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Jan 26, 2020 10:10 PM
QuackWok
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Don't get sick or hurt yourself if you want to eat this month.
Is this my first front page post? Ugh, I guess I really AM that guy.
yoikesandaway
The only way to change this to to increase supply of houses. That means building more & reducing regulations and fees that increase costs.
codenameRadical
The people who want to keep you suffering vote. Don't you skip out on your vote.
lonewolf9556
Was selling a house, had to evict because they werent paying, was rent2own. Took all my appliances and left 5 feet of feces, trash, and 1/
lonewolf9556
damaged all toilets. So I can understand the hefty fees, but I still would offer fair prices. No need to gouge others for others mistakes.
VillagerJeff
Move to the midwest. You can rent a 3 bed 2 bath house for 1k. I had a 2 bed 1 bath apartment for 700 in college both accept pets
mektel
Yeah, midwest bang for buck is nice. I owned a 2800 sq ft home with a 3 car heated garage for $250K, new construction.
VillagerJeff
Currently house hunting at 200k the houses near me are like 1700sqft not counting finished basement. I'm really excited to not rent anymore.
mustangcharlie
Huntsville Alabama here, $1800 a month to rent a 3600 sq/foot recent construction home in a good school district. Best IT job market in USA.
Logwarrior999
Shh don't tell these people, plus they think everyone in Alabama is a racist retard. Most are unfamiliar with the PhD per capita in Huntsvil
TractorEngineer
The rental/apartment market is just crazy. My apartment raised rent, so I bought a house. I pay $10/month LESS for a house than apt+garage.
Doomandgloom2
Correction, living it certain parts of America. I can have a 2 bed 1 bath for 700 here.
YoutuberGabrieliusSer
Alaska, ahhh the great outdoors :D
dmelt253
Cost of living is usually reflective of available wages.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Had a 2 bed 1 bath for $250 once...in the middle of nowhere Missouri
TheBeyonder3191
...what? How is that possible? I’m outta Houston and our rent prices are low, but not that low
iwanttomountndewya
Cozy 2 bed 1 bath for about $1000 plus utilities. Got cramped after my brother-in-law moved in though
heyguysimtom
I agree that renting needs to more oversight, but the point of it is literally borrowing it from someone else who is assuming risk
Stuzi
I work in the apartment industry and this comic is stretching the prices. If you cant find something better than $300/wk (10$/hr) idk...
thornmallow
*certain states
Dorsk84
$1200/mo.....deal. Around here you are looking at $2300/mo for a 2 bed/2 bath.
darthlawsuit
$600-$800 for a NICE apartment here.
Dorsk84
Wheres that?
darthlawsuit
Midwest.
DoesThisKeyboardWork
A small town somewhere? Even where I went to school in Iowa I lived in crappy places that were 1500 (split 3 ways). Now in Denver much more.
darthlawsuit
Mid sized town. Not a small town but not a capital city.
AtlasMorrow
8 rentals owner here. This grossly oversimplifies the problems associated with poverty.
dmelt253
It’s a start though. Better than saying it’s all their own fault
AtlasMorrow
I actually disagree with ‘better’ here. It does not help at all, arguably the only thing that comes from these oversimplifications is harm.
AtlasMorrow
It’s inflammatory language with no sustenance or value. Sometimes not having an opinion is the best opinion. Images like this push people
AtlasMorrow
Into having an opinion as it makes them feel validated=making a decision without a basis in facts and imperial evidence=shit opinions
ambiencenever
Home costs would be lower if we handled 2008 differently. Also, we are still bailing out MBS liabilities through quantitative easing.
kodiakpryde
i pay $600 for a 3 bdrm duplex on bus line, 500 deposit no last months, pets welcome w/ $25 a month pet fee
KalteKartoffeln
$1300 for a 2 room, so $650/mo + $30/mo pet fee per pet. Though I live in one of the most expensive cities in Michigan
RussianBot42069
what does 'on bus line' mean?
Ferrumkit
In the US Bus lines are the transit route that's taken by the public transit system.
KresblainTheMagician
"close to a public transit stop."
blizzyblerb
Where can I get this dirt cheap apartment??
Dudeitsausername
Find yourself a cardboard box and an area that a homeless person hasn’t claimed
Noworkee
If we all just agree to go back to the 1920s where only one person (could be man or woman)worked that would cut supply and increase wages.
timfikKing
What if I told you there are places in America with $400/week + benefits jobs out of HS and $600/month apartments. Decent house is $100k.
timfikKing
And I am not saying it's easy to just pick up and move to those locations. This is a real struggle, but not an all of America struggle.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I live in one of those places! Not by accident. I moved here. I own a house worth 105k, but I bought it for 68k. I bring home around 60k.
timfikKing
Is the weather sultry?
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
No. Only in the summer for about 6 weeks. We get all 4 seasons here. -20 F to 100 F and everywhere in between.
HCBailly
How do other countries handle rent and laws for acquiring housing? I'd think everyone has to pay to put a roof over their heads.
FuzzyX
Some countries can do socialism and housing benefit and local government housing.
