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junkgoof
Corruption comes mainly from the right. It's why fiscal conservatives exist. Cut spending so there is more to steal.
romicra88
Lol, both sides are touchy. Critique one and they think you support the other.
cleannicefrenchimgurian
Aimanfire
In true free market capitalism, the government should have no association with corporations. Sadly, that's a pipe dream at this point.
GandalftheCaucasian
VOTE
codeblue4me4
We need a wage revolution.
ImmortanJoe97
OLHA O CHICO!
cleannicefrenchimgurian
vonKaiser
Everyone when they finally realize that it's all the politicians, regardless of party lines.
SwiftyGuy
So if they’re all corrupt, no exceptions, what’s the real solution?
Rainbowdaesh
Politicians that claim the government is broken to win an election have no incentive to fix anything when it’s time for re-election.
georgejimmydoodle
Do they think that poor people have the power to corrupt the government?
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Yes, they think poor people voting in their best interest is just plain illegal now and I wish I was joking.
cleannicefrenchimgurian
??? this guy is CHICO BUARQUE a very famous brazilian singer, how did he become a meme? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0idNXDsuSw
malachilenomade
Why would they smile when you point out gov't corruption? They are the major part of the gov't right now.
FutureHylian
"Its not corruption if I do it!"
Gorgrim
The Right when you point out the government they voted for is corrupt: BoTh SiDeS! Butwhatabout!! Nuh hu!
FrolickingFrolicking
The right hates the public good (“get your own public good”) and they love billionaires and broken social systems
samcabo
They also hate lazy people , which you suspiciously sound like you might be.
FrolickingFrolicking
^what delusional ideology looks like. You realize republicans in Congress GET health insur at work, but vote to take it away from Americans?
CurseUrSuddenButInevitableBetrayal
The LEFT when you say we should care about people. The LEFT when you say how about you personally contribute to care for these people?
IgnoreAlienOrders
Leftists like to congratulate themselves about how compassionate they are when spending other people's money.
CurseUrSuddenButInevitableBetrayal
Not a Left or a Right person, both sides sucks, but during this time, maybe we should stop with the sides and focus on the real problem.
willalot
Look imgur left is circle jerking itself again.
Lanhdanan
Oh, look, another mute opportunity.
hardytardigrade
Look, an ad hominem
SpammaJamma
Gababu
So what point of our american social history is so great that MAGA people want to go back to?
thefishhiddenbehindtheairconditioner
to the time when u can "call it like it is" ...or, "i want to be a bigot with no social repercussions".
Babybunz
Lol so true. The right loves to hate on government as some abstract formless universal. Talk abt how it’s owned by capital & they plug ears
Dares
Most of the Democrats and Republicans are both the same type of Neo-Liberal corporatists.
AxelBeingCivil
Yeah, the Democratic Party's real left wing got straight-up murdered (literally, in many cases) by the establishment in 50s, 60s, and (1)
AxelBeingCivil
70s. Democrats adopted Third Way politics to appeal to white suburbanites in the late 80s and 90s. Biden, Pelosi, etc., they're all just (2)
AxelBeingCivil
the same neoliberalism with a prettier bow. If you want actual progress, gotta replace them with more Justice Dems. (3)
gtmiller
They tried to primary out "The Squad" and then tried to cover it up after they were destroyed in the polls.
AxelBeingCivil
For those interested who may be reading this: Check out Run For Something!
MrTuttlesDriversEDClass
If you think this is a Republican vs Democrat problem then you are a fool
baileycaleb5
Right on. There is no monetary dichotomy between left and right, depressingly poor and extravagantly rich exist on both sides. As does greed
hardytardigrade
But if you think the problem is the same on both sides, you are a bigger fool.
hardytardigrade
MrTuttlesDriversEDClass
Yes your chart with no markings as to what those lines mean was extremely helpful. I have now changed my ways
hardytardigrade
Try the link: http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Shh, only alt facts here, not real facts.
nhnmreWatcher
1) buying votes with promises that can’t be kept is also a form of corruption 2) corporations have historically donated to both parties
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
True, but not the whole story. Democrats wont turn down free money, but they also don't destroy everything in return for it.
hardytardigrade
Promises that can't be kept, or proposals that were obstructed? One party "donates" more to corporations than the other. One source:
hardytardigrade
https://documented.net/2019/08/alec-legislators-am-2019/
PiggyWobbles
pretty sad when we're comparing "promising stuff you cant deliver" to "putting Ajit Pai at the head of the FCC to dismantle it for profit"
nhnmreWatcher
Although Trump prompted him, Pai was made FCC commissioner by Obama.
