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MightyUrto
This is a quality post
putcleverusernamehere
"You'd die pretty quickly from gunshot wounds" LOL
Euchre
I'm just gonna stay away even if there aren't people with guns guarding it ready to shoot on sight. If some control mechanism fails, that water gonna get blown away, boil me whole, or have some other spectacularly bad circumstance that wouldn't be healthy to be exposed to.
senyu
Yeah, the White House and nuke plants are the two kinds of places where 'shoot first ask questions later' is the MO for stormers.
toolzgalore2
Love XKCD responses
AlexanderElcazorro
Alternatively, the guards are ready to shoot you for swimming in the forbidden pool, but the guard captain needs co-operation from The Ring Bearer.
AliceInjection
Isn't there one of these in a MGS2 boss fight?
RadTechExtreme
You could put a fish in the pool and as it swam down it would die if stayed near the surface it would survive
wadenelson
What about the guy who tried drinking heavy water? (2%)
atomicsockmonkey
The guards fill you with enough lead to handle the radiation so you're fine either way.
Totallynotarealbear
*coughs up blood* you fools! youve made me radiation proof! *hemorrhages*
kahlas
Reminds me of a show where they focuses on a host visiting sites where they were doing heavy lifts with cranes. One was a turbine replacement at a nuclear plant. The host had a few conversations with the armed security guards present. About half way through the episode he made a comment to one about realizing they were there to protect the reactor from him and his filming crew.
AvsFreak
That's where snake fights vamp.
Leithoa
Nuclear reactor diver is a real job. They only work a few projects per year but someone has to inspect pipes & seals & the other stuff in there.
TheChunguskaEvent
artistandascholar2000
Mom?!
piconuke
what in the goatse is that
Chickenlicker
harlequin baby that made it to adulthood
LinkWieldsTheTriforceOfCourage
Flukeman from X-Files, I think.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Correct!
Frederf
The point of the pool is to shield radiation so it makes sense that the pool is deep enough to attenuate the radiation to safe levels plus a factor of safety (1.5, 2.0, 2.5, whatever) so it makes sense that the top layer is fine. If it wasn't fine the pool is underspec'd.
cousteau
2.0x more what? 2x more water, or 2x more radiation shielding (i.e. about 3 inches more water since it halves every 3 inches)?
Frederf
depends if you're designing for there to be 2x more radiation than expected or half the water will be missing. Nuc reactor probably designed for both to happen simultaneously
cousteau
So 2x the water plus 3 inches. Guess I can live with that.
Hexidimentional
the top several feet of the pool are probably pointless but you know, just in case
michaelfire
ifounditunderthere
michaelfire
mezzomike
What if swimming in it made a bunch of old people feel young again?
Clockworkdancerobot
This was a question to XKCD's Randal Monroe's What If? Water is used in these to block radiation, so as long as you don't dive and hug the casks, you're good. https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ You would be a bit better since water blocks normal background radiation as well.
aradiah
Yes! I thought of this question from the book as well. Wonderful read
dunkum09
for anyone who didn't click that link and read it (which I highly recommend you do): the piece at the end of the image above, about being shot before you get to the water is a direct quote from the end of that piece
Alfadorfox
It looks like it's a direct screen capture, even. (cropped)
lordofthegoats
My question is what is the temperature of the spent fuel pool? I mean depending on the waters temperature the radiation may be a moot point.
archerreggie11
Usually around 90 degrees Fahrenheit
cousteau
Cozy!
IrrelevantOutsideOfMyBubble
As mentioned in https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/, such pools are regularly serviced by divers.
Donoiw
" You'll die "
" From radiation? "
" What? No. From security shooting you. "
WynnCreek
What if I throw a spider in, fish it out and then have it bite me?
PTKrieg
Then the guard calls you mean names while they wrestle you to the floor and zip-tie you, *and* you have a spider bite to deal with.
MeatGob
Why gunshot wounds? Is there some reason they don't want you swimming in the pool that badly? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
cousteau
Have you never seen a super hero movie? Sheesh, this generation, really...
MeatGob
Pardon me, but as an intellectual, I only watch stuff that makes Martin Scorsese cum.
TI99Kitty
They don't want people absorbing all the life force in there. It's the only thing keeping the cocoons alive.
archerreggie11
Actually that is the spent fuel pool, I slipped and dunked my leg in one with no ill effects
dreadpirateguybrush
....Terry?