Saustino
Rent is simply supply and demand. If you don’t like how high the rent is you can find somewhere else for cheaper. I had to.
Corona688
It's not "simply" supply and demand. They don't build cheap houses any more, they only build lucrative ones.
Saustino
Yes it’s simple. because of location and regulation. But location has nothing to do with government laws.
Saustino
You can build cheap housing if you relax all regulations but they become less safe. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Rule62
I have an apt in an upscale neighborhood, English Village, in Birmingham, Al. $975 a mo. Includes all utilities, except cable. You can . . .
Rule62
find it if you look.
Brucecori2
Yeah but... Alabama
z28cam947
Landlords wouldn’t have to ask all of this, if low life’s didn’t take advantage if them. Previous landlord by the way.
Ginocide
You seriously trying to pull a "won't someone think of the landlords?"
tacticalattackterriers
It's more of a bear in mind that if a resource is used by multiple people, one can fuck it up for everyone else. Not pity the landlord,...
tacticalattackterriers
...but understand that there is a logic to it if the landlord has to recoup costs/drive off careless tenants after destructive ones.
Ginocide
I totally get it, it's not as easy as people make it out to be, but it's very lucrative almost all of the time. There's a reason >
Ginocide
real-estate is heavily featured as a sure-thing in almost every investment package ever.
crystalskull640
HA!
OldMillenial
pro-tip: dont rent, sell
helpneedfriends
This is now hitting home. Having a 4 month old that is sick I feel like I'm falling down a hole of dept that i won't be able to climb out of
j3llis
Keep your head up. If you believe in God go to church and pray. If you don't believe in Jesus give it a chance. Gotten me through many times
Brucecori2
I know you have good intentions but most people here don't believe praying will do anything to help shitty situations.
j3llis
That's why I'm here; to offer an alternative perspective that has personally worked for me.
Kunitsu
been there done that. it took us a while to find a home that allowed my daughters cat and her dog, got off food stamps and shit and onto our
Kunitsu
own two feet. wont deny that it took a while, and our home may not be the greatest but its ours. you'll get there. sometimes you gotta take
Kunitsu
it one day at a time and work with what you have, when something better comes along you'll see it. ive gotten most of my debts paid off, now
Kunitsu
its just student loans to pay off and i'll finally be debt free. try to keep your chin up, take a day to relax when you can it helps
FMdirtyC
Ummm who has a 1500 cleaning deposit that’s what I need to know...
LainaJoy
Yeah I think it's an exaggeration considering the rent.
TheDino
Most places I've seen its just 1st months rent, deposit equal to a months rent, and like 500 for pet deposit.
Noblert
First, last, deposit of 1 month rent is standard
FMdirtyC
I’m talking the cleaning. This is saying first and last month of 1200. So 2400. Plus a 1500 cleaning. 3900? I’m just saying 1500 is..
FMdirtyC
Just a little bit of an exaggeration. At least from where I have lived.
thevortexmaster
2nd most expensive place to live in the world is Vancouver Canada. 1st is Hong Kong. The usa has 3 spots in the top ten. All basically cali
darthlawsuit
Gotta pay the poop patrol something and pay for but not build highspeed rails that go nowhere.
thevortexmaster
Hahaha yes
KylasLaFey
2nd is Vancouver Canada? Where can i find this list? I live here now and theres no way this is more expensive than SF
thevortexmaster
https://www.insider.com/most-expensive-cities-to-live-in-2020-1
KylasLaFey
median house price divided by the median household income... , the more expensive it is to live in, according to the ranking.
KylasLaFey
Yeah nah this is a real estate purchase thing because of the Chinese buying up properties not an actual "living" thing
thevortexmaster
Ahhh yes. True enough. I guess that's what I was thinking was buying property
RogueMachinae
Yea and all those Cali people are fucking moving to Texas.
DoesThisKeyboardWork
And Denver/Boulder..
Butane9000
and Idaho, and pretty much anywhere that isn't Cali and bringing the same dumb shit ideology with them.
RogueMachinae
You get down voted but you are correct.
MadDrDrillBit
where the hell do you live with that kind of rent?
MadDrDrillBit
st paul, decent neighborhood $1200 4 bed 2 bath , basement, garage, fenced back yard. daughter in Pensacola, 700 for 2 bed
DarkZalgo
The United States? Average rent is $1200 in this country.
mylastusernamewasmylastname
I live in Atlanta and my rent is higher than that. Almost every major city in America is probably around that range.
herkyth
ATL just did that shit in the past 10 yrs, used to be super cheap. A 2 br 2 bath house in East ATL cost me $850 a mo from 2010-2014
sjbrooksy7447
Apartment complex with out gang violence
thevortexmaster
I live in Canada. 2 bedroom 2 bathroom suite for $900. Now I own a condo and my mortgage is $1200
Inkedsurgeon
Sure as hell ain’t in Vancouver lol, rent here is stupid
thevortexmaster
Hahaha nope. Van is the 2nd most expensive place in the world. I'm in Nanaimo
Inkedsurgeon
I’ve only gone through nanaimo on my way to Campbell River a couple of times, stayed on steep island for a few days last year too
thevortexmaster
Cool!
