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CandidGamera
Survivor bias, anecdotal evidence, what-about-ism, "kids these days", truism, tokenism. Quite an elaborate bullshit construct you made there
coffeebaby
[formula for popular post on imgur]
GoldenSour2
One old black man, two tablespoons of hating on BLM, three pounds of racism is over, zero sources and voila! Bone apple tea!
Don't forget the sprinkle of color blindness
Thismulfucka
..and the obligatory ; "Morgan Freeman - He's Right you know" meme!!.
untrugby
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
Just remember to not feed the trolls, stay safe, be home before the street lamps come on.
storebrandproductmascot
Another in Imgur's popular 10,000 part series entitled: "Look, I found the one black guy who agrees with me!"
Imgur loves an uncle tom
pronoun
Another in Imgur's popular 10,000 part series entitled: "salty comments that don't actually engage the argument."
I posted links to studies on racial inequalities in the U.S. justice system in a different comment if you want to check my history.
hertta
Correlation does not imply causation. Disparate outcomes do not imply disparate treatment.
Those are great studies, but they're not actually evidence of racism. You can't just point out a disparity and insert racism as the cause.
The studies control for other factors. I seriously doubt you read enough in the last 3 minutes to determine they're all bunk.
Those studies have been around... And I didn't say they were bunk. I said they weren't evidence of racism, because they aren't.
Racism is probably a part of the problem, but it's a leap to assume it's all or even most of what's causing the disparity.
SharkShanker
Yeah, that’s not really how it works with racism
michealangleo
Just because your further from the start line than before, doesnt mean youve finished the marathon
CrocodileDunphy
Michael K Williams is getting old
BubbleF0X
Anecdotal evidence = best type of evidence
Fedotia
It's text near a photo of a hobo without source. I doubt it qualifies as evidence.
relpmeraggy
FutureHylian
Ok yes, he has a point, but lets not pretend that there isnt actual racism and prejudice still going on to people just minding their busines
itsjustjake
Things are better today than they were. It does feel good to see yourself as a hero in a world full of monsters though.
KillinYaWithKindness
It's bad-No one should be getting more grants, better access to jobs, or laws that protect them only b/c of their skin color, genitals, etc.
dman5282000
And the racism today is against whites. We need to get over this if we ever want to live in peace. Racism is nothing but ignorance
GrandpaRossysOldManDongs
There's still tons of racism against other races.
sizoravira127001
Racism has nothing to do with it
EXiSTENCEthreshold
Racism will exist as long as we divide ourselves in races. We're all just different shades of people.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Tribalism seems to be a biological imperative. You don’t start with ignoring systemic problems.
CurryKompetence
But we can't just ignore racism. It exists. Saying that stuff is delusional, because race does play huge role, whether we want that or not.
Imagine how funny it would be if we found aliens on mars. Some of them blue and some of them green, fighting over which color is superior.
vodeniks5772
Of every race.
MrShieldy
Truem but it would be a lot less if people wouldn't make it such a big deal, spread lies and wouldn't want racism to be a thing.
BairGodOfFgts
Thankyou.gif
Samoosa
NOT make a big deal out of racism? Ita fucked up generations of communities thanks to racists, just so racists can blame them for the issues
Well yes, thats not what I mean. I mean people make everything a race thing. Everything is racist, everyones offended.
I know that there's still racist people, a lot of them. But some people just WANT to get offended.
raviolihummingbird
So racism wouldn't be a big deal if we just swept it under the rug? That's the solution! Let's just never talk about problematic things agai
Sprixxen
Well, it's sketchy now because overt racism in the mainstream is pretty much dead. So now people are chasing "implicit bias" or coming 1/2
to conclusions of widespread racism when they see any statistical differences between races. It's a multi-faceted issue. 2/2
No, thats not what I mean. I mean focus on actual racism not make everyone be overly sensitive. Not get scared of a fucking word for example
Masterofdisgust
You completely missed the point.
H3RLA
Missing the point is one of the things that causes this "dividing"; putting a 'BUT' behind everything is ruining society.
Yeah exactly. Putting that but there is saying he agrees with the philosophy but thinks he's wrong. Undermining the whole point.
serpentinebaboo
Nah, I think you did. “It used to be a lot worse so current racism isn’t worth addressing” is what this says.
Institutionalised racism is dead. it does not exist in modern America. If it did Evergreen would never have happened.
Dead, huh? I see you aren’t a person who can be reasoned with and I get why you missed the point. It was voluntary.
Evergreen college was taken over by students chanting "Black Power" on a day where white students were banned from campus. Wasn't voluntary.
Fenwaywookie
This is horseshit white folks upvote to justify police brutality.
EvilDeadTed
Hey, not all white people are racist. We're not a monolith, man. Don't give in to racism yourself.
If you didnt upvote it, then it doesnt apply to you, ofay. And fuck the "nawp" defense
[deleted]
Keep whining
yudodat
It's gross generalization is what it is.
It’s a gross generalization that most people will treat each other with decency?
cpnbeeb
Oh boy, another front page episode of One Of The Good Ones™
Sinmiedo1931
Nice.
boomsman
I swear it’s like they got bored of the dump they turned 9gag into and brought their bs here
Roshiro
Crap, y'all being hysterical of a POV. Chill yo titties a little it's the internet.
WorthEveryPenny
It's about election time
DimensionMaster
Commenting to favorite this post.
Whiskywinewater
Countless Black peole: "racism is a problem". One black dude: "no its not". White people: "SEEEE?? EVERYTHING IS FINE".
All anecdotes get no closer to understanding the general issue. The issue is multi-faceted and there are multiple contributing variables.
KeenanThomas308
The song, “Why you always lyin”. That man is the picture has a law suit against whoever posted his image on there “post racism” fantasy.
He Probably never even heard of BLM. LOL, contrary 2 popular belief we all don’t knw each other. Black old ppl r clueless like all others.
ArandomDane
Could you link that. The only thing I was able to find was this https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas-man-speaks-about-black-lives-matter/
There’s huge difference between a quote & “Quote attributed to “ someone. It seems that story was lifted from this site. LOL
FatedMusic
Please provide a source for this. :(
ThatchRoofCastle
... make this make sense please.
If it has to be explained it’s not for you. ?
amglasgow
@KeenanThomas308 is saying that the person whose picture this is didn't say that and is suing the people claiming he did.
Precisely. And YouTube the viral video of “why u always lying” so you can get my playful tone.
NotAPervert
Can you cite any sources? Genuinely curious
If you want to be taken seriously and not a troll.
ThailandExpress
@KeenanThomas308
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
He is wrong. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas-man-speaks-about-black-lives-matter/
Anyone can post a news story. A good example of PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. Read the story again. This was made by someone who doesnt like BLM.
SophieClockwise
Not sure why people are blindly upvoting this, considering that it's a blatant lie. The man pictured did indeed say that in an interview.
Y do u care. Where is the video & what’s his name. U believe everything u c on the internet. Facebook is being sued 2 protect people like u.
jinbee
Well now you've both gotta post a source
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas-man-speaks-about-black-lives-matter/
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
So you found your “article” that proves vaccines cause autism.
muussis
I'm not a slave = there is no racism. Good work there ol' man.
Irishda
Interesting how we blame the lack of respect on the people who don't immediately resort to their guns
hessians4hire
Anyone who posts this shit you can tell right away they are 100% MAGAt piece of shit.
aslowgiantfart
Police see men as more dangerous than women. They also see black men as more dangerous than white men. Neither attitude is good
DadBodThor
I see you as a faceless serial killer
pawdraig
I think most people see it that way. I know way more women that have had racist shit shout at them than men, in the same area.
Men are more likely to be violent though. You can't just waive the magic equalization wand and make the statistical difference disappear.
d0o0o0d
They aren't wrong, there are a lot more men in prison for violent crimes than there are women.
xKaraKx
Statistically speaking neither is unfounded
imadethiswheniwastooyoungshootme
Maybe because redlining created the ghetto and then we gave them drugs? We made this problem and now we’re blaming them.
The circumstances of ones birth are no excuse for immoral behaviour
antman2988
Statistically speaking, it's quite severe too...which really sucks. Gotta figure out a way to change it.
Zipbang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
DECOLONIZE MATHEMATICS!
YOUR RACIST STATISTICS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!
Right. But blacks are only more violent because they are more impoverished. That doesn’t change the value of their lives.
It was still their choice to engage in violent action
Orion1453
I mean, seeing men as more dangerous as women is perfectly reasonable, is it not? Men, *generally speaking*, are more dangerous. Men are>
>larger and stronger on average. That last bit is very important. There are definitely women that can kick just as much ass as any man can.
FvcktangularBondulance
And, statistically, black men are vastly more likely to commit violent crime. Generally speaking. What do we do with this information?
Well, nothing can be done. Generalizations can be helpful, but not when interacting with an individual.
gibberishDude
..and statistically black men are more dangerous than white men. But I will be downvoted, right? Fix the cause, not the symptom.
MaxieMooo
I only downvoted coz you said you will be downvoted. I agree with you
I expected to be. There is usually a double standard when talking about race and perception and that completely forbids talking about it.
JonatasAM
You have my upvote, if it means anything.
Yes. Poverty leads to crime. Blacks are more impoverished. They get shot and jailed which continues the vicious cycle.
Between the World and Me is an interesting look from a black man’s side of things. It’s addressed to his son. Give it a read.
CrypticRuin
Because they fn are. 7% of the population and commit 43% of cop related fatal shootings
Cops also target black people for "enforcement" a great deal more than white people.
MovedToast
It doesn't exactly help that the majority of the black folks live in cities with an infamous criminal past before they were the main locals.
I don't think the behavior of white criminals from a long time ago has much effect on the way police target their resources today.
