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buttshredder
This is a good idea, the person parroting it is an anti-science wingnut who's lauded by his fans for his ability to form complete sentences.
ydwyrd
Unless the shooter escaped and is on the run, in which case you should definitely publish those things.
kamikazekitten
Shapiro is a blight on humanity, but all should do the same. I just wish they’d quit mentioning Shapiro or Walsh ever again at the DW.
kamikazekitten
The downvoters can get bent. Both guys are attention whores with zero logic skills. They opine and hide.
KarlHungusssss
yup
thenotoriousKEV
What studies show this?
AIComments
None, Ben Shapiro just wants us to not talk about school shootings, or what could be done to prevent them, ever.
Yourelateforthetea
So glad to read this. That's why I dont talk about shootings anymore.
AIComments
We've always been at war with Eastasia
SomeOldGuy
If you do that you'll get all the conspiracy theorists going.
RandyKnapp
Ben Shapiro, despite being correct in this instance, is an idiot.
haroldstickyhands
True but imgur doesn't dig too deep when it sees a quote it likes.
stjohnixx
Sooo... no news?
imoppedthefloorwithyou
This should blast past the front page and into the stratosphere. Plastered in the sky Hunger Games style
andrew2929
yea that'll teach them when they're dead
TouchMyInfection
PrivateEntrance
In other news, the sky is blue.
gellynods
THIS. Gun technology and availability hasn't varied drastically in the last 25 years... media coverage and information availability has.
r0b0tc0rpse
Correct
n0tJesus
They may strive for attention, but if their name is in the news chances are they have been arrested. However it may help curb future1/2
n0tJesus
2/2attention seekers. Its a poorly worded, decent idea. Can’t make the situation any worse.
zaboomy1
It’s not gun laws or video games that need to change. It’s community, nobody who does this feels like they belong.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Most of them don't want to belong
WhatTheFunkBro
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE IMGUR DEBATE 2018 EVERYONE IS RIGHT AND EVERYONE IS WRONG LETS GO
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
but he who does all caps is the rightest off all
alexjonesisagayfrog
I mean cool and although I respect Ben he's got a real garbage track record about talking about gun control (the it's too soon nonsense)
SoundMountain
Watch his discussion with piers Morgan.
alexjonesisagayfrog
O dear Jesus why
alexjonesisagayfrog
Just hearing the name piers Morgan makes me shutter
SoundMountain
It’s hilarious. Piers got shat on
alexjonesisagayfrog
Well that's not impressive at all I think Morgan and Trump would be a fair debate but shapiro and Morgan my god that's just a slaughter
DrKriegersClone
If massacres happen often enough, you can keep it perpetually 'too soon' after the last one for it to be an allowed topic. Right?
forcefulpuspus
Aren't most dead by the end? How would they thrive? Or is it more about the shooters we don't know about?
smittywjmj
Most of them are suicidal anyway. The reason they go on killing sprees is because they want notoriety.
Ardo222
It has more yo do with their name living on in history. It's a disgusting and vile type of narcissism
DIngleberriesForBreakfast
Exactly this. The high score leader board is still there long after the players are gone.
Astro777
It isn't about attention, it's media contagion. Incident happens, gets covered, leads to spike of similar events. Happens with suicide also.
CyanideSprite
Have new studies come out on copycat crimes? Last I read it wasn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be.
Astro777
Don't know about other crimes, but with shootings they found no effect unless there were more than 3 victims.
CyanideSprite
I'd like to read about it if you have a source to share. It's still amazing this news gets around globally and doesn't seem to produce
CyanideSprite
copycats in other countries. Just here, even if it's the case.
AIComments
Go look up the Wikipedia page on school shootings. This isn't the case, at all.
Dangerclosegbu28
Pro sports stopped showing streakers on tv, since then they've had significantly less streakers interrupt games
ruok4a69
So now we have less hairy balls and more dead kids on tv. Good show America!
MajorLeagueFister
Are... Are you implying that a lack of streakers is responsible for Mass shootings?