ArinL
Small town in Ontario. $1800mo plus utilities. (2bedroom) Minimum wage is $14hr. Bad considering 5yrs ago it would’ve been half that. 1/2
ArinL
Housing exploded and prices shot up 300% in some places. Then landlords decided to cash in too. We had 1 homeless person since I could 2/3
ArinL
Remember. Now we have so many I can’t count. 3/3
LeMegachonk
If I move out of my 3 bed/2 bath townhouse in the GTA, the next tenant will be paying about $3K plus utilities. I had noticed that in 1/
LeMegachonk
the past few years the quality of cars in the driveways was going up, now I see why. I can basically never move.
ArinL
I’m about 2 hours south of the GTA. We have 35k pop. Our prices don’t make sense.
andachairaswell
I'm in central Victoria, Australia. $1550 per month 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house with decent yard
Soupisonson
$1200 for the same house in Iowa
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
USD or dollarydoos?
andachairaswell
Dollarydoos
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
More like $1800+ for that in Canberra
TeishaTaisha
I was gonna say from california, $1200/month sounds amazing
Candyside
No kidding, in my neighborhood 1000 nets you a bedroom and a bathroom. And i dont mean a 1 bed apt, i mean a room in someones house.
IWouldDoThings
Dang lol. We pay 1200/month for a 3 bedroom, 2 full bath, three level house. With full fenced in yard and garage, in a nice neighborhood.
IWouldDoThings
Oh, trash included
TF2215
Where? I live in NY and that sounds like a fantasy
IWouldDoThings
Lynchburg, VA. Liberty University is here though so.... that sucks.
TwiztedWhisperz
Wow, I'm on the coast of NC. We have a 4.5 bedroom with 2.5 baths, a 2 car steel building on 2.58 acres, and our house payment is half that.
TwiztedWhisperz
That house payment includes insurance AND taxes.
IWouldDoThings
Whats a half bedroom??
TwiztedWhisperz
Its a room the same size as the other bedrooms without a closet. Fore some reason, you can't call it a bedroom without a closet.
TonyStarksDeadDadHoward
Some of these comments, my god. The most brilliant play the rich pulled was convincing the sorta poor to have disdain for the very poor.
Vaanhalen
"The rich" nah dude George Orwell will tell you that's a socialist tendency since the 30s
SciNZ
“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for
SciNZ
democratic socialism, as I understand it.” - Orwell.
Vaanhalen
Indeed. And hes honest and he also writes what I said. Do you read books? Im guessing not. It's from Road to Wigan Pier.
SciNZ
I’m aware he had his own criticisms of socialist movements you munter. But unsurprisingly a trumplet can’t understand nuance.
SpiderDetective
Blame the middle class's problems on the lower class
TehDude333
darthlawsuit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j41i4AowSX0
rollsteelertide
Nobody disdains the poor. People disdain hyperbole- like the kind in this comic- and then the Left says, “Aha!! Gotcha!!!”
073090
This isn't remotely exaggerated, boomer.
rollsteelertide
Show me an ad with a place with a $1500 cleaning fee and I’ll delete my imgur account.
Cheesecakecrush
Its just the "I can't afford it therefore the owner is a rich evil asshole"
GoblinOfPoliticalSuccubus
"Anyone with more money than me is evil"
G3ologist
That and I see a bunch of bootlickers here.
dmelt253
People believe that with luck they can join the wealthy. Sure, rich maybe; wealth only comes from inheritance or from exploitation
Brakeman97
No, the people who are working up a sweat have a disdain for the slobs that won't work hard but cry "I'm a VICTIM" all day.
dmelt253
But have no disdain for the people that buy off the politicians and fix the rules of the game to benefit themselves?
073090
Minimum wage workers are some of the hardest workers in the country, but you're a bootlicker.
owaytCorgiClicker
No, the bootlickers who are working up a sweat ASSUME anyone who questions the system is not.
FatboyRich
We'll take kids, but no pets. You tell me, three six year old boys or one thirteen year old cat. Who would you let move in? Makes no sense
Pafolo
Cats piss everywhere. Bad owners can ruin a home
DeanOMiite
Taking this at face value alone, one of these is illegal and the other is not.
Lulabel73
I used to own properties. I’d take some pets over some kids. A cat over a toddler any day of the week.
Lentini
Its against the law to ban kids from most rental properties.
neckingduringschindlerslist
Pity.
Losiestloserface
Ever try to get the smell of cat piss out of a house?
dannwyrm
I have a 4 year old, and 2 cats. It would take my cats 20 lifetimes to do the damage my 4 year old has done to the carpet.
phaid85
No, probably just have the cat pee on it a couple of times. That should even things out
grandpasonlylivingheir
It’s a general rule. It’s not meant for people with geriatric cats that are constipated.It’s meant for dog shit and piss all over everything
RogueMachinae
Honestly depends on the owner/parent.
iamamitten
Fuck, I'd rather see TEN thirteen year old cats in a place than ONE kid.
keyonne
I think it’s illegal to ban kids.
gimking
Is someone gonna at least clean the litterbox? Or does he use the toilet?
highlaDiver
Cats stink !!!!!!!