It kind of does. Cops in major cities are the most paranoid and gang-minded of cops. And the gang mindset trains you to be uber-paranoid 1)
PowerToAllThePeople
This is getting hated on for (I assume) racism but no one is saying its because they are a certain race that they do commit more crime
mainly due to circumstance. Race isn't the cause but don't ignore statistics just to avoid looking racist because stats don't careabout race
Facts dont lie. They get spun to fit a narrative. 7% of the population kills half the cops each year. Period. Full stop.
bleblebla
But race is quite good indicator in this case, I can presume clothes for example also play a role, you get young Latino dude with ms13 1/
2/ tattoos it sends a message, you see a young dude in specific types of clothing, that does so as well
Wealth is a better fit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/?utm_term=.daaa855775
Kavoral
Couple things wrong with this. They didn't include the most common police killing: while in the line of duty..
And they tried to breeze over the fact that much fewer black people are killing way more cops when that's pretty important.
Would be more telling to look at the comparison of income and violence though.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime for those that don't want to subscribe to the WP
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
Thw whole premise of the claim is wrong though. Black men aren't 12-13% of the population, they're less than half of that.
Every source I can find says 12(ish)% https://www.infoplease.com/us/race-population/population-united-states-race-and-hispaniclatino-origin
Imonheretoomuch2
...‘officers are no more likely to be killed by black offenders than white offenders.’ - last line in your article
Da3n
That’s the WaPo denial. The article clearly lays out the facts which contradict their “conclusion”
10% of the population should not be responsible for more than 10% of the crime. The fact that cope are equally likely to be be either
Right, 50/50 chance.. but black males only make up around 7% of the population....
joq8
But what % of the apprehended? That's a critical stat.
Inkfinger
You know a really good way to avoid getting profiled by the police? Obey the law.
Or if police profiles you, act like respectful civilised member of society
Then got shot in your car in front of your partner and child
You realise majority of verified cases were person threatening the police while police are aware anyone can potentially have a gun and use 1
2 it on them in a blink of an eye? That's how officers get shot, person can be on drugs or have something illegal on then and consider 3/
chemicalBagel
It's like you don't even understand what "profiling" is.
Terrence92
You can get profiled even in that case. Something as little as the way your dressed could red flag somebody, the music your listening to idk
middlehead
That will not stop a profiling. It Should stop a beating or false arrest, but not the profiling.
TautologyIsWhatItIs
This is a joke, right?
What?
ikbeneengeit
100% chance you're not black
buttbuttpartywagon
Maybe it's because I dont show hostility towards them, erratically reach for my waistband, or make sudden "drawing" movements
PickledLightning
Worst police encounter this one has had is a speeding ticket.
Nope have been approached with guns drawn. Nice try though
Drunk3nm0nkey
Hostility towards police is also a learned behavior. When you're mistreated you mistrust.
So is the ways the police treat people. So many cops have been killed because they didnt act
CeruleanK
In farming there's what they call a "Judas pig" they keep it alive & it leads all the others to slaughter because nothing bad happens to it
You just compared him to a farm animal, but they are racist eh?
Ok, he's an Uncle Tom. Better?
Oh yeah, MUCH less racist.
pumper
He looks like a Fallout character.
ironisktvit
Cops aren't racist! Just look at this quote I made up and put on a picture of a wise old black guy
Mavgurian
Proof?
Prove that guy said that. But what does it matter, even if he did? He's obviously wrong.
Why?
Because black people aren't being shot because "they think they can do whatever they want."
mallerzkay
Cops aren't racist. Cops aren't a race or species with collective thoughts. They're humans, of many ethnicities. Some good people, some bad.
pip1
Eh, this is kinda bullshit. Just because lynchings arent a thing anymore doesnt mean racism is gone
severous96
Good old lynchings. I remember fondly my first time being lunched.
simonsaysabunchofstuff
Now they just prosecute and throw you in a private prison so that they can profit off your labor again, just like the good old days.
If your baseline for 'serious racism' is set to 'lynchings are a regular thing', that might affect your perceptions a bit.
Ok, but you have to admit, the progress made is astounding. Some people act like the country hasn't moved on from the 1950's.
AgainstMethod
The progress made in the past 30 years is actually well short of astounding.
The racial wealth gap is worse than in 1983. The VRA has been defanged. White supremacists are more active than in the early 90's.
1) So what changed in 1983 that caused a racial wealth gap? 2) Not sure what VRA is. 3) I think the increase is definitely caused by ->
the popularization of identity politics. On that last point, that is why I think this "no progress/always racist" attitude is so harmful.
1) Nothing specific to 1983, just saying we've made no progress on that point. 2) VRA is the Voting Rights Act. 3) What progress has been...
Memeeater
Who are you arguing against here?
Some people
The pessimists who always are trying to tell everyone how shit things are instead of taking a breath and acknowledging all the progress made
theirarefourlights
I do like the Steven pinker argument that the world is getting less violent. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep working to improve.
Yes, but it's not very clear how to proceed when we've equalized the playing field in terms of rights. How do we improve things identified->
Where are they here though? U haven't heard anyone say we aren't better off now than we were in the 1950's
Not here, although I have heard that. Best captured in the chant being used today at universities "we have nothing to lose but our chains"->
fizzlebuns
It's not stopping the GOP from trying to bring it all back though. Hate crimes are up 220% in cities after Trump does a rally there.
"hate crimes" http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/
Not wrong, but hate crimes have been climbing steadily since 2014.
ShineyAndChrome
Source please?
SydneySleeper
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/trumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.51ad7ad9d759
Correlation vs. causation? They even say in the paper it's not really clear why this is happening.
GoToTheZoo
It is a great sentiment but there was a child gunned down with a toy gun and lets not forget the guy shot while sitting in his car-
Raiderbeater
While questionable none of those events prove mass “systematic” racism. While individual events can vary the majority of society is better
and you have to cherry pick the questionable incidents 1s out of 10,000s to build a generalization. Generalizations are bad either way.
Both tragic. However, go and watch the body cam footage of fatal interactions this year. Unjustified shootings are very rare.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
I'm with you halfway but a young teen waving around a not obviously fake toy gun is just a horrible situation.
Wouldn't be the same narrative as "young teen guns down 2 police because they thought his gun might be a fake even though it looked real"
Bad people exist. That doesn't make bigotry okay.
CheapAss
You do realise this exact thing happens to people of other race but just not reported on. Don't let the media brainwash you.
sosotired
If they are doin it to other people of other races, that means there is a problem. Not that everything is okay.
Mediumtim2
Also Saheed Vassel: https://youtu.be/FZ5vI6JBOcY?t=85
theholymammoth
A toy gun that looks real
Winterous
You know damn well that toy gun incident was a wholly justified shooting. There's plenty of legitimate examples, that's not one.
"The shooting of a 12 year old boy was wholly justified" :ok_hand:
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
How? They pulled up and shot him no warning or anything. Have you seen the video?
Someone pointed what appeared to be a gun at them. You don't wait to find out if a fucking gun is real. Have YOU seen the video?
I saw the video. They could have pulled up anywhere that wasnt next to the kid and told him to drop it. They were 2feet from him and gunned
Justified? You’re kidding right? Right??
-im just as racist as most of you but come on now there's an actual problem here let's not gloss over it.
RadicalLeftist
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/the-stop-race-police-traffic/
Those are extreme circumstances that's why you hear about it. The norm is ignored. 300-400 mass shootings a year. Talk about that.
Counterfit
We do talk about that. And the people who don't want changes to gun laws say "what about urban violence?"
ililililililililililililili
BuT I nEeD iT fOr PrOtEcTiOn
At the very least, institutionalised racism
TheManInTheWall
Do you think thats down to racism or down to poor training on the part of the officer?
Jonesssssss
Well, what's it called when a black kid's possession is mistaken as a gun while a white kid's possession is correctly identified?
It all depends on circumstance. Unless all variables except the independent are kept at a control, you cant truly tell, and even then you'd
Have to repeat the situation multiple times
When students can take over a campus and lock the police up chanting black power without anyone doing anything about it. Racism is dead
Did the toy look like a real gun??
The guy who called the cops told them "it's probably a toy"
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Then the dispatcher didn't pass that info on to the responding officers.
Nice try! https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tamir-rice-911-call-20141126-htmlstory.html
Yes.
Is that a reason to shoot. Maybe is you didnt make it a reality that a kid in America could have an actual gun easily this wouldn't happen
Chaimgoldbergenstein
it was virtually identical to a real gun. Bottom gun is real, top gun is the "toy gun."
It would be more accurate to call it a replica than a toy.
You're actually slightly more likely to get shot by the police if you're white. https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 MMM is misleading.
Does that make it okay to be shot while unarmed?
Is that a real question?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180205134232.htm this argues against that, from Boston University
No, it doesn't argue against that. It's just a different data set from a different region. One doesn't cancel the other out.
WellThatWentOK
[...] blacks are 21.2 percent more likely to endure some form of force in an interaction
and whites are more likely to get shot at without first attacking the police...
Directly contrary to your source, the part I snipped: Even when officers report civilians have been compliant and no arrest was made,
No, my claim is accurate. You're talking about use of FORCE. I said SHOOTING. They clearly make that distinction and have data for both.
[...] officer-involved shootings we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls.
*caveat: have not actually sat down and read through the whole paper yet. Just the conclusions.
jsnforce
Well, if we're talking numbers, they're also responsible for 52% of all homicides. Just being "more likely" isn't enough info.
The data shows they're slightly more likely... That IS the info...
But why, where? Are there areas this is focused in? Lotta violent crime in those places?
I'm just saying that data points can be used to smear folks easily if there's no context.
Is that due to some sort of overt or implicit bias or due to tension due to perceptions of police interactions leading to escalation?
I have no idea. It would be worth your while to read the paper, or at least the conclusion section and decide for yourself.