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Which leg, the left, the right, or the other one?
archerreggie11
Left,a little of the other one
nevetsx
They could have family swim day every week, bring the kids!
nevetsx
No diving Timmy!
ProphetofEntropy
they want to keep the water as clean as possible, so no they dont even let people get close to the water during tours. radiation has nothing to do with it, its more that a piece of debris getting caught in a pump or valve will cause tens of millions dollars worth of damage/downtime.
nevetsx
So they don't pitch their empty beer bottles in there when they finish lunch?
MadCat221
Cherenkov Radiation itself is not deadly... but whatever is causing it is.
Dudeeronomy
The fall doesn’t kill you, it’s the sudden stop at the end.
onlyhalfghost
this is accurate, but this is also not Cerenkov blue, or even glowing. Pretty sure it's just the pool's water and the color of the walls.
cousteau
Energy megacorps?
avastmehearty
Came to say that, the Cherenkov glow is only the visible light wake made by those deadly particles zipping by
QuartzPoker
They aren't always deadly. Sometimes they give you the power to turn into The Hulk.
LehmanParty
My MARA short calls are also undergoing some massive gamma exposure
cousteau
Fun fact you may already know: those particles are traveling faster than the speed of light (the speed of light *in water*, not in a vacuum - can't get faster than that)
LoitninStroik
Wait, they're faster in water than light is in a vacuum? How does that work?
onlyhalfghost
the particles are moving faster than light does in water.
LoitninStroik
Gotcha. Thanks.
DrLOAC
Let me clear it up. Speed of light in a vacuum - the fastest. Light zipping through water - slower than zipping through vacuum. Particles zipping through water faster than light in water but slower than light in vacuum = Cherenkov Radiation.
LoitninStroik
Ah, that makes sense. Thank you.
DavidBrooker
That pool is spent fuel cooling, not a reactor. It is not blue form Cherenkov radiation. It is blue because that is the natural color of water and that becomes more obvious when there is a lot of it, and from ambient lighting.
ScottNapalm
I don't know why you got downvoted because all of that is true
terajack2048
So what I am hearing is hot tub party at reactor pool?
HalfScram
True: That pool is spent fuel cooling, not a reactor.
But it IS blue from Cherenkov radiation. The effect is strongest immediately after offloading recently irradiated fuel, but persists for years.
DavidBrooker
The energy of cherenkov radiation is approximately proportional to wavelength, which is why it appears such brilliant blue (the upper limit of perception). It also dissipates with distance. So it wouldn't appear either as aquamarine, nor uniform through the pool. Here's an example where both are present, and you can see quite a difference in both color and uniformity.
HalfScram
Oh my, I just looked at the picture again, you're absolutely right! Sorry
avastmehearty
This is a really good illustration of your point, cool! (Or hot in this case!)
archerreggie11
I thought water was clear
cousteau
It is clear with a very faint blue dye. I'm not sure it would be visible in a pool. More like an ocean.
LiterallyAWizard
It's such an extremely light shade of blue, combined with such a high degree of translucency, that significant quantities are required before the color becomes visible.
BaconAlmighty
3.6 roentgen. Not Great. Not Terrible.
DrKidemonas
How many sieverts is that?
totaleclipseofdescartes
tg2222222
Going to watch that again. So good.
Tigersterne
Don't our dosimeters only go up to 3.6?
zenmaster11
Came here for this
Pirsquar
That's actually significant. You should evacuate the surrounding area.
joukeH
So it's not great, but not: the roof is off the reactor building terrible?
Pirsquar
The roof isn't the issue. The graphite that exited the reactor THROUGH the roof? That's bad. Don't touch it.
PerpetualExhaustion
Comrade, would you care to explain why I saw graphite on the ground?
2112eric5772
No you didn't.
DrLOAC
BECAUSE IT’S NOT THERE!
kapta3nklutch
Comrade, why did the deputy director see graphite on the roof?
kyzentun
Radiation is small packets of kinetic energy, bullets are large packets of kinetic energy. Basically the same thing.
aroundtheworldin80years
he'srightyouknow.jpg, and an angry upvote.
Efreeti
Good. Now I know how a nuclear reactor works. Now I don't need you.