PiggyWobbles
He was made head of the FCC by republicans, and his position is defended by republicans... oh and they also opposed net neutrality
squashpirates
You guys clearly don’t know many conservatives. Unless you’re talking about politicians... they all fucking corrupt.
q34tw4
I live in Houston Texas and I know/known many and yes this is them. Its painful
Nicodemusthefirst
While I wouldn't say all politicians are corrupt I would say too many are corrupt.
removekarling
When conservatives talk about 'corruption' in corporations they're referring to how corporations sometimes put pride flags or BLM stuff out
ath1337e
I hope you're right, man.
nothingtowritehomeabout
Are you talking about those that are perfectly happy looking the other way on the gov screwing them over as long as they pay lip svc to God?
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I live in idaho and this is pretty much every conservatuve I've met.
CaptainSilver42
Most conversatives I know acknowledge the corruption of wealth and big business, but refuse to do anything about it, at least politically
alsoAzrael
There are tons of conservative voters where I live and they've all recently decided that they're against govt. and police accountability.
hardytardigrade
The meme fits conservative politicians a lot more closely than conservative voters. The thing is though, the voters support the politicians.
evilcarp
What conservatives? The few conservative Republicans left were at the DNC looking for a new party that isn't bat shit crazy.
Royoffinland
Does this mean in the states, that one party is run by rich people and the other by poor? We have it like they're all rich leeches.
LovesToSpooge517
Here your option is the center-right Democrats or the hard-right Republicans
aumniverse
Nope, both major parties play for the same team. Their roles is to make the poor and middle class squabble amongst themselves.
wlfman
currently, there seems to be one party that is at least attempting to help the American people, and one that is blatantly helping themselves
zphobic
One party takes oligarch money openly & shamelessly. The other party does so shamefully. Both say universal healthcare is impossible.
hardytardigrade
Even the ones demanding Medicare for all? Not true.
zphobic
I mean, quibble with my incredibly-broad statement for an outsider all you want. Yes, there are iconoclasts. AOC is technically a Democrat.
zphobic
Would you accept "generally act as if" instead of "say"? I was running out of space.
hardytardigrade
It's not just one "outsider": https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1384/cosponsors
zphobic
Half of House Democrats co-sponsored a feel-good dead-on-arrival bill with no chance of passing Senate or Presidential veto? It's a start.
ajchafe
The US has two right wing parties.
ThankYouForYourTime
But only one of those parties gets blamed for right wing policies.
semirelatedcomments
I wonder how things would change if you introduced like a social Democratic Party and some other ideology so they at least had four parties
semirelatedcomments
Maybe the dems be obsolete and merge with the repubs. then they split into a Christian Conservative Party and a liberal Conservative party..
semirelatedcomments
Damn, why am I speculating out loud??
marsgoose
Both parties are center right, very little difference between them besides branding and sales pitch.
marsgoose
Both parties also have a few prominent liberal(in the non-American meaning of the word) members, but are otherwise fairly authoritarian.
hardytardigrade
That is objectively false.
marsgoose
Ah chart with no scale and without explanation how those metrics are quantified.
hardytardigrade
And a web address: http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/
Beleg7
Eh, you could have made this argument seriously a few years ago. Nowadays we clearly have a center right and far right.
Beleg7
But people who don't want to vote for the Democrats love to pretend they're the same.
marsgoose
Well I can't vote because I'm not a citizen and don't like either the dems or republicans, don't really have a horse in this race.
marsgoose
Depends on what you define as far right, I see many people use the term differently.
marsgoose
I'm more concerned in the rise of authoritarianism and totalitarianism of both left and right.
Beleg7
Okay. Both are also worse in the GOP than the Democrats, so stop with the "both sides" bullshit.
Beleg7
Any definition of "far right" that is meaningful at all covers the current GOP.
marsgoose
So "far right" is whatever the current GOP is. Based and goalpostpilled.
jerner15
Growing up in Texas I remember everyone hating politicians and rich businessmen equally. But during the Obama years there was this big shift
surprisecottoncandy
It’s because Obama is black.