The paper is about the statics, I was asking for a hypothesis about why we see the racial disparity which the paper makes no claim on.
It is really hard to pinpoint the exact cause and seeing different outcomes based on race does not mean the cause is SOLELY racism.
It could be unconscious bias, reduced empathy for working with majority white precincts pulling over a higher proportion of minorities
esterchestermin
This comment section...you Americans are a different breed man. But congrats on finding a black dude who fits in your echo chamber
MeowMachine12
As someone from America, I can say but not all Americans are in that echo chamber.
Yesterday on FP people were talking about how cops murdered some white girl, now it's all "disrespect deserves the death penalty!!!" Fuck...
That ain't nothing new by any stretch. Imgur has always been home to back the boohoo blue bootlickers.
Most comments I see are arguing against the image.
skylin05
Please just remember that there are plenty of Americans who think this is horrible too. I hate the US... Wish I lived almost anywhere else-
in the developed world.
I'm not being dramatic when I say USA will be the next major country to fall to facism wether in 5 years or 50. People will cheer it on...
Already there, Commander-in-chief likes to say "Free press is the enemy of the people"
methistopholes
You are a liar.
And you are a moron. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/29/18037894/donald-trump-twitter-media-enemy-pittsburgh
Your own source calls you a liar. "The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People". Not "Free Press"; "Fake News".
TolstoyTheFox
Late-night Imgur is especially bad for whatever reason. Straight-up racism, sexism, and other nasty crap hits the FP in droves.
I’ve seen posts commending blackface make it to upper usersub rising before they got taken down, it’s disgusting
That shits not limited to late night
Alt-Reich neckbeards don't have work or a social life. They just troll from their parents basement.
amp99
Stop and frisk operations by US police target blacks much more than whites. Racism? Yep. https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data
Yet you're more likely to get shot by police if you're white. https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative.
Sorry your own source refutes your narrative: "on the most extreme use of force [shootings] we are unable to detect any racial differences"
"officers report that they are 46.6% less likely to discharge their firearms before being attacked if the suspect is black." pg. 28
This specifically shows there isn't an epidemic of racist police shooting unarmed black people, which is the main stream media narrative.
Again, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and isn't a factor in law enforcement and the judicial system. I'm saying it isn't an epidemic.
“US police” that was only NYC buddy
I thought NY was in the US?
Stop and frisk was a NYC program not a us program and they study only covered NY police.
Were those US police?
primetime43
I would say this is more stereotyping, not racism.
Stopping & frisking people who are stereotypically more likely to have committed the crime, not targeting because of a hatred of skin color.
You know that racial profiling is racist, don't you? The name is sort of a clue...
But they then act upon racist prejudices/ stereotypes with their authoirty/ power, which is literal racism
I do agree with the power thing, but prejudice is not the same as someone being racist.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Racism%20vs%20Prejudice
failedtodelete
I mean that's an interesting idea, but when you consider that BLM happened because innocnet people were getting shot by cops, it's also
wrong. Sure, criminals get themselves shot a lot, but as far as I'm aware, people weren't getting outraged about that.
Ltjohnmcclane
BLM happened because Michael Brown was shot and killed. He was far from innocent.
Wasnt it started because of criminals getting shot? I mean, give me the date they were founded and which shooting triggered it...
mursursburg
Depends on the crime. Being executed for a selling loose cigarettes or running away with a street-legal pocketknife is not okay.
Perhaps, but i recall "hands up, don't shoot" being the initial rallying cry, which was based on a lie after a guy tried to take a cop's gun
Cops go to thousands if not millions of calls a day. They fact that more mistakes don’t happen is a miracle. We just hear about the 1 bad 1
No, it's a sad reality of having a police force tooled up and paranoid abouot all the criminals in the same position
5 in Britain, in Australia, in New Zealand, in lots of other places, it's not ignored.
4 and by care so much more, a great deal of this is just preventing the wider population from being tooled up. When things like this happen
3 also police are called upon to try to treat criminals with the intention of not escalating things like that.
2 wheereas other countries have much lower shooting rates not just by police but by society because they care so much more
There are plenty of unjustified shootings, unfortunately BLM has a record of outrage over the justified ones instead.
Grimdude
Oh?
TheRespectedContender
Yeah Philando Castile was just a big o bag of black rage huh?
What part of this argues against my point? Also love the "black rage" touch there on the end. No projecting happening at all.
What’s up with all the ppl claiming “projection” lately? Comes from lots of Trump supporters, interestingly.
I am sure it has nothing to do with the collectivized narcissist hysteria fostered by Marxist ideologies you espouse, nothing at all.
You keep seeing Nazis behind every bush though if you like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile or u can be black w/ CCP in a car & not be living
chanbara84
i got into a fight a few years ago. so i should be shot when im told to get my registration? dont be a simpleton
DeeLightfulme
This whole situation is an absolute tragedy, but the fact that it was infront of his 4 year old daughter hurts my heart. Senseless loss ?
therealpopkiller
I think of Philando Castile often & his poor child, who will have to forever live with the memory of her father being killed in front of her
Scandeliciously
It wasn't her Father...
Oh. Well she’ll be fine then and look back on it with fondness
IAlwaysUpvoteBirdies
It doesn't matter. Someone was shot and killed in front of her. Can you imagine how traumatic that must have been for her?
Zahnradfee
And without any reason. Just imagine how she must feel like now. Knowing that even when you do everything right you could be killed. What >
a loss of security must she feel! It would freak me out.
She was begging her mom to calm down so she wouldn’t get shot too. A 4-year-old. It’s one of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever seen
Lethous
It’s stories like the that make me not want a CCP. The odds of me needing it are less than something happening for having it.
chardlz
It's a matter of how well you can handle yourself in that situation. It's rarely the victims fault in those situations, but doing the right
Thing the right way, knowing what that is from the cop's perspective goes a long way to being safe. Even as a white kid, even before i
Started carrying, I've always announced my intentions to cops that don't seem to be totally at ease. Especially if the interaction comes
About due to something more serious than a moving violation. If it's "you look like a suspect in a crime" you should be incredibly cautious
rbudrick
Well, to be fair, you shouldn't have soviet socialist republics in your car.
KathyKruelly
It's the people's car, comrade
codyshredd
Police officer told him not to move because there WAS a GUN in the car. He moved. RIP.
so you think the murder was justified then?
No I don’t think it is justified. The officers are under a lot of stress 24/7, they are trained to kill. We need stop and obey every order.
we need TO stop obeying every order, or we are forced to stop and obey every order?
Literally. 1. Stop 2. Listen 3. Obey 4. Don’t die.
gaidinbdj
The fact that it made the news and is notable enough for a large wikipedia article speaks to how uncommon an event it is.
theoutdoorrageous
A lot makes the news and gets its own wiki page? are those things uncommon?
Yes. Common things don't make the news and aren't notable enough for Wikipedia entries.
CheeseEggsAndPotatoes
Lol a post about unity between divides racially and this asshole thinks “naw not today, let’s polarize some more with this comment”
It's not a post about "unity" it's a post about "stop whining about racism its not that bad anymore." Don't be like this
lhasafever
Or a 70 year old white man reaching for his cane in Clover, SC.
Gio412
This comment is part of the problem. Bad things happen. Race is not the deciding factor for why. Try to see what this post is about. Try to
Unify just once. Try it. Be better. Have respect. Look for the positive. Just once.
KeylessChuck
Look up Daniel Shaver.
vanmock019
Where I live stuff like this doesn't happen, but more often than not you'll see real criminals get off Scot free in courts, and people who 1
We're just trying to protect themselves get dragged over the coals by the authorities. I know of one guy who shot someone in self defense 2
While getting car jacked that is still in court trying get it worked out... Our country is just fucky man
Extar97
The driver dis-obeyed the cop in this situation. It doesn't justify killing someone though.
Lobuttomize
But did it actually have to do with his race? Cops can do harmful shit without it being about race
jeromygride
No, that’s wrong think
/s
PRoseLegend
Eg Justine Damond, white lady gunned down by the cops she called to her street because she heard a woman screaming and wanted to help. /1
Get your shit together US cops. /2
MrSebi
They do. But in an environment where your race can invite extra harmful shit, you find yourself at higher risk around them.
RickJ364d
If you can find one case anywhere in the us where a white CCP carrier was shot while declaring his CCP and his weapon....oh wait, you can’t.
Statistically you are more likely to be pulled over if your are a non white even though you may be a minority in that area source in reply
TlalocTemporal
Correlation isn't causation. More black people are disadvantaged, and those people -no matter genetics- are more likely to commit crimes.
Thing is you don't need causation as a cop. All you need is the correlation to know they're more likely to yield a bust
SenorFatHand
This
bobbob1016
Was this the one where they cop said not to reach for his wallet and the guy continued to? Shouldn't have happened, but the cop didn't...
...know if it was a gun or wallet the guy was going for. Not in any saying all are, but the FBI ran numbers, and 13% of the population...
VinerialBlumpkin11
Yes even better, all that was preceded by him telling the cop he had a gun. "Alright, just don't reach for anything". Reaches for something
Gets yelled at don't reach, still doesn't stop, gets shot. Even if he wasn't doing anything illegal, he was an absolute moron.
I'm not a fan of calling him a moron. Partly bc he's dead, but he also may not have heard the cop.
Angrymechanic
If you're not allowed to get your license or registration out what the fuck are you supposed to do? Sit there looking at each other?
secretoaster
I think cops are trained all wrong. They emphasize protecting themselves more than protecting the others unlike firemen.
Melancholy69
Firemen and Police officers have to deal with totally different situations
Not true. They're suppose to identify danger and save people. Police treat everyone like fire.
Trapphus
Burning buildings dont throw grenades, they don't sneak up on you from behind, they don't open fire when you pull them over
onlyhalfghost
Protect and serve, not protect your ass.
They have a right to defend themselves as much as anyone else.