LeSethX
Dunnu, sounds like radiation is microdosing kinetic energy. Vault-Tec suggests building up a tolerance to bullets by exposing yourself to radiation first!
malbec
“Hey Siri How do I favorite a comment and give it an accolade?”
Banana369
Yeah, but what kind of research are they doing that requires armed guards?
cousteau
Sometimes kinetic energy AND electric charge. Not sure how much that matters. Just felt the need to point it out.
GWJYonder
Yeah you are right, they probably pick up a lot of static coming out of the barrel.
Marsupialmessiah
The blue hue is mostly the tiles reflection, but the shine is sherenkov radiation. Google it, pretty interesting if you are into math. Wont kill you, butni wouldnt deep dive in one of these pools as your impurities and normal metabolic juice will get radioactive and kill you
cousteau
Yeah, I already knew a thing or two about Cherenkov radiation. (...Well, in fact exactly two. It's blue, and it's caused by particles traveling faster than the speed of light in water, which sounds super cool tbh.)
piconuke
and a particle accelerator is just a very small caliber gun
WhatzitTooya
Fun fact, they accelerate (among other things) cores of lead atoms.
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
Both are particle beam weapons - some more particle, some more beam.
Quixus
GAU-8 is bridging the gap.
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
Introducing the Strohl Munitions BH-250 Plasma Cannon: This page shows usage, effects, and defenses against. https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-07-10
Djkb6718
Mind_blown.gif
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Almost happened to one dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski
RAJrios
That was a very interesting read, thank you.
Navrodel
The difference between a coilgun and a particle accelerator is merely a matter of scale.
piconuke
I mean, you could make an argument that a particle beam is a plasma weapon while a coilgun fires solid projectiles
Legomaniac91
And a toaster is just a death ray with a smaller power supply!
080080
mass effect weapons
SquaresUnfiltered
I was wondering why CERN got a sponsorship from Glock /s
BooksandBiceps
Well, a gun that fires bullets at relativistic properties. Here's a fun read about the consequences of being caught in the beam! https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=particle+accelerator+injury&cvid=b1bfc608d80f436f8f08a5ea6b6397f0&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEAAYQDIGCAAQABhAMgcIARDrBxhA0gEIMjg3NmowajGoAgCwAgA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTS
Beelsebooob
Crazily, particle accelerators are such small calibre that they can shoot through you without harming you (much). Turns out that when tiny particles decelerate the amount of energy they lose is inversely proportional to their velocity. That means they dump almost all their energy in the place where they finally stop. If the particles are so high energy that they make it all the way through the target, they’ll barely deposit any energy at all. There was a Russian scientist who managed to 1/
Beelsebooob
Get blasted with a proton beam to the head. The total ionising radiation dose was so high that instead of being treated, he was observed to learn about how death from radiation sickness occurs. Instead of dying though, he recovered and completed his PhD.
blaghart
Also a good reminder that caliber tells you basically nothing about how a firearm will perform, which is how you know all the idiots harping about the new M7 Spear being "Terrible" because it fires a 6.8mm round instead of a 5.56 NATO are idiots who have no idea what they're saying
NorthmanoftheNorth
You obviously don't know what you're talking about *loads 9x39mm into a glock mag*
1maGoh12
Isn't the usual assumption that the larger round is better? Why would anyone who didn't know better think the 6.8 is worse than the 5.56?
zerovanity59
If you have proportional barrel length and propellent load and the same propellant and projectile shape, guns from the same era should have a kinetic energy proportional to the cube of the barrel width/projectile width. That is a lot of ifs.
blaghart
because the 7.62 NATO round was infamously uncontrollable in full auto and was unreliable against unarmored targets, it went so fast it just punched through them with minimal stopping power. It's why the 5.56 was designed, it's built from they ground up to kill civilians and unarmored combatants. The 6.8 FURY round is designed to defeat body armor at extreme ranges without being uncontrollable the way the 7.62 is
1maGoh12
Saying it was designed to kill civilians is a bit loaded, given that soldiers weren't wearing armor at the time. It was designed to kill the military threat it was facing, which from armies large and small, was humans sans armor. Being optimized to kill civilians is coincidental. That is, unless you can source the creator saying he did it on purpose. Otherwise, it was designed to eliminate the military that of the time: guys in shirts.