JohnMagneTrane
VanessaNelson
Penalties for sexual harassment have gone up exponentially, too, might have something to do with it.
googlediid
Studies also suggest that countries that have passed gun control policy have less mass shootings.
OrderOfKeb
He who focuses on a single nail, ignoring all others, is a poor carpenter.
AIComments
https://qz.com/37015/how-school-killings-in-the-us-stack-up-against-36-other-countries-put-together/
filben7
We have some gun control laws already, but most of the time the laws are just to make the guns look less scary.
icynipple
figuring out which gun control laws work and which don't sounds like real work we should be doing instead of this "don't say his name" shit
PianoMan2112
Easy: The ones that keep guns away from assholes don't work; the laws that prevent honest people from owning one legally don't work.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Yeah except the state's with the most gun control laws have less shootings
idontknowwhatjokesare
don't act like it's easy. if it was easy, it'd be done already. Shit is complicated and deserves to be taken more seriously than 140 charact
PianoMan2112
Then users should stop bringing up serious issues on an image sharing website.
ItsCaptain0bvious
How about figuring out a way so that a depressed teenager cannot buy a shitload of ammunition as easily as they currently can?
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Problem is they can just use their parents assault rifle
PersonfromEarth
Nope. The correlation simply is not there. It would be nice if it were that simple.
googlediid
Here is proof: story of Australia, which had 13 mass shootings in the 18-year period from 1979 to 1996 but none in the succeeding 19 years.
GorramBatman
Um What
smittywjmj
The correlation isn't there because the situations aren't comparable. Where comparisons can be made, stricter states have more gun violence.
Terminology
But that's completely wrong, coming from a gun owner. https://www.safehome.org/resources/gun-laws-and-deaths/
Terminology
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-states-with-the-most-gun-laws-see-the-fewest-gun-related-deaths/448044/
googlediid
Just because you make up something to prove your point doesn't necessarily make it facts.
SargnargThaHardgeHag
It's funny how he announces this after they found out the shooter was far-right politically.
youareallequallyworthless
No he wasn’t. Had a communist t-shirt on in a pic I saw
boyfights
That wasn't him with the communist shirt, it was some other guy.
GrammarBolshevik
Sarcasm? Because there's so much to disprove that
Fahargo
He's been talking about it for awhile. He didn't publish the guys name or say it the day of before anyone knew anything about him.
fdgftajhgdajgjgfajkahg
The white supremacist news was a complete fabrication. Anything else that points to his ideology that isn't rumors in the first 72 hours?
cpnbeeb
Source on the white supremacist angle being bunk?
SoundMountain
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672
SoundMountain
..source on it being true?
Humanchicken
SoundMountain
Just never heard anything about it other than speculation on social media. So I have no burden to debunk it lol.
SoundMountain
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672 Here ya go, you needy shits.
Morrigi
It was a 4chan troll job. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672
cpnbeeb
That sounds like some Cover Your Ass 101 alright. Especially given shithead's history of antisemitism and all.
SoundMountain
Politico covering for white supremacists? Seems legit
PresidentProTempore
I see him a lot on imgur.
JossWhedonsGhost
Yeah... I'm not a fan of him.
CrabmanOpie
No decent person is.
BoxesFullOfPepe13
Why?
silentjay01
Philip DeFranco has been doing this for years.
baconandplagues
This is essentially why I watch Philly D as much as I do
IDidntWantTheBetaVersionHelp
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Arsikere
yes he has!
ialwayssaywhyiupvotestuff
Ol’ Phil. The pinnacle aspiration of media and news...
AsAHistorian
So have I.
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
The first time I saw him do that, I really gained some respect for him.
MuayThaiwinLannister
A lotta people have been doing this. Good move on his part, but Ben Shapiro is a putz
Pawnderlust
Sup ya beautiful bastards
thund3rcrush
BUT LES JUS JUMP INTO IT
EnjoyTheLifeYouHave
Been watching for so long now
silentjay01
Since late 2010 myself.