Vhyson
It's illegal to ban kids. Unless you make it a senior living center. So they ban what they can. And make it impossible to qualify
ShadyVermin
HOWEVER that does not mean you have to accept the application of the tenant who has kids. Can't stop the one you choose from breeding, but
ShadyVermin
It's better than nothing.
owaytCorgiClicker
You'd probably have to let in some. It would be hard to defend against a discrimination case if no kids have ever lived at your properties.
tacticalattackterriers
I know of some complexes that just try really hard to keep the kids all put into the same building(s), that way the only people dealing ...
tacticalattackterriers
...with the noise/neighbor issues already have their own to avoid being hypocritical on.
Rightleft2
To be fair I'm a landlord and my tenants who have had pets did way more long term damage to my properties than tenants with kids.
s8whiskey
This. I have many HUD houses, I don't allow pets. I did on my first house, it was a nightmare. Never again.
ZOMGNO
Yeah, I used to manage rentals, and there are some bad kids, some bad pets and some bad renters. Always get references before renting
FatboyRich
One thirteen year old cat? Seriously?
Hezaethox
Depends on the cat
Conjo88
Are you trying to argue the invalidity of a universally applied rule with an anecdote? Not every pet is going to be a peaceful 13 y.o. cat.
tipitiwitchet
I see more places banning cats than dogs. Their pee is nigh on impossible to get out of stuff b/c it crystallizes so fast, and it r e e k s
SouperScott
This is an actual comment, that was said by a person in ownership of a real brain.
OtterlyMagnificent
As someone who IS currently a landlord...My one renter brought with him two LARGE dogs, and insists that one is an Emotional Support Animal1
cacy1225772
Emotional support animals aren’t protected by law. Kick his ass out.
OtterlyMagnificent
In Arizona they actually are...As long as they are LICENSED ESA. So if he wants to pull that, he'll have to show proof of licensing.
OtterlyMagnificent
which we haven't pushed because he does have the other dog as well. But between the two dogs, my back yard is unusable, and his furniture2/
OtterlyMagnificent
has been (Since day 1, 26 days ago) letting out an odor that makes the other half of the house unlivable. He has 5 hours to get the worst 3/
OtterlyMagnificent
of it, a couch that has clearly been pissed on, out, or he's gotta go. That's the last straw. I pay $2k/mo for the place, he pays $900/mo 4/
butthurtnevergetsbetter
You can get away with banning pets a lot more than you can get away with banning kids.
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
Noise agreements they have to sign to rent that make kids impossible.
Buttholesandsewingneedles
Lord knows if renters could they would.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I would.
mylastusernamewasmylastname
I mean the law literally says you can't ban kids. So while your comment isn't incorrect its seriously understated.
Ferrumkit
False, I would have agreed until I read up on an incident where an orphaned child was banned via HOA in a retirement community.
onlyhalfghost
That's the only way you can legally ban kids: by banning everyone who's not geriatric. Can't ban children or the elderly anywhere else.
TheLastZombieCat
Right, but it’s a retirement community
Ferrumkit
That's the point ... you can legally ban kids from housing as long as you just 'zone it'.
89PercentSureYoureFibbing
The last two rental houses with a few blocks of me were 1500 (usd) a month. The apartments a block away start at 1299 a month for a one room
chinablue
30 years ago I had 1 bedroom apartment for 975 a month in las Vegas , things are the same now as then.
justcantstoplooking
Location location location. Just visited someone in a decent home 3br. $500 a month.
Brucecori2
Lol rental houses in my old town are evicting current tenants so they can rent out by the room. Fucking over families badly.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Yeah, but we can't all live in BFE Missouri
89PercentSureYoureFibbing
And this is in South Carolina....
fakehipster
I live in SC and had a LARGE drive up townhome that was ~$900/month. They were going up to around $1000/month which is why I moved...
fakehipster
It was in a good neighborhood off of a major road.
RuricOrhlandis
Know someone paying $800 for a single room with a shared bathroom in a house with 8 people in it in SC.
fakehipster
Where? I’m in the upstate and only super nice apartments in the downtown areas of the larger cities are $1500+
RuricOrhlandis
Greer apartments for two bedroom 1200
fakehipster
Charleston maybe?
RuricOrhlandis
Spartanburg of all places.
butthurtnevergetsbetter
Just make sure you're two adults, working sets of jobs which each amount to 60 hours a week and you'll be fine. Also dead at 60, but fine.
LainaJoy
Or two adults working minimum wage for 40 hours a week.
LainaJoy
Actually, if you're a couple sharing a 1 bedroom, you'll be able to have a savings too.
SouperScott
Sauce that this works everywhere?
LainaJoy
I don't have that atm, but I will research anywhere. I'm not necessarily looking to be right, but more so help people grow and/or succeed
LainaJoy
I was able to split a 2BR with 1 roommate in 3 different areas. A 1BR is only going to be easier. I'm happy to research anywhere else
bigkingdingaling
Not true. Research shows not being a single parent and finishing HS is all it takes to not be in poverty
LainaJoy
I concur. Yeah, universities are expensive, but that's what community college is for. And working your way up in the work force.
