with gays and lesbians, just like they’ve always been obsessed with children’s genitalia.
But when I’m in a public female restroom having a pee the very last thing I’m thinking of or care about is someone else’s genitalia in the stall next me 😂
That’s the beauty of individual stalls. Do men just forget we don’t have open urinals nor pee in front of other women? Like no one (other than cis men) are pulling out their dicks in front of other people to use the bathroom. The most interaction we have in the women’s room is talking at the mirrors when washing hands or fixing hair or makeup. I’m not concerned with what’s in someone’s pants.
Exactly The saddest story was when my husband took our very young daughter to the men’s room because she needed the toilet. No alternative to a parents room which was closed
He said it’s just not right!!!
I said why?????? It’s a shopping mall midday, not a crackhouse nightclub 😂😂😂😂😂😂
boys come in a women’s bathroom with their mother and no one bats an eyelid
Why is it creepy for a father to let his daughter go to the toilet in the men’s room
they care and they are happy about it. it "keeps the weirdos away". Your movement in society is restricted when public bathrooms are dangerous. This is a page from Jim Crow. Keep black people out of spaces their taxes also paid for by only installing whites only bathrooms. Can't go to the park if you can't poop.
Can someone help explain who he is? He wrote a policy? The story she is stating is brutal on the victims psyche I imagine, not to mention the populace at large. Interesting to learn what the policy is and entails. I'll reserve judgement, but know it's difficult to write rules laws and regulations on an ever evolving society with mass anxiety and uncertainty in our future. Must suck to be any policy maker whether Dem or Republican these days.
From the Context, the guy is proposing legislation against trans people. And she is demonstrating how the legislation and focus on people who aren't harming anyone is hurting not just trans people but CIS people. Looking at SB8 (in the vid) it's more Anti-trans nonsense dressed up as "Parental Rights"
Oh, it'll be used to target cis women as well don't you worry. That's the point she's making here; the rabid, hate-fuelled bigots are going to start a transgender witch hunt the moment there's legislation in place to allow it, and accuse anyone they have a grudge against.
Same way they're working to criminalize mental illness, so they can slap that label on political opponents. Same way just being called a communist ruined your life and ended your career during the Cold War.
therealalansmithee
He’s aware, it don’t care.
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
So, about this: he didn't know and he doesn't care.
HuCared
She goes to lengths to show him and explicitly states that women are put at risk because of this legislation.
His reaction: "I think what this bill does... it protects"
He is not participating in a discussion, he's stating his views in complete ignorance of what was said before. 0 arguments only prewritten statements.
sodalis
Your religion is worthless if you are still a bad person.
HowlingRollercoaster2
I like how she doesn't let him weasel out of the questions she actually answered. Are you aware? I asked you if you were aware? Did you not just say people who are actually experiencing something would be the most qualified to speak on it? ... you just said that, did you not??
ToenailClippingsJar
I’m befuddled by this entire war the conservatives are waging against something that does not affect them in the slightest.
Maybe my ace ass doesn’t get the whole obsession with genitals thing, but it’s so weird for them to worry about people’s genitals in the confines of a locked room.
HeywouldJablowme
Make no mistake that it is a strategic decision to flood the zone with this crap so that our government is ground to a halt and unable to perform even its simplest tasks. They're not just fanatics and idiots, they are well funded saboteurs.
coffeeandprozac
He's a man, so it will never directly affect him. To his logic, why should he care?
Zamm005
Of course he was aware... Surely Americans know that was the point right?
Divide and conquer works super well... So you get divided! And what better to divide than to have men feeling they're entitled to check women's genitalia whenever they like? That's not conducive to a society that talks to each other, and notices theyre all suffering from the same things.. The effects of capitlaism.
pnkrnbow
That’s Molly Cook taking on Mayes Middleton. Every time I learn something new about Molly I love her even more.
GodAintReal
They WANT to hurt people. They’re still pretending (sometimes) that they don’t, but they do. This line of questioning does nothing.
Ehvilmonkey
Is this only american and some other religious country things? A In here people dont care if woman goes to mens toilet or other way around, if they are just going to do some toilet things.
samwyze
I'm not advocating for violence, but every minute that republican law makers aren't getting hit in the back of the head with baseball bats is ruining the country.
justadude41123
If only he practiced bird law…
Bojovnik84
Never answer any questions, just say words because you fuckers can't form intelligent thought.
TofuGolem
Attacks on trans women always ends with people tormenting cis women.
Anti-trans is anti-woman. Period.
nutmegonyourdoodle
So fucking tired of this bullshit nonsense .
