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Hunted, hounded for decades, and mortally maimed for writing a book that offended some snowflake fuckheads who think that their holy book gives them the right (indeed, a mandate) to behave as vicious barbarians.
Humans should have the right to believe in whatever superstitious nonsense they want, so long as they do NOT infringe upon the rights of others! FUCK any religious interpretation that incites violence or oppression! Such backwards ideologies do NOT deserve to be respected or tolerated!
MotoCanuck
Religion should not be government funded. Church and State should be separate.
thefreckledfox
Let’s all get one of his books in a show of support! I’ll start with this one. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12781.The_Satanic_Verses
hotfezz
I stand to be corrected, but my understanding is that the book wasn't especially anti religious. You could read that, but it wasn't the poin
tinydog
I [partly] read "The Satanic Verses" in college. It was a weird allegorical story, and I didn't understand it - esp. since I'm not Muslim.
naomiMoonBeast
I told my kids every religion eventually turns into a cult and and a good way to stop this would be to tax them
VaultGirl69
At the end of the day, religious interpretation is about intent. If you want to find a reason to act violently, you can. Easily.
IAmGORT
People who run their life based on bronze aged belief systems I'm afraid behave like bronze aged inhabitants, nothing but fucking savages.
Caper2566
I was on his protective detail in Toronto way back when. Tons of death threats and a few attempts from some local zealots. Fun, fun, fun.
mikeymikec
I was feeling bad that I got this news from imgur, only to find that the BBC only published their article 41 minutes ago :)
PastureofMuppets
It was front page on CNN when it happened, below FBI serving trump search warrant
PastureofMuppets
Also, Imgur isnt journalism, just a place for info, verified or not, to spread quickly. Stuff will often be here faster than on legit news
brianingram
Religion poisons everything
PerpetualExhaustion
Take note America, we are heading for this type of theocracy bullshit. Fast.
tinydog
We wouldn't be, if more people got their asses to the voting booth. The wackos are not a majority.
ThorSundquist
I live in Chautauqua county, it's crazy to see something that happened in my rinky dink end of the state make international news.
vanderzee
thinkstopthink
Chloesaurus
Tie the assailant up in a room with no windows. Give him LSD and have him visited by a creature telling him there is no god, no afterlife.
Hufflepufflerine
If I could upvote you a thousand times
thinkstopthink
CptBoomBoom
The Chautauqua Institute is literally a 20 minute drive from my house.
thinkstopthink
SomeHippy
I hope the attacker had his face caved in, literally. He should seriously have been killed by a fist for this bs. Idk how people restrain...
SomeHippy
Themselves so well in these moments. This would've put me black out enraged at the attacker
hoehandleharry20500
All religion is bullshit. Especially one that would hold a 30 year grudge
darkninja2992
Religions are just cults that got popular enough
tounushi
The entire Shia/Sunni feud is over who was supposed to be the ruler of all muslims 1200 years ago.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Lol
hoehandleharry20500
Personally I think all three major religions are all rooted in the same fabulous made up story
LarvaLamp
All religions are rooted in made up stories. That's the entire point of faith- belief without proof.
thinkstopthink
Sniffmeenob101
All supposed peaceful religions have been used for control and murder through the ages and we have no future until it is gone.
HistoriesOfXandY
Don't worry, we'll find new ways to control and murder each other.
Sniffmeenob101
We should be peacefully colonising the galaxy by now all knowledge was expunded by religion for hundreds of years
Ifacatsbuttholeisonly2inchesoffthegroundwhyisitalwaysateyelevel
Fuck religion* fixed it for ya.
ArgentPaladin
Personal Takeaway: Anybody who'd commit violence in the name of a God can pray to that God for mercy. They deserve none from Man.
avet01
History lesson. We call ppl zealots because Zealots were Jew assassin's who used daggers to kill opponents inspired by religion.
avet01
Calling them zealots in your title is all so appropriate.....
iusedtodream
To hell with the old gods.
4vie
I daresay those gods you're on about are *not* the old gods. But I agree with the sentiment.
Chloesaurus
All gods must die
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
And the new
rtysiiik1
*all
NewToTheEnterwbs
But aren't these the new gods and not The Elder Gods.
StanielRonathan
Nah, THESE are the New Gods:
billyrayvirus
This isn't about the old gods.