PunsRUs
OH and you have to not be born with a disability at all. Or develop one. Or have a medical crisis in the states. But yeah, easy.
ArtOzz
Medical bankruptcy. As a UK citizen I really struggled with this concept for a long time until the Americans finally explained it. Insane.
QuackWok
Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit my dude
xmaneds
ok boomer https://pics.me.me/summer-job-pays-his-college-tuition-tuition-was-4000-dollars-13615033.png
MoistenedPenguin
How about this life pro tip: you don't have to go to college...
OldMillenial
its a general policy for most businesses to never hire people for decent paying jobs without a college degree. Kinda like using those quizes
MoistenedPenguin
Military (even for four years opens TONS of options), trade schools, both extremely good for able bodied people.
bigkingdingaling
Not talking about college
crazyhindu
I’m single not a parent live at home and work full time while working in a degree. Yeah still in poverty
Vaanhalen
Everyone young is in poverty. It's a life experience. Congrats on the supportive family they're helping you minimize costs
crazyhindu
I help support my family so that doesn’t help my financial situation. And yeah I guess being young and poor is a learning experience
bigkingdingaling
Just saw a report that college is no longer worth the investment...sorry.
crazyhindu
Eh I’ll take my degree and higher wages without committing to a life of manual labor I’m tired my body can’t take it anymore
crazyhindu
Also source
YouCheckedTheUsernameHaveACookie
Lol research from when? 1986? Also from where? Surely not the US? And also by who? A decent source or a lobbying group?
Vaanhalen
https://www.brookings.edu/book/creating-an-opportunity-society/ try being less of a dick and maybe people will agree to do the legwork for u
mud33y
Yeah that’s total bullshit..
RumbleNtheJungle
It’s due to the definition of poverty. A minimum wage job can keep a single person above the poverty level of 12,490. 2 minimum wage jobs
RumbleNtheJungle
Can keep a family of 5 above the poverty level of $30,170.
FYeahLeapDay
No college for me. I make 14/hr, wife makes 15/hr, 8-4 jobs. Son, cat, and dog. 2400sq ft home(own) nice neighborhood. Were doin just fine
thevortexmaster
Same here. No college and I make $70k a year but I've been working my ass off since age 12.
xmaneds
is that even allowed?!?!?! p.s. congrats on your success; enjoy
Hezaethox
Yes but what'll you do if you roll a 1 on your yearly health check? Like getting the ol' big C and suddenly can't work for a year?
somepersondoingsomethings
Not every poor person in america got "the big c". Some people just have poor judgement and skills.
bigkingdingaling
And all I said was finishing hs, bot college
bamcobra
And that may be the secret. If college > debt up the wazoo. If Master’s in wrong field > worse.
bigkingdingaling
I'm glad you guys are, I want everyone to do well.
HodgeNPodge
You must not live in the PNW. S.O. $20/hr. I'm at $18/hr PT because of our toddler son. One dog. Living with parents.
HodgeNPodge
Fyi, fantastic credit.
Vaanhalen
PNW suffers due to its hippie policies that punish you for working hard.
ThisIsTheBestICanDo
Where in the US do you live?
ASneakyTurtle
When I was a renter this annoyed me. Now I’m a two house landlord I understand it. I just don’t like it.
darthlawsuit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j41i4AowSX0
Himser
Its a market problem. Rent prices are too high for mostbrenters... and not high enoif to cover costs of new construction.
RawSuger
not if you want a 30 year profit on a 100 year investment no, but...maybe thats the problem
Himser
buildings dont last 100 years. they last around 60 before you pretty much need to rebuild.
xmaneds
HOWEVER, this sign may exaggerate just a tad.... the "last month rent" and the "cleaning deposit" can be a single payment $1500 TOTAL.
paintedinhabitantofariamis
I've had places that treated them as the same & also others which treated them separately. Depends on the place.
TransistorRadio
I'm renting. I had to pay 1st month, last month, and security deposit. Each is $1500. So $4500 up front. Very common here in Philly.
SarenStolkholm
Depends on where you live. In Western WA it can get up to nearly 4 grand to get into a new place.
xmaneds
yeah, that sucks, and I don't support that policy. that's nuts. how are people supposed to do that.
xmaneds
and then as a landlord, you get that deep satisfaction writing them a check for the Full Deposit Amount when they move out and it's clean.
thanatos777
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, yeah, right. Most landlords retain deposits as a matter of course, regardless of how you leave the place.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I've always left a place clean and gotten my deposit back.
xmaneds
what the shit? that is illegal, that violates the contract. people can and should sue if this happens to them.
iiGEMINIii
Yeah, even if you have a full walk through video from day one and last day proving you didn't do something good luck actually fighting it.
thanatos777
Most renters don't have the resources/time/capability of navigating the legal system necessary to sue.
idkalan
I was in a jury where the landlord failed to return the deposit & claimed that the renters left the place a mess. The renters had photos of
RodneyAChance
15 minutes ago I emailed an owner that to clean out the trash from a 650 sq ft one-bedroom apt and the yard will be around $4,000.
andychristman2000
I would struggle as a landlord, car salesmen, or lawyer. Stressful jobs and seems to be more for people with lower levels of empathy.
arek314
You could do ok as a fleet car salesman. You basically deal with same 50 people. You probably don't even get to set prices.