The fucks that are emboldened by this political terrorism have a special place in hell waiting for them.
valkrez
I'm an American woman who looks fairly masculine. My wife is SO WORRIED about us getting hassled in a restroom (I confused a person one time). She believes she would immediately want to become violent over it (outraged) but I think I'm going to make everything worse by laughing in a bigots face
YoungHeathen
Better that a thousand women not be able to go about their day peaceably than one woman be able to go about their day peaceably. /s
nullbr
Pdizzle124
I don't know that guy, but fuck him. He should prove he's a man.
GeorgeCostabaplaps
Willful, Cruel indifference. This is peak ignorance. May he suffer in a pit of cancerous spikes that rip him to shreds for eternity.
slinkiisu
"Men might come into the women's bathroom. So we're going to send men into the women's bathroom to check."
Krackajak78
And demand proof of gender and identity
bitemark
Not to mention the kind of guys who would go into a womans bathroom to assault women aren't going to stop because of legislation
slinkiisu
Hey, that sentence had too many words for MAGA to understand
Badprenup
Nor are they going to "disguise themselves" as women to do so in the first place.
graehall
wow, she herded his dumbass into a corner and made him look awkward and embarrassed and incompetent. His lawyering skills seem to need work
mindstorm8191
Naa. his debate skills need work. He's used to being the one asking questions to witnesses, not being the one to answer them.
But he doesn't have the conscience to represent anyone but the ultra wealthy. He needs to go
REOJackwagon
Debate is part of being a lawyer
mindstorm8191
He must have not been very good at it, then!
YpsilantiRomani
She has to know he didn't write the bill there are lobbyists who write these bills and hand them off to lawmakers and they try to push them through That's why so many of them look exactly the same
eggmuffin
She knows that her job as a citizen is to hold her representatives to account.
It's your job too, but you'd rather give them excuses.
YpsilantiRomani
No I think this makes them look worse that they're not even behind the laws that they're trying to pass they're just a frontman for some lobby group
eggmuffin
You're right. And being called out in a public forum is the normal first step in politics. It's healthy and good.
YpsilantiRomani
Yup
foreverinchains
I'm willing to bet that he's unbothered by the consequences of that legislation.
The Cruelty Is The Point™
malbec
I’m surprised they dont have that on aT-shirt yet
mindstorm8191
He's being told what bills to pass, and it's his job to make sure it gets passed.
The substance doesn't matter to him, as long as he can debate his way through it.
These people are not here to represent you
Pebblebro
GQP gonna be pissed that you got that trademark!
mymustachecallstheshots
Yeah, they kind of don't care about women's rights, so why would they care that their legislation to control people is leading to harassment of the group of people that they actively harass themselves? For real, conservatives not going to care about this argument ever. Their responses are going to start sounding like a handmaid's tale cuz they're going to start arguing that women should have a male escort to prevent these problems.
Agatsu74
He knows HE is not going to be affected by this, and if his wife or kid were, he'd sue the shit out of the establishment that did it.
OverwhelmingSurplusOfDiggity
The consequences are that sentient garbage continues to vote for him. Sounds like a win, from a politician’s perspective.
PirateArrrgument
The point is to dehumanize women. It's to more firmly tie our sense of self to their standards of femininity, in presentation, and to enforce an expectation of breedership on us socially and in our roles in public. In their expectations, we have to be their fantasies when they see us, be untouched when they acquire us, bear their offspring when they fuck us, and stay silent about their treatment of us. It's not enough that they don't think of us a people. They want us to commodify ourselves.
Pryde217
Thank you for saying this. Way too often I see "cruelty is the point" used to just shut down a conversation as though there's nothing more to say. But it's just wrong; the point is control, not cruelty.
foreverinchains
The goal is control, but the result is cruelty. Whether that's intentional or not is irrelevant.
Pryde217
Right, but you've completely missed my point. That particular phrase very often has the effect of shutting down discussion. Whether that's intentional or not is also irrelevant. I see exactly the same effect when people say "hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug;" it's not useful, it adds nothing to people's understanding by itself, it often has a negative effect on conversation. Slogans are fun, but they aren't an argument, they aren't evidence, and they aren't analysis.
foreverinchains
It seems that you've missed the point of both slogans. Neither of them are about shutting down a conversation. They both highlight issues that are often glossed over or missed by people. One is about the fact that conservatives want rules that protect them while restricting others, without being restricted themselves, and the other is about the fact that supporting conservative policies necessarily results in undue cruelty whether or not it's the goal.