It was tension and bad communication on both sides. He was told not to reach for his gun, he didn't. (1/2)
When he reached for his registration unannounced he got shot. Absolute shit-show; officer should have been far more verbally engaging.
CrustySandwichBread
The gentleman as well. My gun is on x side. I'm reaching for my wallet, I will move slowly, one hand up. Situation was bullshit and he didnt
Deserve to be shot. Tension is way too unnecessarily high between cops and blacks due to mainly ignorance.
whatwhatwhonow
He reached for the registration because he was TOLD to reach for the registration.
No, only one side was at fault. Castille followed orders to a T and got shot for it. He literally did nothing wrong.
Castile was pulled over bc he matched the description of a robbery suspect. The similarity? They both had a “wide-set nose”, ie, black.
AnAccountToPostThis
Matching a profile isnt racism....
SlushMagic
That's matching facial features but going off the nose alone is a bit much, as in a bit, I mean there's probably some racial bias there
Luuseri
Not as serious, but i was once conforted by mad dad saying i broke his daughters playhouse, i asked"based on what?" black cap and a bicycle.
istealthepixelsfromreposts
Stopping someone just because they have the same skin tone is however.
Matching a profile based solely on a facial feature common with one race is
pauliexclusions
Saying that one race has a common feature is racist.
dashers
It *can* be. Depending on the make up of the total populous.
VoidofLostKnowledge
So you're saying a black man committing a crime made the police believe that this black man was the criminal? I fail to see racism.
Himura82
So if a black man commits a crime then it's ok to pull over any other black man because they might have a similar nose? That's all it takes?
Well if you're looking for a black man, why would you stop and search someone who wasn't a black man just to be pc?
KLUSTENATOR
I hope this was sarcasm. But at this point I can't tell. It's akin to Japanese US residents in internment camps after Pearl Harbor.
Rightfully so, you can't have people with sympathies toward the enemy roaming around in wartime. It's understandable.
How is investigating a crime based off of what little info you have the same as imprisoning a whole race?
The cop who shot him was later acquitted of all charges. Absolute bullshit.
TheStaleBread
Yeah and this is what people mean by black live matter. If it was a white guy people would be losing their shit
server1a
Cops statistically shoot white people (even if they are brandishing a firearm) less often than they do unarmed black men (per case).
crusader1089
But if we imprison cops for shooting peaceful black men they might stop shooting peaceful black men!/s
AwkwardKeming
It's because the way the laws are written is absolute insanity, but politicians can't win with a campaign of "let's get tough on cops!"
When cops do wrong it is so rare that it gets to court that a racist/stupid/threatened jury acquitting is especially disheartening.
RoryBlack1
Most of the time the shootings are justified and no one bothers to read the public police report so they say it is unjustified based on 1/2
Zero evidence whatsoever other than a news headline. 2/2
mav81
Granted. This was not one of those times. Really sad
At least the department had the good enough sense to fire him after the trial
kirbfucius
It's ok, he'll be rehired by another department.
AStupidWeeb
If we want to stop this, we need some kind of national registry of people who shouldn't be allowed on a police force.
CPatricoo
Cops commiting crimes without justice isnt rare. This isnt a brutaility issue its an injustice issue.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
It's not so much racist as the cops get off no matter who they shoot. Of course it's mainly because the laws protect cops a ton.
Did you see the video of that incident? It's all on video by the way.
Yes, every minute of it
I don't see how anyone can bitch if they saw video. "Don't grab for anything". Proceeds to grab for stuff after telling cop he had gun....
So he deserved to be shot 7 times? If he wanted to shoot the cop, why would he tell him he had a gun first? That cop panicked & killed a man
In self defense, you shoot until the person stops. Almost all self defense shooting use multiple rounds. Watch the video, it was a
Ginkawa
wasn't he told to get his id though?
No, he said he was getting his I'd, the cop told him to stop doing that, he kept insisting and grabbing despite being yelled at to stop with
creepin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPmCWB0BGo Tragic Shooting, watch this for some perspective
Good video, shitty situation.
ScarosZ
I get that police get shot all the time but if that makes you unsteady an unable to properly assess a situation you shouldnt be a cop
That cop starts shooting before he has even seen a weapon, as far as im conserned thats gross misconduct which resulted in murder
The thing is is that cops really DONT get shot at all the time. The biggest killers of cops are traffic accidents and heart disease.
You don't get into car accidents all the time but doesn't mean you shouldn't drive defensively
You also shouldnt "defensively" ram people off the road.
Happens to white folk just as often, it's just not a salacious news bit you'll hear about.
More often. During interactions with the police where any force is used, the rate of deadly force is highest if you're white.
MorrighanWolf
No it does not an it makes the bloody news when it does.
Not per capita it doesn't.
Not per capita, but if you just count interactions with the police, the rate is highest for whites. The rate that white people have an...
Do you know what "per capita" means and why it's important when talking about population statistics?
Yes. Which is why I specifically said I wasn't talking about per capita but rate among police interactions.
...interaction with the police is slightly lower, but during those interactions the rate of use of deadly force is higher.
I don't think it was a justified shooting however what the video doesn't show is that the officer told him not to reach for his gun.
And that's why he was acquitted.
hpeterson
He was reaching for his wallet to get his license since the cop asked him for it.
Did you read the transcript? He told the officer he had a gun and was told not to reach for it and he continued to reach.
So how's he suppose to get his license the cop asked him to produce? Kind of a no win scenario.
I agree. I don't like to Monday morning quarterback but as soon as the officer says don't reach for it, you have to stop and do what he asks
Their entire encounter was 40 sec. there’s dash cam from the cop car. His partner didn’t draw his weapon. The cop panicked and lost control
Why do you think he panicked?
I watched both videos of the incident & the immediate aftermath. It’s obvious he did not have a clear, level head & control of the situation
Why do you think that?
Yes one or two instaces of a cop shooting an unarmed black man should be treated as a problem. Furthering the divide and negative sentiment.
leeloumultipass
Why only 1 or 2? Just curious about why that particular choice versus 0 or 10.
300-400 mass shootings a year that are preventable. Institutionalised racism doesn't exist, look at Evergreen.
300-400 mass shootings? I don’t understand. Do you mean 300-400 police shootings of civilians? I didn’t get your statement.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ you can check previous years to see the 300-400 i'm talking about
Shohanna
You mean Master of denial. **smdh**
M8 how are you this disturbed. Get help
https://killedbypolice.net/
As if these are all innocent people. You're ill. Get help. http://www.shootingtracker.com
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
kinsos
So by the math of this there are fewer than 100 unarmed black people killed by police in 2018? I like how the sauce didn’t mention 1/
Anything about whether the unarmed shootings were justified or not, nor did they define unarmed. They also managed to give exact numbers 2/
When the numbers were big but they failed to give the smaller number and chose to use percentages instead. Imma call that sauce biased AF3/3
Like someone dragged to court for having 1000 mgs of cocaine on their person. 1000!!!!! THATS A HUGE NUMBER. Oh wait 5 grams. An amount the
Size of a pinky nail. Maybe less. Hmm.
Love how they start with their conclusion and work backwards. No mention of stats that show blacks are more likely to interact with copsor
Institutionalised racism does not exist. America has bigger problems. Stop screeching the victim card.
That whites are more likely to die from any given interaction with cops. (More deaths from fewer interactions) or
Any stats showing that out of tens of millions of police interactions only 1k deaths is utterly miniscule.
And yet you are not angry about it. Who the fuck cares what race they are, cops shouldn't be killing people who are not actively a threat.
Tomcat1982
Blacks have more police interaction because they tend to live in areas where crime and gang activity are higher.
CandidGamera
Survivor bias, anecdotal evidence, what-about-ism, "kids these days", truism, tokenism. Quite an elaborate bullshit construct you made there
coffeebaby
[formula for popular post on imgur]
GoldenSour2
One old black man, two tablespoons of hating on BLM, three pounds of racism is over, zero sources and voila! Bone apple tea!
coffeebaby
Don't forget the sprinkle of color blindness
Thismulfucka
..and the obligatory ; "Morgan Freeman - He's Right you know" meme!!.
untrugby
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
Just remember to not feed the trolls, stay safe, be home before the street lamps come on.
storebrandproductmascot
Another in Imgur's popular 10,000 part series entitled: "Look, I found the one black guy who agrees with me!"
coffeebaby
Imgur loves an uncle tom
pronoun
Another in Imgur's popular 10,000 part series entitled: "salty comments that don't actually engage the argument."
storebrandproductmascot
I posted links to studies on racial inequalities in the U.S. justice system in a different comment if you want to check my history.
hertta
Correlation does not imply causation. Disparate outcomes do not imply disparate treatment.
pronoun
Those are great studies, but they're not actually evidence of racism. You can't just point out a disparity and insert racism as the cause.
storebrandproductmascot
The studies control for other factors. I seriously doubt you read enough in the last 3 minutes to determine they're all bunk.
pronoun
Those studies have been around... And I didn't say they were bunk. I said they weren't evidence of racism, because they aren't.
pronoun
Racism is probably a part of the problem, but it's a leap to assume it's all or even most of what's causing the disparity.
SharkShanker
Yeah, that’s not really how it works with racism
michealangleo
Just because your further from the start line than before, doesnt mean youve finished the marathon
CrocodileDunphy
Michael K Williams is getting old
BubbleF0X
Anecdotal evidence = best type of evidence
Fedotia
It's text near a photo of a hobo without source. I doubt it qualifies as evidence.
relpmeraggy
FutureHylian
Ok yes, he has a point, but lets not pretend that there isnt actual racism and prejudice still going on to people just minding their busines
itsjustjake
Things are better today than they were. It does feel good to see yourself as a hero in a world full of monsters though.
