Even if you disagree with AOC on policy or who you think the best person for the job is, don't take her on by slinging mud, she's way too quick and cool.
She was the swimmer who complained a MtF trans athlete was swimming in the same race as her, and said that she (the trans athlete) was taking medals away from "real women" or some shit like that. When said trans athlete didn't even win a medal, and Gaines came in fifth, not eligible for a medal even if said trans athlete wasn't IN the competition.
I mean's she's absolutely right. But from the right. I wonder what it would take for these people to wake up. Probably full blown fascism that messes with their own personal lifes, but I guess they'd still blame someone else for it.
As long as major right-wing news outlets continue to peddle lies and get away with it... I don't see how there's any real hope of changing the audience minds. Look at the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit. They lied. Big time. Got caught. Tucker Carlson was fired, the "darling" of the network. A couple months later and it was if it never happened. Something has to give. Something truly profound.
In Nazi Germany, Hitler had lots of followers that were loyal to him, but he slowly weeded them out so that only the fanatically and 'perfect' were left. And history shows them as vicious pepole.
Yknow.... besides the morality and all... no core strength whatsoever visible. No coordination on upper and lower arm and hand. Not even properly extended. No synchronized angles or anything. So not impressive. Those people would be dismissed. Go, draft dodgers. At least learn how to do it properly. Ballett would do it, too.
I'm gonna regret this, but... What if it's NOT actually a Nazi salute? Like, this is, but what if it's just human nature to use that particular gesture when you're a "you don't talk, I must make my point more loudly" type asshole? Like I could see that "hold up/raise my hand/solidarity" gesture being used by ANY bootlicker with a superiority complex. Maybe it's just a gesture that got adopted BY Nazis, not the other way around.
its just a gesture prominently used by one of the prime genocidial regimes in the history of mankind. it doesnt matter if they "only" "also" use it. its deeply connected to the regime, esp for the fuckers who are trying their best at an reenactment!
Riley's just pissed that even with the trans woman banned from her race, she still comes in fifth, meaning all the bitching that was done for that was ultimately meaningless other than for hurting someone who's mere existence upsets her. What an empty, hateful, pointless and stupid weirdo.
What's extra dumb about this "but trans women are super soldiers" argument is it's not like Lia took home the gold and was destroying the, she got first place in literally one fucking heat at one fucking event.
Then you're a fool that falls for performative nonsense. You KNOW these people cannot be trusted, and yet you'll let them set the narrative because they tell you what you want to hear.
There was a bill in the house for an arms embargo against Israel. This was not words on the TV, it wasn't a tweet, it was a bill on the floor. That's material, not performative. An arms embargo is the absolute least that Israel deserves, so that is a bill I would be in support of and I don't care who brought it to the floor. Do you care about your team winning or do you care about stopping a genocide?
If I voted in your country I would vote for people who stand against Israel and I would not vote for people who stand in support of Israel. It is very easy to do.
You can vote for any number of independents, you can run yourself potentially, or yes you can not vote. It's definitely not effective to not vote but if there is literally no option that doesn't directly and materially support the genocide then you didn't have a democracy to begin with so it is absolutely acceptable to not vote.
That's nearly impossible in America. Everyone either supports Israel fervently or moderately. That's the worst hill to die on in American politics. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Israel and against their genocide. But most of most ardently liberal candidates support Israel. Bernie Sanders is probably the Gold standard and everyone else (ie AOC) is just a pale comparison. But on the right, you have people marching lock step with the party line no matter what. We can't compete when we splinter.
Profbru
Democrat Nazi salute?
stonecollector
Oh we are definitely being destroyed from within.
DamnedIfYouDo
Even if you disagree with AOC on policy or who you think the best person for the job is, don't take her on by slinging mud, she's way too quick and cool.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Zetor
OOF. AOC takes no prisoners.
akafluffy
destroyed her like she was worried four cis women and a trans woman would.
PersonalityFire
I hope everyone sees this speech from her: https://youtu.be/7uyuzDvViUE?si=40Zj-4bw1sJdq1PO&t=302
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Oh no! Americans are being replaced by [checks notes] Americans? That can’t be it.
DoomyDoomyDoom
DoomyDoomyDoom
And what's worse, they're elected officials being replaced by newly elected officials! WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?!?!?!?!?
UprootedGrunt
Ohhh, and NOW I know who Gaines is.
agentcutielocks
I don't know who she is. Except for a shitty swimmer, apparently.
UprootedGrunt
She was the swimmer who complained a MtF trans athlete was swimming in the same race as her, and said that she (the trans athlete) was taking medals away from "real women" or some shit like that. When said trans athlete didn't even win a medal, and Gaines came in fifth, not eligible for a medal even if said trans athlete wasn't IN the competition.
agentcutielocks
So a bigot, and idiot AND a shitty swimmer. Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation!
