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May 12, 2022 2:26 PM
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Giantmutantcrab
Mediocre men want to control women, people of color and sexual minorities. Those mediocre men... Are conservatives.
fastjeff
I mean... it would've took 30 seconds research to not be that stupid. Holy shit. Twitter is cancer.
W92Baj
OF course these are the same people who complained about women breastfeeding
tillie350
Whilst mums who need formula should absolutely have access to it, 90% of the mums who use it wouldn't need it if they had more bf support
Arsikere
dont worry guys the elites will save us
LetsEatGrandpaCommasSaveLives
As a gay dad who adopted a baby, umm...
HelpfulCorn
Well the conservatives certainly wouldn't allow that, so no problem
HardDoseOfReality
Not saying formula isn't helpful. But I think some of you forget about breast milk and that not all children die without formula
dwilson0725
Nobody thinks all children, but yawning at the idea of the infant mortality rate increases is a dense fucking thing to do.
HardDoseOfReality
I yawn at a lot of things. It's almost like life and death are part of a balance humans can't tip.
dwilson0725
2edgy4me
69thStPepper
Some of them survived, if they had a dairy goat
eilonwy
When possible, women would take turns breast feeding a baby whose mother had died or couldn't produce milk.
Articate
I really don’t know about “taking turns”. That’s not how lactation or the bond of child/boob works. But absolutely a shares burden.
thekeyofe
Or a wet nurse, but usually only rich people had those unless there was an aunt or neighbor willing to nurse the child for free.
becauseurwrong
A lot of poor women did/do help each other like that. Sisterhood is everything.
technicallycorrectbutnofunatparties
This was and still is very common in some parts of the world.
DaierMune
Idiots assume women are breeding machines who just output all the milk their babies need on demand.
TexMexHex
Alot of men who think this way are not getting laid.
whoisyourdaddy
There is a hormone tricky thing drs can do to turn the milk on, but it takes too long. Many women dont produce enough. However, many 1/
whoisyourdaddy
women don't breastfeed for very long due to convenience (gotta work, you know.) If women planning to switch to formula that could 2/
whoisyourdaddy
breastfeed would extend their breastfeeding until the shortage ends. it would ease the issue for women can't for whatever reason. /end
thevortexmaster
Lee?
DanCutter
Guys named Lee step up to fill the need. ?
ChickenSnizort
There were also "Wet Nurses" that you could hire to feed your infant. We could go back to that but it would take time to implement.
GoblinTit
"Lee their legs closed?" Clear communication doesn't count for shit any more.
kkanne20
um, have we forgotten already how INSANELY HIGH infant mortality rates used to be?
tacotaco8288
Can we have a second government? One that handles woman issues and just does it without telling the other one?
tacotaco8288
Kind of how dads can be dicks about dumb stuff and moms actually help the child out?
ventikona
We had that and they were burned or drowned as witches.
tacotaco8288
Do I get a choice? Burning or drowning?
becauseurwrong
Dumbass there thinks women are just carelessly choosing not to breastfeed instead of some not being able to or not producing enough.
LorindaLogan
The same men who would force a raped woman to have her rapists baby. Republicans are flat out evil.
sadurdaynight
Pro-Life = "Bitch, figure it out! I'm the man, and don't care!"
madbydesign
It wasn't long ago men told women that formula gave children an advantage over breast milk.
madbydesign
They literally shamed women into believing breast feeding babies was something lower classes did.
DontCommentWhenDrunk
Sounds to me like now is a great time to start a wet-nurse rental service in the US.
n0n53n53
it's gotta be from a Cambodian immigrant in the Bronx
AngryQueefNoises
And my sugar cookie!
ThenWhatHappened
I've actually heard of mom groups on Facebook who link up those who need milk with those who have extra
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
My sister couldn't breastfeed and she bought breastmilk from a local nursing woman.
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
I’ve given extra milk to local moms. Last time the lady would only take milk from before my Covid vaccine. Whatever, no more milk for you.
GoToTheZoo
There are some Facebook groups where moms that produce a lot will give away frozen milk, if needed people should look for local groups.
ZebraCockSandwich
you could also ask a friend/family member if they would be willing to produce for you. get some hormone pills from the dr. I'd do this for1/
ZebraCockSandwich
a friend or family member in need.
FierceAndAdorable
There are also milk banks that test the milk, to make ensure it is healthy, and safe. https://www.hmbana.org
athomp78
Just what Antibafor wants
abbycrochetnerd
This scares me so bad because my sister is about to have her first baby.
alloutofchutzpah
(If she is planning on breastfeeding, lactation consultants and pumping regularly early on can help her establish a good milk supply. :))
MrSatisify
theoldsazzledazzle
Women Are Human! Rights are Rights!
Freebite
Woman = humans so women's rights = human rights.
becauseurwrong
Yes, dear, that's what we have to remind some men of because they don't believe it. Good job explaining it.
Freebite
Figure I'll do my part in dumbing it down for those in the back as much as possible.
LincLoud
It feels fucking bonkers that in a modern country we need to say "women are people deserving of equal rights and liberties"
narniasreal
Equal? I'm a man and while women in my country are free to have abortions, I on the other hand can't have one. How's that equal?!
latinomartino
Yes but I, a man, lose rights when women are treated as people! Is it really worth the cost?!? /S
LincLoud
There was some tweet floating around Imgur that showed real incel/small dick energy of some guy basically saying that
latinomartino
People argue small dick energy is body negativity. I like "dry dick energy" as an insult. It's much more apt I think.
thedudeman519
For some, it is not enough to have food on their plate. They need to be sure that others are starving .