KillinYaWithKindness
It's bad-No one should be getting more grants, better access to jobs, or laws that protect them only b/c of their skin color, genitals, etc.
dman5282000
And the racism today is against whites. We need to get over this if we ever want to live in peace. Racism is nothing but ignorance
GrandpaRossysOldManDongs
There's still tons of racism against other races.
sizoravira127001
Racism has nothing to do with it
EXiSTENCEthreshold
Racism will exist as long as we divide ourselves in races. We're all just different shades of people.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Tribalism seems to be a biological imperative. You don’t start with ignoring systemic problems.
CurryKompetence
But we can't just ignore racism. It exists. Saying that stuff is delusional, because race does play huge role, whether we want that or not.
EXiSTENCEthreshold
Imagine how funny it would be if we found aliens on mars. Some of them blue and some of them green, fighting over which color is superior.
vodeniks5772
Of every race.
MrShieldy
Truem but it would be a lot less if people wouldn't make it such a big deal, spread lies and wouldn't want racism to be a thing.
BairGodOfFgts
Thankyou.gif
Samoosa
NOT make a big deal out of racism? Ita fucked up generations of communities thanks to racists, just so racists can blame them for the issues
MrShieldy
Well yes, thats not what I mean. I mean people make everything a race thing. Everything is racist, everyones offended.
MrShieldy
I know that there's still racist people, a lot of them. But some people just WANT to get offended.
raviolihummingbird
So racism wouldn't be a big deal if we just swept it under the rug? That's the solution! Let's just never talk about problematic things agai
Sprixxen
Well, it's sketchy now because overt racism in the mainstream is pretty much dead. So now people are chasing "implicit bias" or coming 1/2
Sprixxen
to conclusions of widespread racism when they see any statistical differences between races. It's a multi-faceted issue. 2/2
MrShieldy
No, thats not what I mean. I mean focus on actual racism not make everyone be overly sensitive. Not get scared of a fucking word for example
Masterofdisgust
You completely missed the point.
H3RLA
Missing the point is one of the things that causes this "dividing"; putting a 'BUT' behind everything is ruining society.
Masterofdisgust
Yeah exactly. Putting that but there is saying he agrees with the philosophy but thinks he's wrong. Undermining the whole point.
serpentinebaboo
Nah, I think you did. “It used to be a lot worse so current racism isn’t worth addressing” is what this says.
Masterofdisgust
Institutionalised racism is dead. it does not exist in modern America. If it did Evergreen would never have happened.
serpentinebaboo
Dead, huh? I see you aren’t a person who can be reasoned with and I get why you missed the point. It was voluntary.
Masterofdisgust
Evergreen college was taken over by students chanting "Black Power" on a day where white students were banned from campus. Wasn't voluntary.
Fenwaywookie
This is horseshit white folks upvote to justify police brutality.
EvilDeadTed
Hey, not all white people are racist. We're not a monolith, man. Don't give in to racism yourself.
Fenwaywookie
If you didnt upvote it, then it doesnt apply to you, ofay. And fuck the "nawp" defense
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Fenwaywookie
Keep whining
yudodat
It's gross generalization is what it is.
untrugby
It’s a gross generalization that most people will treat each other with decency?
cpnbeeb
Oh boy, another front page episode of One Of The Good Ones™
Sinmiedo1931
Nice.
boomsman
I swear it’s like they got bored of the dump they turned 9gag into and brought their bs here
Roshiro
Crap, y'all being hysterical of a POV. Chill yo titties a little it's the internet.
WorthEveryPenny
It's about election time
DimensionMaster
Commenting to favorite this post.
Whiskywinewater
Countless Black peole: "racism is a problem". One black dude: "no its not". White people: "SEEEE?? EVERYTHING IS FINE".
Sprixxen
All anecdotes get no closer to understanding the general issue. The issue is multi-faceted and there are multiple contributing variables.
KeenanThomas308
The song, “Why you always lyin”. That man is the picture has a law suit against whoever posted his image on there “post racism” fantasy.
KeenanThomas308
He Probably never even heard of BLM. LOL, contrary 2 popular belief we all don’t knw each other. Black old ppl r clueless like all others.
ArandomDane
Could you link that. The only thing I was able to find was this https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas-man-speaks-about-black-lives-matter/
KeenanThomas308
There’s huge difference between a quote & “Quote attributed to “ someone. It seems that story was lifted from this site. LOL
FatedMusic
Please provide a source for this. :(
ThatchRoofCastle
... make this make sense please.
KeenanThomas308
If it has to be explained it’s not for you. ?
amglasgow
@KeenanThomas308 is saying that the person whose picture this is didn't say that and is suing the people claiming he did.
KeenanThomas308
Precisely. And YouTube the viral video of “why u always lying” so you can get my playful tone.
NotAPervert
Can you cite any sources? Genuinely curious
KeenanThomas308
If you want to be taken seriously and not a troll.
ThailandExpress
@KeenanThomas308
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
He is wrong. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas-man-speaks-about-black-lives-matter/
KeenanThomas308
Anyone can post a news story. A good example of PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. Read the story again. This was made by someone who doesnt like BLM.
SophieClockwise
Not sure why people are blindly upvoting this, considering that it's a blatant lie. The man pictured did indeed say that in an interview.
KeenanThomas308
Y do u care. Where is the video & what’s his name. U believe everything u c on the internet. Facebook is being sued 2 protect people like u.
jinbee
Well now you've both gotta post a source
AuryxBecauseWhyNot
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/texas-man-speaks-about-black-lives-matter/
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
So you found your “article” that proves vaccines cause autism.
muussis
I'm not a slave = there is no racism. Good work there ol' man.
Irishda
Interesting how we blame the lack of respect on the people who don't immediately resort to their guns
hessians4hire
Anyone who posts this shit you can tell right away they are 100% MAGAt piece of shit.
aslowgiantfart
Police see men as more dangerous than women. They also see black men as more dangerous than white men. Neither attitude is good
DadBodThor
I see you as a faceless serial killer
pawdraig
I think most people see it that way. I know way more women that have had racist shit shout at them than men, in the same area.
Sprixxen
Men are more likely to be violent though. You can't just waive the magic equalization wand and make the statistical difference disappear.
d0o0o0d
They aren't wrong, there are a lot more men in prison for violent crimes than there are women.
xKaraKx
Statistically speaking neither is unfounded
imadethiswheniwastooyoungshootme
Maybe because redlining created the ghetto and then we gave them drugs? We made this problem and now we’re blaming them.
xKaraKx
The circumstances of ones birth are no excuse for immoral behaviour
antman2988
Statistically speaking, it's quite severe too...which really sucks. Gotta figure out a way to change it.
Zipbang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
DECOLONIZE MATHEMATICS!
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
YOUR RACIST STATISTICS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!
aslowgiantfart
Right. But blacks are only more violent because they are more impoverished. That doesn’t change the value of their lives.
xKaraKx
It was still their choice to engage in violent action
Orion1453
I mean, seeing men as more dangerous as women is perfectly reasonable, is it not? Men, *generally speaking*, are more dangerous. Men are>
Orion1453
>larger and stronger on average. That last bit is very important. There are definitely women that can kick just as much ass as any man can.
FvcktangularBondulance
And, statistically, black men are vastly more likely to commit violent crime. Generally speaking. What do we do with this information?
Sprixxen
Well, nothing can be done. Generalizations can be helpful, but not when interacting with an individual.
gibberishDude
..and statistically black men are more dangerous than white men. But I will be downvoted, right? Fix the cause, not the symptom.
MaxieMooo
I only downvoted coz you said you will be downvoted. I agree with you
gibberishDude
I expected to be. There is usually a double standard when talking about race and perception and that completely forbids talking about it.
JonatasAM
You have my upvote, if it means anything.
aslowgiantfart
Yes. Poverty leads to crime. Blacks are more impoverished. They get shot and jailed which continues the vicious cycle.
aslowgiantfart
Between the World and Me is an interesting look from a black man’s side of things. It’s addressed to his son. Give it a read.
CrypticRuin
Because they fn are. 7% of the population and commit 43% of cop related fatal shootings
amglasgow
Cops also target black people for "enforcement" a great deal more than white people.
MovedToast
It doesn't exactly help that the majority of the black folks live in cities with an infamous criminal past before they were the main locals.
amglasgow
I don't think the behavior of white criminals from a long time ago has much effect on the way police target their resources today.
MovedToast
It kind of does. Cops in major cities are the most paranoid and gang-minded of cops. And the gang mindset trains you to be uber-paranoid 1)
PowerToAllThePeople
This is getting hated on for (I assume) racism but no one is saying its because they are a certain race that they do commit more crime
PowerToAllThePeople
mainly due to circumstance. Race isn't the cause but don't ignore statistics just to avoid looking racist because stats don't careabout race
CrypticRuin
Facts dont lie. They get spun to fit a narrative. 7% of the population kills half the cops each year. Period. Full stop.
bleblebla
But race is quite good indicator in this case, I can presume clothes for example also play a role, you get young Latino dude with ms13 1/
bleblebla
2/ tattoos it sends a message, you see a young dude in specific types of clothing, that does so as well
ArandomDane
Wealth is a better fit.
CrypticRuin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/?utm_term=.daaa855775
Kavoral
Couple things wrong with this. They didn't include the most common police killing: while in the line of duty..
Kavoral
And they tried to breeze over the fact that much fewer black people are killing way more cops when that's pretty important.
Kavoral
Would be more telling to look at the comparison of income and violence though.
PowerToAllThePeople
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime for those that don't want to subscribe to the WP
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
Thw whole premise of the claim is wrong though. Black men aren't 12-13% of the population, they're less than half of that.