RCHinrichs
To hell with anybody. Because they don't exist.
PandaWaffleking
The new 'gods' haven't been great either. Perhaps maybe we should live our own lives instead of worshiping some nonexistent diety. /shrug
Mindshard
No way, the old gods were the shit. Flawed and like us. The new gods are the ones pushing for war and murder.
pocketcthulhu
hey what did I do?
Zreen
Technically this would be more of a newer god (not in its age but in its belief system)
Falkh12
you know what you did!
pocketcthulhu
HankGrim
Nigen Isu, elder gods have good taste in rock!
CornCobMcGee
He said gods, not eldritch ancient ones.
pocketcthulhu
/snort
Mirilali
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SignedEpsteinsMother
Personally I'm a fan of Hecate and Ishtar
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Well, depending on the flavor, but most of the where extremely rapey, stupid and cruel too.
imabigasstree
They were "human". Pagan religions didnt glorify deities like salvation religions do. The flaws were written in for people to learn from
natgrett
All you need to do is worship some bones in a box, just like the god from the black forest before the germanic tribes came.
natgrett
And if American Gods isn't your tea you could always conjure King Beleth of Hell and he'll make people like you until your satisfied.
Wuz314159
Fuck venues who don't take security seriously. Guy had a fatwa against him, how do you let a rando get onstage?
imgjim
This is part of the institutes thing... No metal detectors etc either. I think they are going to rethink that after this.
SirJamesMonster42
If you've been to Chatauqua, you'd understand better that this attack was going to occur no matter what. This was very premeditated.
IIBM
If history has taught us anything, it's that anyone can be killed.
EarthTourist
I believe he didn't want enormous amounts of security everywhere he went. He was sick of it. Of all of it
Wuz314159
You can make a personal choice... but he was a guest and his hosts have an obligation to keep him safe.
EarthTourist
True. These are usually pretty sleepy author talks. I wonder how they decide
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Numerous death threats is a notable factor
Wuz314159
Having a fatwa against you is a sign.
Jamerperson
Fatwa?
Zreen
Fatwa the Hutt
seahorseCaravan
Yes.
pickinganameistoomuchpressure
yeh not sure why this word stuck, doesn't mean what people think of does.. even Rushdie said it doesn't make sense to use that word
Wuz314159
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa
StarvingGarbage
The fatwa was called off 26 years ago. This attack was extremely petty and stupid
JonnyTightlips
It was never called.off
CraftyGiant
It wasn't called off.
Xalaqia
Blasphemy, the victimless crime, is petty and stupid. Doesn't stop people killing in the name of it.
cuzitsthere
I think it's time to take away religion until humans can use it responsibly.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Only the person who proclaimed it can cancel it. And he's dead.
HerrKhan
It’s never been called off ,though at one point, the Iranian government said it wouldn’t “support or hinder it”.
Travelcedric
If your religion demands the killing of those who don't follow your beliefs, then your religion is shit.
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user3827492
I drew a picture of Muhammad waving a trans flag and charging interest on loans
IraqiWalker
Dude, as a Muslim I can tell you that this is less the religion, and more the PoS clergy that did this.
n1njabot
Religion is just the excuse to kill not of the tribe, if religion was outlawed it would simply be replaced with some other reason to kill.
METROlD
All forms of monotheism ultimately lead to genocide.
iwhannafly
Also need to remove their tax exemption status
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
All religion is shit. Some is just worse.
truespartangaming
Which encompasses pretty much every religgon's extremist views. Even militant Buddhists killed folk.
smegmaspread
If your religion is a religion then your religion is shit.
ChucKTheCanadian
All religions are shit. That does not mean spirituality is bad.
notreallyamorningperson
Edited for simplicity: “religion is shit”
NihiDae
All religions are shit and shouldn't be tolerated, if you can't keep it yourself then your religion shouldn't exist.
NihiDae
If the words of your "god" are so powerful, they shouldn't be spoken through the mouths of men.
SenfinaZeit
If you're religion demands death then start with yourself
Arcian
All religions are shit. People should not be encouraged to believe things are real when they are demonstrably not.
GeneralAnubis
Unfalsifiability is kinda the foundation of any deity's description though
Caliban1972
By modern standards. But it is traditionally how religions grow - conversion or killing of non-believers. And tradition is important?