RawSuger
quick google says industry profit margins are high. your anecdote takes your point too far
heybevis01
It’s unfortunate that few can ruin it for the many but as a landlord being taken advantage of leads to things like this to protect ourselves
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
It's the same with employment.
khora
Oh, a lord. Fancy.
bonly89
As a renter I have never paid over $800 and never over $400 with roommates.
homoerection
As a landlord, I never charge last month, deposit is less than the monthly, and pets are totally welcome. And I never increase rent 1
homoerection
On a tenant 2
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
So your taxes and insurance went up you just eat that?
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Get references. Make sure they've been employed long term. But don't do this.
DeanOMiite
Im a landlord and a realtor and it's just reality. Market value. And for me it's like...after bills on my 3-family I profit $800, but /
ImNotTaylorSwift
How about we use housing for housing instead of investments?
TheMysteriousBanana
That's exactly what tayler swift would say... ... ...
NoOddJob
well if people were not making money, good luck having a rental market.
DarkestHappyTime
Landlords enjoy being woken at 2am to fix a leak. It's a hobby. /s
DeanOMiite
The rents I charge are very livable and my screening is fair. I'm not ashamed that I used my own money to make more money.
DeadlReactionMagnet
100% that! Never thought of it that way, people shouldn't own multiple dwelling to make money off other people charging for a life necessity
LainaJoy
How so? A non profit association doing it? You would never get any of your maintenance requests fulfilled - broken appliances, leaky pipes
revivelocalmultiplayer
We get that anyway with greedy landlords?
LainaJoy
Was kind of my point
rhilterbrant
I work at a non-profit, we have rentals, you are woefully wrong.
AirplaneNerd
Non-Profit doesn't mean revenue negative. If run responsibly, part of their cost is a reserve fund for repairs and upkeep.
LainaJoy
My apologies for offending anyone. I don't have a full understanding of non profit, then
DeanOMiite
2 then a heating system goes. Or I need a plumber. Or the tenants break something. Or they don't pay. A landlords margins are small and /
crystalskull640
"boo hoo the profit margin on my second home is too low"
DeanOMiite
My margin is great. It's just not without expenses, and it's not my responsibility that everyone have a place to live. My responsibility /
DeanOMiite
2 is to my family, myself, and my tenants. In that order. My tenants are happy and taken care of and they have affordable rents in a place /
DeanOMiite
3 I bought the house to make money. So, I'm gonna make money. I try to make life easy for my tenants when I have them but again I bought /
DeanOMiite
4 it for money and im going to use it to make the most money I can. 4/4
RottGut
To be fair, when you bought that house to make money you took that house out of the market from people who would live in it and that's one 1
IDidntDoIt
I'm a landlord because I can't sell my place for what it's worth. Don't make much at all and have already made repairs. Great tenant though
revivelocalmultiplayer
Been renting for almost 6 years, only ever requested 2 repairs, one was an emergency (water heater flooded my apt and ruined some (1/)
Theraininspaindrainsmainlydownthemainvein
I'm not blaming you but that's kind of the root of the issue. You're trying to maximize profits on a basic necessity.
crystalskull640
this is it, the admittance of greed. Make as much money as possible, screw anyone who suffers. This is how your landlords feel about you.
activeracer28
What state is that? In SD you can change locks and lock the tenant out a week after no rent. Then sue and win.
Saro87
California mostly sides with renters.
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
also happens to have some of the most unreasonable rent in the country
thedelicatesnowflake
Even in some states in Europe it is hard. The right for home has more protection than the proprietal right of owner
TheMurph1332
In Michigan squatters rights are out of control. Takes 6 months or to remove a squatter some times. Especially in the city of Detroit.
aristera
Sue for what? Can't get water from a stone.
MyPhoneLowPixeledOnTheCarpet
Dude that's savage, but they could be withholding to fund an addiction.
Dorsk84
When you sue and win. There is a "lean" put on that person for payment of damages/rent. If they try to rent again, it pops a flag.
Dorsk84
Family had to do this on one renter that let the pipes burst cause he didn't put oil in the furnace. They have fuel help programs for people
RussianBot42069
sounds like SD is a better place to be than this hellhole
ArtWarLurk
Can't do that in FL, even squatters have rights here.
PapaUberGeek314
In most sane jurisdictions squatters need to prove 20+ years occupation, ink order to have any rights to the land. - Surveyor
DeadyBearr
Is SD South Dakota because of you mean San Diego you are very wrong.
ASneakyTurtle
Took me almost 6 months to remove a renter who never payed beyond down payment
T0go
bloodust
The trick is to not pay.. and be broke
DukeofKMS
Did you ever struggle to put food on the table or keep a roof above your head? No? Then you did not struggle. He did.