TakeThisAsAThumbsUpForAlienAbduction
Yeah great. Can he stop gushing excitedly about how much he'd like to torture child molesters as well? Maybe? K thnx
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I vote they are all referred to as asshole#
IhaveTP4Bunghole
The more people doing so the better.
B99Reactions
That guy sucks though
madamblueberry
Unfortunate a lot of people down voted with out asking you why. Why does he suck in your opinion?
TakeThisAsAThumbsUpForAlienAbduction
Different imgurite here, but I hate him cause he likes to tell people on his show precisely how he'd torture child molesters, if he could.
madamblueberry
This is going to come off harsh but you're telling me that he is unlikable to you personally because of something he said/says?
madamblueberry
Is there more to this that I don't understand? I find that answer a bit lacking, if I may say so - 2
TakeThisAsAThumbsUpForAlienAbduction
"He sucks" because he has some awful views I disagree with. That is nothing to do with his work's quality or his charisma. Understood?
zma123456
PhillyD Needs to start his own news agency.
sarahCommunityPrincess
I'm watching him rn.... haha
SpicyServos
He *is* my news agency at this point.
MeanWinchester
He did, and is trying to again without the interference of YouTube and add agencies this time
pantslessgamers
For almost a year now.... Cough cough
xRHIN0x
Do you know how much work goes into that stuff? Lawyers/Staff/Priducers/Payroll/etc? Rome wasn't built in a day, friend.
pantslessgamers
When you've made over 4 million dollars in the year... There's been enough time for updates & reports
solaslunas
employs ~20, equipment, office... it's not cheap. also source your number.
clearbaire
He's working on it! Check out defrancoelite.com and support if you're interested (I do!!)
cavett
I honestly only still watch cause he thinks I'm a beautiful basterd.
Dearslay
Well he told me that he loves my face, apparently I'm seeing him tomorrow
SelfPleasureRobot
Wait, he tells you that too? That cheating fucker.
cavett
Plenty of Philly D to go around, I'm sure he won't mind
ButCanTheyBeatGoku
#metoo
DoctorBambu
He is
WristDeepInaPussy
He's trying
noctynight
YouTube’s keeping him down tho. Dude should try another platform. If he did Twitch he could become the live daily news we needed.
takhat
Iirc he's one man at the moment
BSwann
Not really has a big team behind him and is trying out new hosts atm
shadowbrokerknowsall
Love the guy most unbiased source of news comes from YouTube, God help us
ItsSevii
I wouldnt say hes unbiased cause he definately is.. he just tells us when he is
EneZio
As long as he isn’t trying to push his opinion as fact he’s better than most news reporters
koalatyassurance
He is biased, but he doesn't present his opinion as fact. Rather he states the facts then gives his opinion.
Utael
If you think Philip is unbiased you need to look at the definition of bias again.
sickreferencebrah
He pretty consistently shows both sides of stories. He says his own opinions but obviously so.
CrapBagandSaladDressing
Why do you say that?
Aranethon5983
He's very biased... But he's very clear as to when he's giving a biased opinion and he tries not to let that bleed into the facts of a story
AMartianPotato
Which is all we should ever ask. It's not bad to have opinions as long as facts stay facts.
MrsTrashPanda
Exactly! Gives both sides of the story and then his own opinion, but makes sure you know the difference! Great guy
whatupcorgibutt
Phillip DeFranco is very biased but is open about his biases and still presents the facts and both sides
DollyPartonsaNationalTreasure
While I really do like that he shares his opinion. I would also just like a new channel that says just the full facts, no personal input.
AMartianPotato
He removes his bias from the story. He tells it objectively and then very pointedly says "and here's my opinion".