PowerToAllThePeople
Every source I can find says 12(ish)% https://www.infoplease.com/us/race-population/population-united-states-race-and-hispaniclatino-origin
Imonheretoomuch2
...‘officers are no more likely to be killed by black offenders than white offenders.’ - last line in your article
Da3n
That’s the WaPo denial. The article clearly lays out the facts which contradict their “conclusion”
Da3n
10% of the population should not be responsible for more than 10% of the crime. The fact that cope are equally likely to be be either
CrypticRuin
Right, 50/50 chance.. but black males only make up around 7% of the population....
joq8
But what % of the apprehended? That's a critical stat.
Inkfinger
You know a really good way to avoid getting profiled by the police? Obey the law.
bleblebla
Or if police profiles you, act like respectful civilised member of society
joq8
Then got shot in your car in front of your partner and child
bleblebla
You realise majority of verified cases were person threatening the police while police are aware anyone can potentially have a gun and use 1
bleblebla
2 it on them in a blink of an eye? That's how officers get shot, person can be on drugs or have something illegal on then and consider 3/
chemicalBagel
It's like you don't even understand what "profiling" is.
Terrence92
You can get profiled even in that case. Something as little as the way your dressed could red flag somebody, the music your listening to idk
middlehead
That will not stop a profiling. It Should stop a beating or false arrest, but not the profiling.
TautologyIsWhatItIs
This is a joke, right?
TautologyIsWhatItIs
What?
ikbeneengeit
100% chance you're not black
buttbuttpartywagon
Maybe it's because I dont show hostility towards them, erratically reach for my waistband, or make sudden "drawing" movements
PickledLightning
Worst police encounter this one has had is a speeding ticket.
buttbuttpartywagon
Nope have been approached with guns drawn. Nice try though
Drunk3nm0nkey
Hostility towards police is also a learned behavior. When you're mistreated you mistrust.
buttbuttpartywagon
So is the ways the police treat people. So many cops have been killed because they didnt act
CeruleanK
In farming there's what they call a "Judas pig" they keep it alive & it leads all the others to slaughter because nothing bad happens to it
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
You just compared him to a farm animal, but they are racist eh?
EvilDeadTed
Ok, he's an Uncle Tom. Better?
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
Oh yeah, MUCH less racist.
pumper
He looks like a Fallout character.
ironisktvit
Cops aren't racist! Just look at this quote I made up and put on a picture of a wise old black guy
Mavgurian
Proof?
EvilDeadTed
Prove that guy said that. But what does it matter, even if he did? He's obviously wrong.
Mavgurian
Why?
EvilDeadTed
Because black people aren't being shot because "they think they can do whatever they want."
mallerzkay
Cops aren't racist. Cops aren't a race or species with collective thoughts. They're humans, of many ethnicities. Some good people, some bad.
pip1
Eh, this is kinda bullshit. Just because lynchings arent a thing anymore doesnt mean racism is gone
severous96
Good old lynchings. I remember fondly my first time being lunched.
simonsaysabunchofstuff
Now they just prosecute and throw you in a private prison so that they can profit off your labor again, just like the good old days.
d0o0o0d
If your baseline for 'serious racism' is set to 'lynchings are a regular thing', that might affect your perceptions a bit.
Sprixxen
Ok, but you have to admit, the progress made is astounding. Some people act like the country hasn't moved on from the 1950's.
AgainstMethod
The progress made in the past 30 years is actually well short of astounding.
AgainstMethod
The racial wealth gap is worse than in 1983. The VRA has been defanged. White supremacists are more active than in the early 90's.
Sprixxen
1) So what changed in 1983 that caused a racial wealth gap? 2) Not sure what VRA is. 3) I think the increase is definitely caused by ->
Sprixxen
the popularization of identity politics. On that last point, that is why I think this "no progress/always racist" attitude is so harmful.
AgainstMethod
1) Nothing specific to 1983, just saying we've made no progress on that point. 2) VRA is the Voting Rights Act. 3) What progress has been...
Memeeater
Who are you arguing against here?
AgainstMethod
Some people
Sprixxen
The pessimists who always are trying to tell everyone how shit things are instead of taking a breath and acknowledging all the progress made
theirarefourlights
I do like the Steven pinker argument that the world is getting less violent. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep working to improve.
Sprixxen
Yes, but it's not very clear how to proceed when we've equalized the playing field in terms of rights. How do we improve things identified->
Memeeater
Where are they here though? U haven't heard anyone say we aren't better off now than we were in the 1950's
Sprixxen
Not here, although I have heard that. Best captured in the chant being used today at universities "we have nothing to lose but our chains"->
fizzlebuns
It's not stopping the GOP from trying to bring it all back though. Hate crimes are up 220% in cities after Trump does a rally there.
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
"hate crimes" http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/
cpnbeeb
Not wrong, but hate crimes have been climbing steadily since 2014.
ShineyAndChrome
Source please?
SydneySleeper
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/trumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.51ad7ad9d759
Sprixxen
Correlation vs. causation? They even say in the paper it's not really clear why this is happening.
GoToTheZoo
It is a great sentiment but there was a child gunned down with a toy gun and lets not forget the guy shot while sitting in his car-
Raiderbeater
While questionable none of those events prove mass “systematic” racism. While individual events can vary the majority of society is better
Raiderbeater
and you have to cherry pick the questionable incidents 1s out of 10,000s to build a generalization. Generalizations are bad either way.
Sprixxen
Both tragic. However, go and watch the body cam footage of fatal interactions this year. Unjustified shootings are very rare.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
I'm with you halfway but a young teen waving around a not obviously fake toy gun is just a horrible situation.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Wouldn't be the same narrative as "young teen guns down 2 police because they thought his gun might be a fake even though it looked real"
KillinYaWithKindness
Bad people exist. That doesn't make bigotry okay.
CheapAss
You do realise this exact thing happens to people of other race but just not reported on. Don't let the media brainwash you.
sosotired
If they are doin it to other people of other races, that means there is a problem. Not that everything is okay.
Mediumtim2
Also Saheed Vassel: https://youtu.be/FZ5vI6JBOcY?t=85
theholymammoth
A toy gun that looks real
Winterous
You know damn well that toy gun incident was a wholly justified shooting. There's plenty of legitimate examples, that's not one.
GoToTheZoo
"The shooting of a 12 year old boy was wholly justified" :ok_hand:
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
How? They pulled up and shot him no warning or anything. Have you seen the video?
Winterous
Someone pointed what appeared to be a gun at them. You don't wait to find out if a fucking gun is real. Have YOU seen the video?
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
I saw the video. They could have pulled up anywhere that wasnt next to the kid and told him to drop it. They were 2feet from him and gunned
boomsman
Justified? You’re kidding right? Right??
GoToTheZoo
-im just as racist as most of you but come on now there's an actual problem here let's not gloss over it.
RadicalLeftist
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/the-stop-race-police-traffic/
Masterofdisgust
Those are extreme circumstances that's why you hear about it. The norm is ignored. 300-400 mass shootings a year. Talk about that.
Counterfit
We do talk about that. And the people who don't want changes to gun laws say "what about urban violence?"
ililililililililililililili
BuT I nEeD iT fOr PrOtEcTiOn
Masterofdisgust
At the very least, institutionalised racism
TheManInTheWall
Do you think thats down to racism or down to poor training on the part of the officer?
Jonesssssss
Well, what's it called when a black kid's possession is mistaken as a gun while a white kid's possession is correctly identified?
TheManInTheWall
It all depends on circumstance. Unless all variables except the independent are kept at a control, you cant truly tell, and even then you'd
TheManInTheWall
Have to repeat the situation multiple times
Masterofdisgust
When students can take over a campus and lock the police up chanting black power without anyone doing anything about it. Racism is dead
ililililililililililililili
Did the toy look like a real gun??
Fedotia
The guy who called the cops told them "it's probably a toy"
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Then the dispatcher didn't pass that info on to the responding officers.
Thismulfucka
Nice try! https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tamir-rice-911-call-20141126-htmlstory.html
ShineyAndChrome
Yes.
RadicalLeftist
Is that a reason to shoot. Maybe is you didnt make it a reality that a kid in America could have an actual gun easily this wouldn't happen
Chaimgoldbergenstein
Chaimgoldbergenstein
It would be more accurate to call it a replica than a toy.
pronoun
You're actually slightly more likely to get shot by the police if you're white. https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 MMM is misleading.
sosotired
Does that make it okay to be shot while unarmed?
pronoun
Is that a real question?
RadicalLeftist
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180205134232.htm this argues against that, from Boston University
pronoun
No, it doesn't argue against that. It's just a different data set from a different region. One doesn't cancel the other out.
WellThatWentOK
[...] blacks are 21.2 percent more likely to endure some form of force in an interaction
pronoun
and whites are more likely to get shot at without first attacking the police...
WellThatWentOK
Directly contrary to your source, the part I snipped: Even when officers report civilians have been compliant and no arrest was made,
pronoun
No, my claim is accurate. You're talking about use of FORCE. I said SHOOTING. They clearly make that distinction and have data for both.
WellThatWentOK
[...] officer-involved shootings we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls.
WellThatWentOK
*caveat: have not actually sat down and read through the whole paper yet. Just the conclusions.
jsnforce
Well, if we're talking numbers, they're also responsible for 52% of all homicides. Just being "more likely" isn't enough info.
pronoun
The data shows they're slightly more likely... That IS the info...
jsnforce
But why, where? Are there areas this is focused in? Lotta violent crime in those places?
jsnforce
I'm just saying that data points can be used to smear folks easily if there's no context.
Sprixxen
Is that due to some sort of overt or implicit bias or due to tension due to perceptions of police interactions leading to escalation?
WellThatWentOK
I have no idea. It would be worth your while to read the paper, or at least the conclusion section and decide for yourself.
Sprixxen
The paper is about the statics, I was asking for a hypothesis about why we see the racial disparity which the paper makes no claim on.
Sprixxen
It is really hard to pinpoint the exact cause and seeing different outcomes based on race does not mean the cause is SOLELY racism.