HeyOhBotchedToe
If you look at the history of the Rep party, back to when they trashed and abandoned the Dem party, you see that was legit their nightmare.
semirelatedcomments
No I think he was just tanned
QuantumReek
I'm 'The Right' and I hate big government AND I hate big corporations. Google, Facebook, Tencent, etc. can eat a dong. Broad brush here, OP.
SitDownAndStudy
Why is eating a dong a punishment? Do conservative men not enjoy receiving oral sex? Why is providing the service derogatory?
QuantumReek
What can I say? Ya got me there. If you too enjoy a mouthful of dong, then please by all means, eat a dong as well. (JOKE!)
FrolickingFrolicking
Can you give some examples of “big government”? Military budget bigger than rest of the world combine? Police with tanks? Or..food safety?
QuantumReek
1) Not being a troll. Just that it's easier to google and get a massive list of government waste. Good examples on the left & the right
QuantumReek
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=biggest+examples+of+government+waste
freshthrowaway1138
It's almost as if there are lots of private groups working hard to make people think that "the government" is always wasteful by making/
freshthrowaway1138
/ propaganda that supports their view as easy to find as possible.
ADamnArtist
And wait until OP discovers the European alt-right - hates large corporations and the wealthy too.
TPope
How do you propose we prevent big corporations without government regulation?
QuantumReek
Do I have to come up with a solution to debate to have a valid opinion? I mean, I have ideas but I want to get this out of the way first
TPope
I'm not so much looking for a debate as genuinely curious what can prevent monopolistic consolidation of capital aside from regulation
TPope
In order to get me to believe something I don't currently see as possible is possible, yes, you need a proposed solution
QuantumReek
1) I'm not saying I have any answers. I'm only saying demonizing the right is out of control. We're not all the same. Just because someone
QuantumReek
2) antigovernment doesn't mean they're pro big-business either. And just because they don't have a solution to monopolies without big gov't
hardytardigrade
The meme applies more to politicians than to voters.
QuantumReek
My bad. All the anti-right stuff on imgur has me on the defensive. Although there are a (very) few anti-big corp 'right' politicians too...
Bangbox
I'm a lifelong Republican. The Republican party is dead. I differentiate between what was the right and today's insane Trumptard Nation.
Spartan79
So much this, the over generalizations and demonization of the right has gotten tiresome.
hardytardigrade
Are there specific misconceptions or over-generalizations you can point out?
QuantumReek
I dunno. "Conservatives are touchy when you talk about the masters" kinda nails it on the head, eh?
QuantumReek
It's definitely gotten old. Almost don't want to look at imgur anymore these days.
Pancakes9000
Same, brother. And any comments center or right of center are demonized. They’re frothing at the mouth.
Spartan79
I'm enjoying being down voted for expressing my dislike of hate and the cessation of conversation these posts breed ?
grklein
Not totally unrelated fact: the guy in the photo is one of Brazil's greatest ever musicians: Chico Buarque, and he's very leftist.
Acronymicon
Looks like Greg Brady
arnika69
He reminds me, visually, of Buster Keaton and it makes me happy.
Skullwriter
Not just leftist, he was tortured by the brazilian dictatorship and made a whole opera about how shitty things are with the right in charge.
grklein
Yes, his earlier works were very political, and are his best, in my opinion.
thesmarterdog
But they're all "LET'S RUN THE GOVT LIKE A BUSINESS!"
hiidgaf
The united states IS a corporation though
KidneyBeene
No... they want less government and more business.
RADmadness
I never understood that. The government exists to spend money. Businesses exist to make money. They're asking to fail at both ends.
icommentwithsteveharvey
ravnicrasol
And that's a fundamental issue when ensuring basic human rights is generally not profitable.
DHooligan3485
We're not profiting off of social security and medicare. Let's get rid of it
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
We definitely aren't profiting off the military.
RackhamTheRed
SchrodingerMil
Then they’re like “Socialism is evil! Also support the military!” But the military gets access to Socialism benefits.
Orionsdick
AND LET'S LET THE GUY WHO BANKRUPTED SIX BUSINESSES BE IN CHARGE OF IT ALL
marsgoose
Government should be run like a business, preferably like blockbuster.
somnif
But, wait, I thought corporations should be treated like people....