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
Exactly. Everyone has a personal bias, but he doesn't let that change the facts of what he covers
etcnotect
Which is the most a human being really is capable of.
override367
sometimes when one side says the sky exists and the other side says fake news there aren't two sides to tell though
AMartianPotato
Sometimes the fact that there are actually people arguing the other side is the story.
labmonkey4life
Problem is unless everyone does this, it doesn’t really do anything. Still, good on them
serpentinebaboo
Media won’t stop on morals alone. Until those articles are boycotted in a mass movement, they’ll keep publishing every shooter story.
iNogle
Baby steps
Andalite
An FBI agent came to my college last semester to talk about mass shooters and she stressed that that's why they did it, especially school
Enslavetibet
+1 ALICE
Andalite
shooters. In fact, everyone will be fucking ecstatic to know that the Columbine shooters never wanted it to be known as a school shooting.
CountCarophyllale
Hey, nice animorph name.
TMOTS
what did they want it to be known as?
AlternActive
They wanted it to be know as Bob.
Shmiddty
Source?
iCHACHA
Morbid curiosity: what did they want it to be known as then?
GreatOdinsTaint
I recall reading a book that talked about one of the shooters diary entries. He wanted it to be known as the "crime of the century"
ILikeYourGlasses
Terrorists, I believe. They wanted their actions to be regarded as acts of terror.
Andalite
Honestly, cannot remember. She's coming back this semester I'll ask her and make a post
Zemiax
I’d like to see the post. I’ll wait.
chilachinchila
I remember their original plan was to use a bomb and shoot the survivors but the bomb never went off.
Nietsallinav
Two propane bombs in the cafeteria.
Mackeroy
probably a good thing they didn't take pride in their work, or even test their equipment to make sure it worked, amateurs
ReadySetBake
They did do quite a bit of testing with small pipe bombs and doc'd their results. Luckily they made a mistake on their large bomb.
Greatwood
Like... you?
Kennoot
So bombers, I guess?
Andalite
In fact, it would make them downright furious to know that it's known as a school shooting. Which means, if you believe in that sort of
Andalite
thing, that every time you refer to Columbine as a school shooting, you're making their eternity in hell that much worse. To be clear: I am
Andalite
talking about the school mass shooting in Columbine. The mass shooting in the school know as Columbine.
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
What did they WANT it to be known as?
IAmDrBanner
I mean, what did they think it would be known as? They shot up a school. It is a school shooting. What were they expecting?
NightDany
what does it matter what is known as? Who cares what is known as?
RealDMurda
AFSamizdat
What ever gives you comfort I suppose. Ultimately they 'won', as shitty as that sounds.
ShrimpBaron
This is dumb. The fact that you're thinking this much about 'what they wanted' is somehow more egregious
Derpbeard
The redundancy is painful, so painful.
Chainsawsforarms
Studies also suggest mass shooters usually get shot, and don't particularly care for the media attention when dead.
Thewayofthebear
Hah! Wait until I tell all the alive ones that they’re dead!
Arsikere
"blaze of glory"
Barrum
I think you're missing the bigger picture here buddy, it's about deterrence, making it seem to the next guy that he won't get the attention
ANUS2K14
It's not about attention, it's about anger or disaffectation. This isn't going to do squat. It's a meaningless gesture.
Barrum
Well, the tweet references studies that disagree with your armchair psychological assessment, unless you have your own studies to back you?
Chainsawsforarms
I think i see the whole picture in that, it's probably advisable to try and actively prevent these things from happening proactively.
Barrum
That... That's what deterrence is. Is a proactive measure. Like, definitively proactive. We're trying to deter future shooters.
Theodrian
Minority report
Ziomuschio81
They could think they'll "die famous". Like "dying being remembered"
stinkerTinker
It makes me happy I can't remember the name of one shooter.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
not even sir reginald featherbottom the third?
CongratsYouAreHereNow
or lee harvey oswego
stinkerTinker
Ok you got me, I know a Harvey Lee Oswald, never heard of this long bottom fellow, unless you mean neville; but he didn't assasinate nagini
HenryNJessicaPate
Ive been saying this shit for the longest time!
ImYourHuckleberryy
If by “I’ve” you mean “The entire general public/Anyone with a brain” then me too!
ErgonomicZero
You’re just looking for attention arent you?
HenryNJessicaPate
Love me!