Nihiladrem1
Women's Human Rights are Rights!
Vadsuhanc
King Shark is a shark
hardytardigrade
Also true
Superchief86
I literally said that out loud before I clicked to see your reply!
fuzzeenavel
Don’t Dead Open Inside
PraiseThePook
I don't like the direction politics are going. It reminds me too much of the world I grew up in. We can and should be better.
Tessedan
History classes should also teach death rates per decade for births. Maybe also life expectancies. Many forget life expectancy was once 30.
ArmedandOverclocked
The irony is that in many developing countries the sale and marketing of formula is regulated because of how many dead babies it caused. 1/
ArmedandOverclocked
companies like nestle would get doctors to give out a free 1 month supply and then when they ran out of formula the moms were dried up 2/
ArmedandOverclocked
forcing them into buying formula, they couldnt afford, and many kids died due to malnutrition. 3/3
Navrodel
On one hand - there absolutely is a problem with companies pushing formula on mothers that would otherwise be willing and able to provide, >
Navrodel
> but are tricked into thinking that formula is healthier or more natural or whatever. On the other hand, it's a great thing that losing a >
Navrodel
> mother is no longer a death sentence for an infant, and a sudden reduction in formula supply is a huge detriment to keeping babies alive.
AllForFee
No one thinks that formula is more natural or better than breastfeeding. In many cases its necessary because the Mom can't nurse.
Navrodel
Perhaps I should have said "more nutritious and socially acceptable." Especially with the debate over public nursing, and especially with >
Navrodel
> the "all or nothing" attitude to formula vs breastfeeding, and lack of support when it comes to teaching how to induce lactation means >
Navrodel
> there are people who could use formula to supplement their original supply while they're building up their production, or just dry up >
SlightlySlighted1337
That thinking was in vogue in the late 80s/early 90s in parts of Canada. I'm currently expecting and have heard it from two older women 1/
SlightlySlighted1337
Even though it's been thoroughly debunked since theyve had kids. It's also recently been perpetuated by Nestle in 2/
SlightlySlighted1337
Developing nations. They give enough free formula to dry mom up and then let her sink or swim. Not like she has access to 3/
GoToTheZoo
Forgetting that women who haven't been breastfeeding cannot simply begin producing enough to replace the formula (if they can at all). -
DanaConti5
It’s not forgetting, it’s ignorance of the fact.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
My ex wife noped out on meth when our youngest was 8 months old. I would have been soooooooo fucked.
GoToTheZoo
- My wife simply cannot produce and we stocked up as soon as the winds started to shift otherwise our child would be starving.
tillie350
I'm sure in your case this is true, but a note to all parents: if you think your supply is failing speak to a breastfeeding consultant or
tillie350
A peer supporter like myself (free). Insufficient supply resolved by feeding more in most cases, takes a few days to adjust. What's very
tillie350
Common is mums freak out when baby hits a growth spurt and starts crying/wanting feeds constantly for days. That isn't you failing, it's
tillie350
Baby changing their milk order to meet new demands. There is a lot more bad information about breastfeeding in society than good, ask a pro
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
My 2nd breastfed until 10months when he went on a nursing strike and never nursed again. Needed formula for 2+ months. Couldn’t pump enough.
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
My 3rd couldn’t nurse at all(cleft palates) & I managed to pump for 14 months. The one time I tried formula, she had diarrhea.
alloutofchutzpah
You are a CHAMP! I've breastfed 3, but my 4th can't. I'm on month 3 of pumping and bleeding and cursing. 14 months? You are a super mom!
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
I was on a regimen of flax pills and lecithin pills. The Lecithin really helps prevent clogs, and finding a schedule that worked helped. >
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
Vallete
Not to mention pre formula a lot of babies died of bad milk, not to mention that not dying doesn't mean you don't have malnutrition
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
My sis developed mastitis and went from 'struggling to produce' to 'poisoning the baby' literally overnight. Formula saves lives.
GuillermoRojo
I guess it’s useful, but knowing what nestles done, formula is pretty bad for many parts of the world.
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Formula is bad when it's forced as the only option, like Nestle has done. Formula as a supplement when needed is a good thing though.
Vallete
I mean Nestle sucks, in so very many ways, but some people making bad formula doesn't make good formula bad?
Vallete
https://journals.openedition.org/aof/310#:~:text=Milk%20was%20the%20medium%20of,before%201930%20(Atkins%202000a).
eilonwy
Thanks, that was really interesting
alloutofchutzpah
And some breastfeeding women still have to supplement their breast milk with formula. Even if they eat nutritiously and take vitamins. 1/2
alloutofchutzpah
Their milk isn't enough for the baby to prosper and grow unless it is fortified with baby formula. 2/2
IDriveAMinivan
That is a production issue not a nutrition issue. Even women who are not eating properly will make milk that meets their babies needs
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alloutofchutzpah
Most of the time that is true. Unfortunately sometimes no matter how much milk the mother is producing, the quality of the milk isn't
alloutofchutzpah
nutritious enough and needs fortification to meet the needs of the baby. It's also common to fortify the milk of premature babies.
dingofdong
Gee, what do we call suffering as a result of not getting enough food to properly grow or stay healthy? Oh, right, malnutrition. If you're +
dingofdong
+ eating a perfect nutritional balance, but not enough of it to actually cover your metabolic needs, that's still a nutrition issue. On a +
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