KAPTKipper
Well the current President is running it like all his bankruptcies, then he'll step off and escape with the money.
puppet
dillanb
Yea straight into the ground lol
Secsletariat
The government is run like a business. They just want to run it as a vulture capital business.
Sprixxen
And the left wants to give more power to the government? How about less power to the corporations. Less power to the gov. Power to the ppl.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
They do. It's just that their voters think they'll be the shareholders, not the expendable wage slaves.
AmorHudd
Why has no one asked who the shareholders will be, if they run it like a business? I can guess. And it's definitely not the citizens
KeepYourTangoAndYourFoxtrot
Well, if it were the citizens, wouldn't that be "socialism?"
GingerLaird
Wasn't America all about "For the People, By the People"?
AmorHudd
No because in socialism, even if the government does tur. up profit, you still get value as social services. This wouldn't be the case here
AmorHudd
doesn't turn up*
armagetz
Actually, they are all: “let’s decentralize power like intended so there’s less incentive to corrupt”
thesmarterdog
I would buy that - if only the RW wasn't SOOOOOOO corrupt....
thesmarterdog
They don't even try to hide it.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
Yes because the last two republican administrations have done SO much to reduce the power of the executive. Get real.
armagetz
It’s not solely the executive I’m speaking of....and I’m at a loss of where even trump expanded executive powers anyway, much less Bush.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Thats not even true. The republican leadership to the base regularly says "run it like a businesses" nor would decentralized power do that.
armagetz
Who said that? Trump? In the past few years? And it then becomes a core tenet that all republicans believe?
armagetz
You might need to reconsider the dangers inherent of acting based on generalized labels.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Since the child with an indefensible position muted me, I'll just say I've yet to meet a conservative who doesn't think this.
manowar669
It's an oligarchy, they're the same people.
Bukkhockey
An oligarchy is supposed to be a small group, not sure if 100million people qualify as small. I guess it's all relative
AvianFox
I think its more of a plutocracy.
Jshulhu
Plutonic oligarchical panopticon.
ChuckKarma
They know each other. We must maintain current campaign finance regulations & reverse judicial setbacks of past ones via const. amendment.
chrismofer
jedionslaught
Its more like they are on the red team or the blue team, while everyone else below them are the pawns in their games.
TheBlackKaiser
I argue that the government is subservient.
wabitgirl
It's TECHNICALLY a plutocracy, which is a FORM of oligarchy.
joshuasplinth
But, it’s an oligarchy with INTERMITTENT control.
Richter12x2
Like I said before. Communism means all of the money and power is held by politicians and oligarchs. Capitalism is same, but no healthcare.
miniBUTCHA
It's a funny quote but it's flawed
unnecessaryweevil
Capitalism is communism with healthcare??? For fuck sales... Marx, Engels, Proudhon and the Internationals are rolling in their graves...
unnecessaryweevil
Where did you get that awful definition? From Marx's own words, Communism means: to each according to need, from each according to ability.
SacrificesForCthulhu
Gonna play devil's advocate: The poor white trash family living in a trailer park is not the 1%, but they are likely Republicans.
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
You're missing the point, the two party system has nothing to do with it.
DiscoTurtle87
And who spends the money to persuade them to remain Republicans even though it is against there better interests?
Theory89
Same in the UK. We had people vote Tory because, i shit you not, they "didn't want jeremy corbyn to take away the food banks they rely on"..
Theory89
(his plan was to stop people from needing them in the first place)
darthnerdus6236
They are Republicans because anything else is Communism.
arfysdad
No, but they are roped in by culture wars. Guns, God, gays, foreigners bring them around every time.
kenetiket
I believe he's saying that the corrupt government and big business are the same since business controls so much of legislation
Fjould
2sides of the same coin, or as George Carlin said, it’s one giant club and we aren’t invited
kenetiket
Well maybe you aren't but man its gonna be so damn good when i strike rich and join myself! /s
corvidaeopus
As a poor white family living in a trailer park I can honestly say that most of my neighbors are Republicans.
DharmaDumpling
I think many poor white people bought the idea that Democrats will take away their money and give it to Black "welfare queens"
DharmaDumpling
Which creates conflict within the lower class and keeps them from looking at the rich as oppressors
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
So they're uneducated and racist? That's not any sort of redeeming quality. All that shows is how easily they can be conned.
DharmaDumpling
The American educational system is craptastic at best unless you have money for private school. There is a definite, clear gap between them.