FriskyFoxie
Yeah, can we stop the mass shooters playing for the "high score", for fuck sake..?
ImAFoxButNotReally
Let's do the reverse fight club: when a shooter appears it looses it's name.
locozuma
EXACTLY. Yes. Me too.
swedishish
And I haven't seen a shooter's name or image in HenryNJessicaPate Weekly since I began my subscription. Well done!
HenryNJessicaPate
Heres Tom with the weather.
swedishish
Tom is fine, but I prefer my weathermen unnamed, like this anonymous fellow https://imgur.com/DEPk4oO
Safegyde
Exactly! But it’s easier for them to say ban guns. I say ban media.
Mentok
Ban media? Who would report on government corruption and other current events? Where would you get your news from? Without ALL media around?
Rocket350
I hear what you're saying, but the media plays an important role. If a magic wand existed, I'd make the public smarter to call out media bs.
BALKatalo
Unlike a shaky modern interpretation of the second amendment, the first is indelibly clear on the place free press has to a stable democracy
GuyDarras
There's nothing shaky about it if you look at other documents and state constitutions from the era.
Andalite
Yeah "shall not be infringed" is pretty clear idk why people seem to think they can just ban guns nowadays
Rocket350
https://youtu.be/DNDcd1Fe5lg
Andalite
Yep
Cheomesh
Yeah...I've been hearing this since the first shooting after Coloumbine BUT YET HERE WE ARE, NINETEEN YEARS LATER.
MidLifeChrysler
Let me know when "If it bleeds, it leads" stops being true.
MerToo
Not to mention the shooters have an excellent chance of ending up shot dead so clearly they *won't* be sucking up the views on youtube
HankScorpio0007
Yeah, because it hasn’t changed
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tpanyS
Did you actually read the list...? There's a whole lot of accidentals and not-actually-at-the-school shootings there, past that it's (1/?)
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tpanyS
And is also listed as accidental and the individual turning themselves in. Still a big difference from modern attention-seeking killers.
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tpanyS
largely a lot of targeted crime, not so much "hey I'm gonna go shoot up the school so I'm famous!" like the media caters to today (2/2)
Amauri14z
For what I remember, an article stated that after they stopped giving detailed reports on suicide cases the number of suicides dropped.
MerToo
Pretending it isn't happening has not been very helpful in New Zealand.
bobbyp21
Thats true, at least in the United States. And I now do believe that Americans are not like any other people in the world. We Fucked Up Bad
PrometheusSmith
Sorry, I must have missed the media silence on the details of the shooter. I was too busy watching the video clips from inside the school. >
PrometheusSmith
The first two or three days were nothing but the name, picture, death count, and video clips filmed during the shooting.
lysani
Don't you know? Most news outlets don't actually care about the people as long as they get clicks and views for more money.
bobbyp21
"If it bleeds, it leads" is the oldest saying in newspapers going back over 200 years.
drunkbs
Weird! It's almost as if they're corporations with the sole purpose to generate a profit.
Undeity
If you take it further, they're knowingly increasing both supply and demand. Fucking horrible, but a genius advertising practice.
shiyal
If it bleeds it leads, if they cry they buy. News at this point is another form of entertainment and is all about the ratings ($$$)
DumpoldRant
It seems weird to blame the news outlets and not the people clicking and viewing. Like blaming an ambulance and not rubberneckers looking.
xrufus7x
If you plaster the walls with pictures of your penis it is pretty hard to imagine at least a few people not looking.
Staxcellence
Hold on...you mean to tell me that the media doesn't actually care about me but rather seeks to sell me to the highest advertising bidder‽
Cheomesh
97% true
kruug
100% true for national news agencies. Significantly less for local news.
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
Idk.. Local news outlets are often owned by the same soulless profit driven news companies, man..
kruug
Affiliates, but not really “owned”.
maxdefault
Have you heard of the Sinclair broadcast group? They reach about 40% of household in America. They have forced segments that are aired as
maxdefault
News and people will take them for their word because they are local news and they must be telling the truth.