SouperScott
Don't force your struggle to be someone else's if they don't want to help.
3DJutsu
Silly me, here I thought barely getting by paycheck to paycheck was struggling...
DukeofKMS
From meal to meal or insulin to insulin is. What you describe is just reality for 90% in a capitalistic system.
DarkestHappyTime
Oh nevermind, you're a troll. You couldn't even do the basic research that's available at your fingertips.
Moridin23
I love when people are hostile in their naivety. Bad people do exist regardless of class. Stop assuming the person with more money is 1/2
DukeofKMS
And their percentage is similarly small in all classes.
Moridin23
2/2 automatically the evil one in every situation. If you read his description, it is clear that the renter was a scumbag
lordratner
No, he stole.
DukeofKMS
And why? Certainly only to cause trouble for you and live the high life. That’s why people steal, in a country with next to no social net.
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SpaceBanditBaron
You never know, I live in the scandie-"socialist utopia" still assholes around here
BelleofdaBall
Yes. I went hungry so did my wife, I'm still ashamed of it. But we clawed our way up, without breaking the law.
DukeofKMS
So you got lucky, my? Me too, nee too. Used to have 250 Euro per month. Now I’m middle class. We were lucky our work paid off.
BelleofdaBall
I've found the harder I work, the luckier I get.
LeftoverMeatloafIsTheBest
Don't be ashamed of having gone hungry- be proud of clawing your way up!
ASneakyTurtle
Those renters destroyed the house, sold the appliances to a pawn shop, removed copper pipping and left the house filled with trash
00WinterSun00
better screening
DukeofKMS
Imaging being that poor. Come on! Try it! Imagine it!
QuackWok
Wow I dont know why you got downvoted into oblivion. Pretty funny comment if you ask me
TheLurkIsReal
That behavior isn't from being poor. It's addiction.
JuicyMuIIet
Are you trying to justify them stealing from him/her and trashing the house? Or am I missing something?
Skywalker2416
No. I mean, yes, but sarcastically, to show the absurdity of them having a justification just because they’re poor
GoblinOfPoliticalSuccubus
I don't know if he was justifying it or being sarcastic.
LumTheMadMan
He is
justtruth
Because theft and vandalism is ok if you put yourself in a bad situation... pull your head out
DukeofKMS
No. But it is almost criminal neglect, not to look at the reasons in a grand scale.
DukeofKMS
Yeah, poor people are poor because the made themselves poor by choices. Sure. That’s how inequality works. Rich smart, poor dumb.
Magnum3point141592654
Better screening and unannounced visits are great tools. Ring the doorbell and then check on the house. Besides, it's good PMCS practice.
bobbyflei
Dunno why you are getting downvoted. Different states have different laws. Some states are actually landlord-friendly
SouperScott
He got downvoted for making a blanket statement that you yourself confirmed could be wrong depending on the state in your own comment.
Apocallama
Yeah that's 100% illegal I'm pretty sure
Magnum3point141592654
See my reply to TronSwanson.
thatshytidontlike
If you drop by unannounced then you can get yourself another tenant (and I PAY) Take your chances w/ someone who’s willing to put up w/ that
looseasamoose
Whilst yes you should keep an eye on the property for bad signs it's 100% illegal to do that and harass the tenant in most countries.
looseasamoose
Unfortunately the regular shitty tenants know how to present to get into a place. They deliberately exploit ppl
doktorivan210
By saying PMCS, you announced yourself as military. You also just explained why that way works, and also why it doesn't (it's illegal).
SouperScott
According to other comments, in North Carolina you can walk right in. It varies from state to state.
lamoinejeff
Found the shitty landlord
6bagboy
And typically illegal. Unless it’s a maintenance emergency, you have to give 24 hours notice before entering.
Magnum3point141592654
Didn't say entering unannounced. Showing up unannounced isn't illegal. When they open the door, state you want to check on the house. Legal.
Magnum3point141592654
Not in North Carolina, you don't.
ASneakyTurtle
The amount of bad tenants and difficulty removing them cause of town and state laws. Has made the rental bar so high.
DarkestHappyTime
Keep an ear to the ground and remember your notes. I'll work with the community for some of my cheaper units. Single parent working
DarkestHappyTime
Themselves out of the situation have been my best tenants. Early rent grants discounts and I don't push for the 10% rule on those.
LesLesVegetables
Basically making a high cost of entry so people willing to spend that on a rental won't sell and take your shit?
JoeT85
the reality is that a lot of people are self entitled scumbags. It's also true that no-one takes care of your stuff the way you would.
leperoutcastunclean
In some places, aren't you also not allowed to throw people out/cut off utilities during the winter, when it would be a death sentence?
DeanOMiite
Honestly it's just market value. If enough people will pay it, then that's what it will cost
onthe6ball
fixed costs...mortgage, taxes, insurance and maintenance have to be covered. banks, tax collectors and insurance don't care.