RadicalLeftist
It could be unconscious bias, reduced empathy for working with majority white precincts pulling over a higher proportion of minorities
esterchestermin
This comment section...you Americans are a different breed man. But congrats on finding a black dude who fits in your echo chamber
MeowMachine12
As someone from America, I can say but not all Americans are in that echo chamber.
GoldenSour2
Yesterday on FP people were talking about how cops murdered some white girl, now it's all "disrespect deserves the death penalty!!!" Fuck...
cpnbeeb
That ain't nothing new by any stretch. Imgur has always been home to back the boohoo blue bootlickers.
FvcktangularBondulance
Most comments I see are arguing against the image.
skylin05
Please just remember that there are plenty of Americans who think this is horrible too. I hate the US... Wish I lived almost anywhere else-
skylin05
in the developed world.
GoldenSour2
I'm not being dramatic when I say USA will be the next major country to fall to facism wether in 5 years or 50. People will cheer it on...
Fedotia
Already there, Commander-in-chief likes to say "Free press is the enemy of the people"
methistopholes
You are a liar.
Fedotia
And you are a moron. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/29/18037894/donald-trump-twitter-media-enemy-pittsburgh
methistopholes
Your own source calls you a liar. "The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People". Not "Free Press"; "Fake News".
TolstoyTheFox
Late-night Imgur is especially bad for whatever reason. Straight-up racism, sexism, and other nasty crap hits the FP in droves.
imadethiswheniwastooyoungshootme
I’ve seen posts commending blackface make it to upper usersub rising before they got taken down, it’s disgusting
Counterfit
That shits not limited to late night
EvilDeadTed
Alt-Reich neckbeards don't have work or a social life. They just troll from their parents basement.
amp99
Stop and frisk operations by US police target blacks much more than whites. Racism? Yep. https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data
pronoun
Yet you're more likely to get shot by police if you're white. https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative.
WellThatWentOK
Sorry your own source refutes your narrative: "on the most extreme use of force [shootings] we are unable to detect any racial differences"
pronoun
"officers report that they are 46.6% less likely to discharge their firearms before being attacked if the suspect is black." pg. 28
pronoun
This specifically shows there isn't an epidemic of racist police shooting unarmed black people, which is the main stream media narrative.
pronoun
Again, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and isn't a factor in law enforcement and the judicial system. I'm saying it isn't an epidemic.
untrugby
“US police” that was only NYC buddy
amp99
I thought NY was in the US?
untrugby
Stop and frisk was a NYC program not a us program and they study only covered NY police.
amp99
Were those US police?
primetime43
I would say this is more stereotyping, not racism.
amp99
What?
mallerzkay
Stopping & frisking people who are stereotypically more likely to have committed the crime, not targeting because of a hatred of skin color.
amp99
You know that racial profiling is racist, don't you? The name is sort of a clue...
Memeeater
But they then act upon racist prejudices/ stereotypes with their authoirty/ power, which is literal racism
primetime43
I do agree with the power thing, but prejudice is not the same as someone being racist.
primetime43
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Racism%20vs%20Prejudice
failedtodelete
I mean that's an interesting idea, but when you consider that BLM happened because innocnet people were getting shot by cops, it's also
failedtodelete
wrong. Sure, criminals get themselves shot a lot, but as far as I'm aware, people weren't getting outraged about that.
Ltjohnmcclane
BLM happened because Michael Brown was shot and killed. He was far from innocent.
ShineyAndChrome
Wasnt it started because of criminals getting shot? I mean, give me the date they were founded and which shooting triggered it...
mursursburg
Depends on the crime. Being executed for a selling loose cigarettes or running away with a street-legal pocketknife is not okay.
ShineyAndChrome
Perhaps, but i recall "hands up, don't shoot" being the initial rallying cry, which was based on a lie after a guy tried to take a cop's gun
theholymammoth
Cops go to thousands if not millions of calls a day. They fact that more mistakes don’t happen is a miracle. We just hear about the 1 bad 1
failedtodelete
No, it's a sad reality of having a police force tooled up and paranoid abouot all the criminals in the same position
failedtodelete
5 in Britain, in Australia, in New Zealand, in lots of other places, it's not ignored.
failedtodelete
4 and by care so much more, a great deal of this is just preventing the wider population from being tooled up. When things like this happen
failedtodelete
3 also police are called upon to try to treat criminals with the intention of not escalating things like that.
failedtodelete
2 wheereas other countries have much lower shooting rates not just by police but by society because they care so much more
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
There are plenty of unjustified shootings, unfortunately BLM has a record of outrage over the justified ones instead.
Grimdude
Oh?
TheRespectedContender
Yeah Philando Castile was just a big o bag of black rage huh?
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
What part of this argues against my point? Also love the "black rage" touch there on the end. No projecting happening at all.
TheRespectedContender
What’s up with all the ppl claiming “projection” lately? Comes from lots of Trump supporters, interestingly.
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
I am sure it has nothing to do with the collectivized narcissist hysteria fostered by Marxist ideologies you espouse, nothing at all.
TakeRoyOffTheGrid
You keep seeing Nazis behind every bush though if you like.
ThailandExpress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile or u can be black w/ CCP in a car & not be living
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chanbara84
i got into a fight a few years ago. so i should be shot when im told to get my registration? dont be a simpleton
DeeLightfulme
This whole situation is an absolute tragedy, but the fact that it was infront of his 4 year old daughter hurts my heart. Senseless loss ?
therealpopkiller
I think of Philando Castile often & his poor child, who will have to forever live with the memory of her father being killed in front of her
Scandeliciously
It wasn't her Father...
therealpopkiller
Oh. Well she’ll be fine then and look back on it with fondness
IAlwaysUpvoteBirdies
It doesn't matter. Someone was shot and killed in front of her. Can you imagine how traumatic that must have been for her?
Zahnradfee
And without any reason. Just imagine how she must feel like now. Knowing that even when you do everything right you could be killed. What >
Zahnradfee
a loss of security must she feel! It would freak me out.
therealpopkiller
She was begging her mom to calm down so she wouldn’t get shot too. A 4-year-old. It’s one of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever seen
Lethous
It’s stories like the that make me not want a CCP. The odds of me needing it are less than something happening for having it.
chardlz
It's a matter of how well you can handle yourself in that situation. It's rarely the victims fault in those situations, but doing the right
chardlz
Thing the right way, knowing what that is from the cop's perspective goes a long way to being safe. Even as a white kid, even before i
chardlz
Started carrying, I've always announced my intentions to cops that don't seem to be totally at ease. Especially if the interaction comes
chardlz
About due to something more serious than a moving violation. If it's "you look like a suspect in a crime" you should be incredibly cautious
rbudrick
Well, to be fair, you shouldn't have soviet socialist republics in your car.
KathyKruelly
It's the people's car, comrade
codyshredd
Police officer told him not to move because there WAS a GUN in the car. He moved. RIP.
chanbara84
so you think the murder was justified then?
codyshredd
No I don’t think it is justified. The officers are under a lot of stress 24/7, they are trained to kill. We need stop and obey every order.
chanbara84
we need TO stop obeying every order, or we are forced to stop and obey every order?
codyshredd
Literally. 1. Stop 2. Listen 3. Obey 4. Don’t die.
gaidinbdj
The fact that it made the news and is notable enough for a large wikipedia article speaks to how uncommon an event it is.
theoutdoorrageous
A lot makes the news and gets its own wiki page? are those things uncommon?
gaidinbdj
Yes. Common things don't make the news and aren't notable enough for Wikipedia entries.
CheeseEggsAndPotatoes
Lol a post about unity between divides racially and this asshole thinks “naw not today, let’s polarize some more with this comment”
Grimdude
It's not a post about "unity" it's a post about "stop whining about racism its not that bad anymore." Don't be like this
lhasafever
Or a 70 year old white man reaching for his cane in Clover, SC.
Gio412
This comment is part of the problem. Bad things happen. Race is not the deciding factor for why. Try to see what this post is about. Try to
Gio412
Unify just once. Try it. Be better. Have respect. Look for the positive. Just once.
KeylessChuck
Look up Daniel Shaver.
vanmock019
Where I live stuff like this doesn't happen, but more often than not you'll see real criminals get off Scot free in courts, and people who 1
vanmock019
We're just trying to protect themselves get dragged over the coals by the authorities. I know of one guy who shot someone in self defense 2
vanmock019
While getting car jacked that is still in court trying get it worked out... Our country is just fucky man
Extar97
The driver dis-obeyed the cop in this situation. It doesn't justify killing someone though.
Lobuttomize
But did it actually have to do with his race? Cops can do harmful shit without it being about race
jeromygride
No, that’s wrong think
jeromygride
/s
PRoseLegend
Eg Justine Damond, white lady gunned down by the cops she called to her street because she heard a woman screaming and wanted to help. /1
PRoseLegend
Get your shit together US cops. /2
MrSebi
They do. But in an environment where your race can invite extra harmful shit, you find yourself at higher risk around them.
RickJ364d
If you can find one case anywhere in the us where a white CCP carrier was shot while declaring his CCP and his weapon....oh wait, you can’t.
RadicalLeftist
Statistically you are more likely to be pulled over if your are a non white even though you may be a minority in that area source in reply
RadicalLeftist
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/the-stop-race-police-traffic/
TlalocTemporal
Correlation isn't causation. More black people are disadvantaged, and those people -no matter genetics- are more likely to commit crimes.
Lobuttomize
Thing is you don't need causation as a cop. All you need is the correlation to know they're more likely to yield a bust
SenorFatHand
This
bobbob1016
Was this the one where they cop said not to reach for his wallet and the guy continued to? Shouldn't have happened, but the cop didn't...
bobbob1016
...know if it was a gun or wallet the guy was going for. Not in any saying all are, but the FBI ran numbers, and 13% of the population...