GravyEducation
Easiest way to shut somebody down is ask one simple question that's prudent to the point and just keep asking them to answer it. If they dodge it, ask the simple question. Again. Again until they answer it. In this advocates case it was simply "are you aware of that?" Dude fumbled cuz he had no leg to stand on
Nalianna
phrase it like "Where's that Epstein Client list?"
Snooj
And hardly anyone ever does this. Keep interrupting their answer with the same exact question until they answer it. Specify that you're asking a "yes or no" question if you need to.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
I'm honestly surprised he fumbled. Your typical Republican just leans into it, because they know their base won't vote Democrat and with how news moves these days, something else will just replace it tomorrow. Most just do the "That's unfortunate, but the bill is still great for *insert BS reason here*"
SavageDrums
Your typical republican just spews talking points that may or may not be tangentially related to the equation they were asked.
iusedtodream
He was busy fantasizing about demanding to see breasts if women he held captive in public restrooms. This is the opposite of a problem for him.
ToSisPoS
Then they resort to attacks and deflection and declare themselves the winner
quade
republicans think WAY too hard about the genitalia of children who aren't their own. This isn't even an exaggeration.
clonedeeznuts
That’s what pedos do
SavageDrums
I think you can remove the "aren't their own" qualifier there, honestly.
layinginbedfeelinglikeaquesarito
It’s the current day version of “no one thinks about gay dicks more than a Republican man”
homoerection
Add republican women to that, too. And they are still obsessed with gays and lesbians, just like they’ve always been obsessed with children’s genitalia.
Roune
I think a lot of them more than likely think about their own children’s genitalia a little too much too
TheLastGreatAudit
Oh don't give them too much credit. They don't limit it to other peoples' children.
antoinettehaupt2
No it’s not an exaggeration.
But when I’m in a public female restroom having a pee the very last thing I’m thinking of or care about is someone else’s genitalia in the stall next me 😂
ObiWanKenobitch
That’s the beauty of individual stalls. Do men just forget we don’t have open urinals nor pee in front of other women? Like no one (other than cis men) are pulling out their dicks in front of other people to use the bathroom. The most interaction we have in the women’s room is talking at the mirrors when washing hands or fixing hair or makeup. I’m not concerned with what’s in someone’s pants.
antoinettehaupt2
Exactly
The saddest story was when my husband took our very young daughter to the men’s room because she needed the toilet. No alternative to a parents room which was closed
He said it’s just not right!!!
I said why?????? It’s a shopping mall midday, not a crackhouse nightclub 😂😂😂😂😂😂
boys come in a women’s bathroom with their mother and no one bats an eyelid
Why is it creepy for a father to let his daughter go to the toilet in the men’s room
I don’t understand
Clockworkdancerobot
Conservative dipshits. They don't care if others get hurt in their ideological jihad.
SarcasticComment
they care and they are happy about it. it "keeps the weirdos away". Your movement in society is restricted when public bathrooms are dangerous. This is a page from Jim Crow. Keep black people out of spaces their taxes also paid for by only installing whites only bathrooms. Can't go to the park if you can't poop.
stoutde
Oh, I assure you they do! It's their goal.
TheWorldAccordingToAtlas
Follow him into every public restroom and demand he prove his gender.
Strategicgnomer
Eat em all
ChicanoBatman
Can someone help explain who he is? He wrote a policy? The story she is stating is brutal on the victims psyche I imagine, not to mention the populace at large. Interesting to learn what the policy is and entails. I'll reserve judgement, but know it's difficult to write rules laws and regulations on an ever evolving society with mass anxiety and uncertainty in our future. Must suck to be any policy maker whether Dem or Republican these days.
SupernaturalReactions
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Clockworkdancerobot
From the Context, the guy is proposing legislation against trans people. And she is demonstrating how the legislation and focus on people who aren't harming anyone is hurting not just trans people but CIS people. Looking at SB8 (in the vid) it's more Anti-trans nonsense dressed up as "Parental Rights"
ChicanoBatman
Thank you for the clarity.
SupernaturalReactions
Keep in mind that only half a percent (0.05%) of adults in the US identity as trans.
This is a non-issue created to scare bigots and terfs into supporting the class war that has seen trillions in wealth flow to the 0.05%
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Zeterai
Oh, it'll be used to target cis women as well don't you worry. That's the point she's making here; the rabid, hate-fuelled bigots are going to start a transgender witch hunt the moment there's legislation in place to allow it, and accuse anyone they have a grudge against.
Same way they're working to criminalize mental illness, so they can slap that label on political opponents. Same way just being called a communist ruined your life and ended your career during the Cold War.