GODzillaFH
I mean's she's absolutely right. But from the right. I wonder what it would take for these people to wake up. Probably full blown fascism that messes with their own personal lifes, but I guess they'd still blame someone else for it.
cytherians
As long as major right-wing news outlets continue to peddle lies and get away with it... I don't see how there's any real hope of changing the audience minds. Look at the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit. They lied. Big time. Got caught. Tucker Carlson was fired, the "darling" of the network. A couple months later and it was if it never happened. Something has to give. Something truly profound.
derekjohn
Just remember that even with smoking ruins all around them there will still plenty of NAZI party true believers in Germany on May 9th, 1945.
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
In Nazi Germany, Hitler had lots of followers that were loyal to him, but he slowly weeded them out so that only the fanatically and 'perfect' were left. And history shows them as vicious pepole.
OhIfIMust
Just waving to the audience...
KittyKlimt6
Yknow.... besides the morality and all... no core strength whatsoever visible. No coordination on upper and lower arm and hand. Not even properly extended. No synchronized angles or anything. So not impressive. Those people would be dismissed. Go, draft dodgers. At least learn how to do it properly. Ballett would do it, too.
Cornflakes91
not even an attempt at proper posture either, just some limp armed waving
KittyKlimt6
Yeah absolutely unmanly, weak and ridiculous. So not impressive.
captainregular
I'm gonna regret this, but... What if it's NOT actually a Nazi salute? Like, this is, but what if it's just human nature to use that particular gesture when you're a "you don't talk, I must make my point more loudly" type asshole? Like I could see that "hold up/raise my hand/solidarity" gesture being used by ANY bootlicker with a superiority complex. Maybe it's just a gesture that got adopted BY Nazis, not the other way around.
Cornflakes91
its just a gesture prominently used by one of the prime genocidial regimes in the history of mankind.
it doesnt matter if they "only" "also" use it. its deeply connected to the regime, esp for the fuckers who are trying their best at an reenactment!
4Astaroth
Nazis took it from the Roman Empire. It's still an actual Nazi salute if Nazis use it. Like the swastika they use is always the Nazi swastika.
akafluffy
There's no evidence they took it from the Roman Empire, they just love their false historical narratives that make them feel special.
OhIfIMust
Yeah, like it doesn't matter who wore it before or since: It's a Hitler mustache.
akafluffy
It's the Charlie Chaplin moustache, but even he shaved it after Hitler claimed he was a fan.
Mirrormancer
Riley's just pissed that even with the trans woman banned from her race, she still comes in fifth, meaning all the bitching that was done for that was ultimately meaningless other than for hurting someone who's mere existence upsets her. What an empty, hateful, pointless and stupid weirdo.
AOC's pretty cool though.
Gopher9191
She also ironically looks like a trans woman
Zeanoth
And what do you mean by that?
Gopher9191
Exacrly what i said. Riley Gaines looks like a trans woman
Jsupes
You’re saying Riley Gained nothing?
n0gal
What's extra dumb about this "but trans women are super soldiers" argument is it's not like Lia took home the gold and was destroying the, she got first place in literally one fucking heat at one fucking event.
personwhoisaperson
However she did vote against an arms embargo on Israel, which is not cool at all.
LuminoZero
It always amazes me how eager people are to fall for MTG's bullshit. Ignorance really is the universal language.
personwhoisaperson
I wouldn't care if trump himself championed a bill for an arms embargo against Israel, I'd still support it.
LuminoZero
Then you're a fool that falls for performative nonsense. You KNOW these people cannot be trusted, and yet you'll let them set the narrative because they tell you what you want to hear.
personwhoisaperson
There was a bill in the house for an arms embargo against Israel. This was not words on the TV, it wasn't a tweet, it was a bill on the floor. That's material, not performative. An arms embargo is the absolute least that Israel deserves, so that is a bill I would be in support of and I don't care who brought it to the floor. Do you care about your team winning or do you care about stopping a genocide?
SirRichfield
That might be not cool, but are you going to use that as an excuse to stick with the "Lemme bomb that for you, Bibi", you got now?
personwhoisaperson
If I voted in your country I would vote for people who stand against Israel and I would not vote for people who stand in support of Israel. It is very easy to do.
kittyfajitas
In the US, that most likely means you won't be voting at all, which is also unacceptable.
personwhoisaperson
You can vote for any number of independents, you can run yourself potentially, or yes you can not vote. It's definitely not effective to not vote but if there is literally no option that doesn't directly and materially support the genocide then you didn't have a democracy to begin with so it is absolutely acceptable to not vote.
ChaLeGai
That's nearly impossible in America. Everyone either supports Israel fervently or moderately. That's the worst hill to die on in American politics. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Israel and against their genocide. But most of most ardently liberal candidates support Israel. Bernie Sanders is probably the Gold standard and everyone else (ie AOC) is just a pale comparison. But on the right, you have people marching lock step with the party line no matter what. We can't compete when we splinter.
personwhoisaperson
How do you expect any of that to change if you keep voting for people who do things you don't want done?