Baughr
They are all cults. And I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
Syxcfaq
The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own.
fr33land3r
I met the 14th dalai lama and he said the same thing. If religion makes you do good shit, yes. If it makes you hate people it's not working.
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
My religion demands killing people who don't believe and who comment on Imgur about my religion being shit!
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
In case people actually missed it... it was a joke.
SageOfDepth
We got it. It was just in poor taste
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
No you taste poor!
Comet260
Go away. You're not funny.
schmonday
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/death-to-unbelievers-qurans-most-misread-words/
schmonday
It actually explicitly forbids mostatrocities, but is interpreted as to suit a person's need, same as Christians ignoring the Bible
Xalaqia
Doesn't matter. Zealots will ignore, or twist, or rewrite to suit their needs.
ricpaul
I take issue with the word "few" in your link. I think, looking back for the last 50 years in the west, this should read "an huge amount".>
ricpaul
Looking back further, they even dwarf the numbers that the crusades can boast, where Christians at least (mostly) stopped killing last 100y
schmonday
The Crusades are not the only Christian atrocities.
ThailandExpress
the catholics are especially shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Joe Pesci is a full on supporter of that rape-cult.
RedWingedBlackbirds
What??
onlyhalfghost
as a Canadian, much as I wish we could just leave it at the Pope's doorstep, we did this without them too.
BrdCdn
I wish we would put warrants out for the catholic leadership. They are literally hiding and helping criminals.
gypsyspot
plus all of the intentional concealment and propagation of child rape.
Dionysus187
They don't have offender rates any higher than any other large group, its the KNOWING COVER UPS that makes it so bad.
Dionysus187
Like the workforce of Walmart has roughly the same percentage of people, they just get fired. The Church covers it up and keeps them around
tinydog
Isn't that a quote from Sam Harris? Very similar, in any case.
Crazypuppet
So nationalism right?..
joleeen
But what if my religion says otherwise /s
MajorasTerribleFate
If your religion demands killing, then your religion is shit.
CubwardOHulihan
It doesnt have to demand it for nutjobs kill for it. If you have a religion, your religion is shit.
schmonday
True, but Islam does not command killing outside self-defense. "Self-defense" can be construed any way you want, though.
luminouslumia
That is an absolute lie.. It commands you seek out non believers and kill them. Idc about Islam anymore than Christianity but both are bad
schmonday
I think you speak thoughts of others instead of thoughts of your own investigation.
luminouslumia
I know history and the conquest of Spain was not in self defense I assure you. Their battle calls also were not misinterpreted.
schmonday
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/death-to-unbelievers-qurans-most-misread-words
luminouslumia
the conquest of Spain was not in self defense I assure you. Their battle calls also were not misinterpreted. Cherry picked? sure religion is
Kevinbfree
And should be illegal.
schmonday
If it demands death, it still comes down to personal choice. Even being a Nazi isn't illegal (outside Germany).
schmonday
That said, Islam does not demand death. The Quran only permits killing "infidels" with the goal of peace in Mecca.
ImBuildingaT800
THANK YOU!
paintingagency
The killing part is already illegal.
Himser
The religion itself needs to be
PineappleLoopsBroether
I would love to see a world that adopts law against religion, but the ruling class uses it to control humanity. They know it’s fake.
TorapuSama
I like how you managed to phrase it in a way that wouldn't seem offensive, I wouldn't have been able to
PineappleLoopsBroether
Living in a house full of psychopaths taught me to be a diplomat, so it comes naturally on occasion.
Bluekitten03
Christianity doesn't, but if they were going to kill they were going to use any excuse to accomplish it.
Bluekitten03
Killers will use any excuse to fulfill their desire to kill.
palmo
Exodus 22:18 "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"
Bluekitten03
Interesting that you're using kings James version. It's the worst translation because it's mostly wrong.
Bluekitten03
Also, fun bit. Their sorcery usually involves them killing. Animals and people. We don't let those kinds of folks run around either.
Xalaqia
Heard about the OT? What did Jesus say was more important? Cloaks, or swords?
Bluekitten03
Well, Jesus wasn't in the old testament. When asked what the most important law was it was to follow God and love your neighbor.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
What's the OT?
Bluekitten03
Old testament
tinydog
Original Theist?