DeanOMiite
Expand on that? I'm not sure what you're getting at
GoblinOfPoliticalSuccubus
It costs a lot to own a property and the rent has to cover costs and risks/liabilities.
justtruth
Well now you're speaking economics and people don't like that.
GooseWhoGames
And the stagnant non-increasing wages has made it unattainable.
GooseWhoGames
Ugh. Have*
neoritter
What non increasing wages? Avg got up past 4% last year. Lowest income bracket saw 9% growth.
vayxes
I wish their was a bluebook for tenants. Or maybe a renter score that would allow good tenants to avoid certain upfront costs
iamawaffleiron
You can request your landlord report your rental payments to a credit company. Helps build credit and a track record.
fallenman479
Isn't this the excuse for credit checks?
justtruth
Usually those are called evictions. Typically though it's a cash grab for move outs. Though personally I've never lost out on my deposit
Sp00kyVaginosis
Kept 120 for carpet cleaning that they claimed they were going to remove anyways.. fuck deposits
SirBagels
College student. They kept 40 for light bulbs we weren't responsible for. Fuck security deposits, there needs to be a third party that
SirBagels
Reviews the place before and after. I've lost hundreds on stuff I have no control over.
SuperMaggie0531
I have never moved into a place that was 100% perfect and I have never gotten 100% of my deposit back, no matter how perfect I left it.
russrob84
Thats......thats actually a good idea! Why isn't there something like that.
StealthyRPG
China has it! its call your social rating... or was it an episode of black mirror.... or BOTH!
russrob84
Yeah, but thataffects every area of your life, which is awful and a political way to silence opponents to the government,
bedframe
Because it would be abused by creeps and the damaged.
Xdeddc
Because if you can get a good tenant through high rent, why wouldnt you just keep doing that. Landlords dont care about saving you money.
russrob84
Thats kinda whats already going on anyway, alot of people I’ve rented from always apologized for rent hikes or the cost up front. So no!?
SciGuy
Because nobody has made it yet
guy73378
Psst its called Facebook.... Really all social media. Perfect? No. But is a good indicator when a person does not have respect
ArtOzz
Vetting, accountability, and insurance. Does none of this help?
ASneakyTurtle
I’ve had a guy rent a property only to move his side girl into it and then she destroyed it. He tried to sue me to get his deposit back lol
ArtOzz
So...vetting - are you employed, do you references, etc. - accountability - you agree not to do this, if you do this, no deposit, plus I
ArtOzz
know who you are, where you are, and if you do stupid shit, I'll see you in court - and insurance - I'm renting this house, so if its
evilpsych
No, not really
Archstump
It’s not even just the meth heads any more, you get scouts who look like they are on the level next thing you know in comes 18family members
StanielRonathan
The ones who are going to run a meth lab out of your place don't usually look like their customers either.
ArtOzz
Good gods. I'm a UK resident and I've seen some shit but not 18 family members.
evilpsych
Yup.
DukeofKMS
Yeah no. The rents rise due to demand and supply. Plus the unspoken cartel of owners who only rise but never lower the rent.
justtruth
When people stop paying for it it stops going up.
KinetoPlay
That's often not true. Landlords will leave units empty rather than lower the price because it lowers the property value of other units.
justtruth
Rarely if ever true. Market rates fluctuate. Up and down... make money over a wasted unit. That's reality
ASneakyTurtle
The Chinese buying property as tax shelters have caused the local rental and housing market to go crazy price high
dasoffendor
years ago i worked for a dotcom, one time an executive said to me, "well if this venture tanks, there's always the houses..." "What?" 1/
dasoffendor
turns out the CEO had a side business of buying up properties. By the time I left that job, he owned something like 600 houses in Phoenix
dasoffendor
many bought during the recession at rock bottom prices. housing values here have doubled since then.
noneyabusiness34
inflation keeps going up so rent will follow at least at that rate
Notme68
Wages haven't risen in years and the housing market certainly hasn't gone up like 5% a year. Rent is raised because they know you don't 1
Notme68
want to go moving. And that moving would probably cost as much as the year's rent increase. I countered that just one month of 1
DukeofKMS
Since 1980 the median rent went up from 300 to 1500 USD, while 100 USD in 1980 are now 311 USD.
cecilryegate
It's never a proportional inflation. It's rampant unfettered capitalism doing exactly what it was designed to do. Funnel wealth.
PaperCl1p
If no one will pay the rent the price goes down, that's how it works
DukeofKMS
As people like to live in houses, and rents being equal in a metropolitan area, people have no choice.
GoblinOfPoliticalSuccubus
Having a month where no one is renting the place has a pretty high cost on the owner.
ASneakyTurtle
My property taxes have gone up faster than inflation
DukeofKMS
And your property income, too, didn’t it? Or did you just become poorer and poorer the more you own?
DarkestHappyTime
Same here. One of my commerical properties valuation increased by ~25% while the taxes increased ~55%. I'm still angry.
PaperCl1p
Taxes suck
ASneakyTurtle
Taxes need to happen. The town rasing taxes to pay for a new outdoor modern art installation to be over run by homeless and destroyed sucks