VinerialBlumpkin11
Yes even better, all that was preceded by him telling the cop he had a gun. "Alright, just don't reach for anything". Reaches for something
VinerialBlumpkin11
Gets yelled at don't reach, still doesn't stop, gets shot. Even if he wasn't doing anything illegal, he was an absolute moron.
bobbob1016
I'm not a fan of calling him a moron. Partly bc he's dead, but he also may not have heard the cop.
Angrymechanic
If you're not allowed to get your license or registration out what the fuck are you supposed to do? Sit there looking at each other?
secretoaster
I think cops are trained all wrong. They emphasize protecting themselves more than protecting the others unlike firemen.
Melancholy69
Firemen and Police officers have to deal with totally different situations
secretoaster
Not true. They're suppose to identify danger and save people. Police treat everyone like fire.
Trapphus
Burning buildings dont throw grenades, they don't sneak up on you from behind, they don't open fire when you pull them over
onlyhalfghost
Protect and serve, not protect your ass.
Melancholy69
They have a right to defend themselves as much as anyone else.
Mediumtim2
It was tension and bad communication on both sides. He was told not to reach for his gun, he didn't. (1/2)
Mediumtim2
When he reached for his registration unannounced he got shot. Absolute shit-show; officer should have been far more verbally engaging.
CrustySandwichBread
The gentleman as well. My gun is on x side. I'm reaching for my wallet, I will move slowly, one hand up. Situation was bullshit and he didnt
CrustySandwichBread
Deserve to be shot. Tension is way too unnecessarily high between cops and blacks due to mainly ignorance.
whatwhatwhonow
He reached for the registration because he was TOLD to reach for the registration.
whatwhatwhonow
No, only one side was at fault. Castille followed orders to a T and got shot for it. He literally did nothing wrong.
therealpopkiller
Castile was pulled over bc he matched the description of a robbery suspect. The similarity? They both had a “wide-set nose”, ie, black.
AnAccountToPostThis
Matching a profile isnt racism....
SlushMagic
That's matching facial features but going off the nose alone is a bit much, as in a bit, I mean there's probably some racial bias there
Luuseri
Not as serious, but i was once conforted by mad dad saying i broke his daughters playhouse, i asked"based on what?" black cap and a bicycle.
istealthepixelsfromreposts
Stopping someone just because they have the same skin tone is however.
therealpopkiller
Matching a profile based solely on a facial feature common with one race is
pauliexclusions
Saying that one race has a common feature is racist.
dashers
It *can* be. Depending on the make up of the total populous.
VoidofLostKnowledge
So you're saying a black man committing a crime made the police believe that this black man was the criminal? I fail to see racism.
Himura82
So if a black man commits a crime then it's ok to pull over any other black man because they might have a similar nose? That's all it takes?
VoidofLostKnowledge
Well if you're looking for a black man, why would you stop and search someone who wasn't a black man just to be pc?
KLUSTENATOR
I hope this was sarcasm. But at this point I can't tell. It's akin to Japanese US residents in internment camps after Pearl Harbor.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Rightfully so, you can't have people with sympathies toward the enemy roaming around in wartime. It's understandable.
VinerialBlumpkin11
How is investigating a crime based off of what little info you have the same as imprisoning a whole race?
therealpopkiller
The cop who shot him was later acquitted of all charges. Absolute bullshit.
TheStaleBread
Yeah and this is what people mean by black live matter. If it was a white guy people would be losing their shit
server1a
Cops statistically shoot white people (even if they are brandishing a firearm) less often than they do unarmed black men (per case).
crusader1089
But if we imprison cops for shooting peaceful black men they might stop shooting peaceful black men!/s
AwkwardKeming
It's because the way the laws are written is absolute insanity, but politicians can't win with a campaign of "let's get tough on cops!"
GoldenSour2
When cops do wrong it is so rare that it gets to court that a racist/stupid/threatened jury acquitting is especially disheartening.
RoryBlack1
Most of the time the shootings are justified and no one bothers to read the public police report so they say it is unjustified based on 1/2
RoryBlack1
Zero evidence whatsoever other than a news headline. 2/2
mav81
Granted. This was not one of those times. Really sad
therealpopkiller
At least the department had the good enough sense to fire him after the trial
kirbfucius
It's ok, he'll be rehired by another department.
AStupidWeeb
If we want to stop this, we need some kind of national registry of people who shouldn't be allowed on a police force.
CPatricoo
Cops commiting crimes without justice isnt rare. This isnt a brutaility issue its an injustice issue.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
It's not so much racist as the cops get off no matter who they shoot. Of course it's mainly because the laws protect cops a ton.
hertta
Did you see the video of that incident? It's all on video by the way.
hertta
Did you see the video of that incident? It's all on video by the way.
therealpopkiller
Yes, every minute of it
VinerialBlumpkin11
I don't see how anyone can bitch if they saw video. "Don't grab for anything". Proceeds to grab for stuff after telling cop he had gun....
therealpopkiller
So he deserved to be shot 7 times? If he wanted to shoot the cop, why would he tell him he had a gun first? That cop panicked & killed a man
VinerialBlumpkin11
In self defense, you shoot until the person stops. Almost all self defense shooting use multiple rounds. Watch the video, it was a
Ginkawa
wasn't he told to get his id though?
VinerialBlumpkin11
No, he said he was getting his I'd, the cop told him to stop doing that, he kept insisting and grabbing despite being yelled at to stop with
creepin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPmCWB0BGo Tragic Shooting, watch this for some perspective
hertta
Good video, shitty situation.
ScarosZ
I get that police get shot all the time but if that makes you unsteady an unable to properly assess a situation you shouldnt be a cop
ScarosZ
That cop starts shooting before he has even seen a weapon, as far as im conserned thats gross misconduct which resulted in murder
whatwhatwhonow
The thing is is that cops really DONT get shot at all the time. The biggest killers of cops are traffic accidents and heart disease.
Melancholy69
You don't get into car accidents all the time but doesn't mean you shouldn't drive defensively
whatwhatwhonow
You also shouldnt "defensively" ram people off the road.
lhasafever
Happens to white folk just as often, it's just not a salacious news bit you'll hear about.
gaidinbdj
More often. During interactions with the police where any force is used, the rate of deadly force is highest if you're white.
MorrighanWolf
No it does not an it makes the bloody news when it does.
whatwhatwhonow
Not per capita it doesn't.
gaidinbdj
Not per capita, but if you just count interactions with the police, the rate is highest for whites. The rate that white people have an...
whatwhatwhonow
Do you know what "per capita" means and why it's important when talking about population statistics?
gaidinbdj
Yes. Which is why I specifically said I wasn't talking about per capita but rate among police interactions.
gaidinbdj
...interaction with the police is slightly lower, but during those interactions the rate of use of deadly force is higher.
Ltjohnmcclane
I don't think it was a justified shooting however what the video doesn't show is that the officer told him not to reach for his gun.
Ltjohnmcclane
And that's why he was acquitted.
hpeterson
He was reaching for his wallet to get his license since the cop asked him for it.
Ltjohnmcclane
Did you read the transcript? He told the officer he had a gun and was told not to reach for it and he continued to reach.
hpeterson
So how's he suppose to get his license the cop asked him to produce? Kind of a no win scenario.
Ltjohnmcclane
I agree. I don't like to Monday morning quarterback but as soon as the officer says don't reach for it, you have to stop and do what he asks
therealpopkiller
Their entire encounter was 40 sec. there’s dash cam from the cop car. His partner didn’t draw his weapon. The cop panicked and lost control
Ltjohnmcclane
Why do you think he panicked?
therealpopkiller
I watched both videos of the incident & the immediate aftermath. It’s obvious he did not have a clear, level head & control of the situation
Ltjohnmcclane
Why do you think that?
Masterofdisgust
Yes one or two instaces of a cop shooting an unarmed black man should be treated as a problem. Furthering the divide and negative sentiment.
leeloumultipass
Why only 1 or 2? Just curious about why that particular choice versus 0 or 10.
Masterofdisgust
300-400 mass shootings a year that are preventable. Institutionalised racism doesn't exist, look at Evergreen.
leeloumultipass
300-400 mass shootings? I don’t understand. Do you mean 300-400 police shootings of civilians? I didn’t get your statement.
Masterofdisgust
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ you can check previous years to see the 300-400 i'm talking about
Shohanna
You mean Master of denial. **smdh**
Masterofdisgust
M8 how are you this disturbed. Get help
Shohanna
https://killedbypolice.net/
Masterofdisgust
As if these are all innocent people. You're ill. Get help. http://www.shootingtracker.com
ThailandExpress
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
kinsos
So by the math of this there are fewer than 100 unarmed black people killed by police in 2018? I like how the sauce didn’t mention 1/
kinsos
Anything about whether the unarmed shootings were justified or not, nor did they define unarmed. They also managed to give exact numbers 2/
kinsos
When the numbers were big but they failed to give the smaller number and chose to use percentages instead. Imma call that sauce biased AF3/3
CrustySandwichBread
Like someone dragged to court for having 1000 mgs of cocaine on their person. 1000!!!!! THATS A HUGE NUMBER. Oh wait 5 grams. An amount the
CrustySandwichBread
Size of a pinky nail. Maybe less. Hmm.
AnAccountToPostThis
Love how they start with their conclusion and work backwards. No mention of stats that show blacks are more likely to interact with copsor
Masterofdisgust
Institutionalised racism does not exist. America has bigger problems. Stop screeching the victim card.
AnAccountToPostThis
That whites are more likely to die from any given interaction with cops. (More deaths from fewer interactions) or
AnAccountToPostThis
Any stats showing that out of tens of millions of police interactions only 1k deaths is utterly miniscule.
sosotired
And yet you are not angry about it. Who the fuck cares what race they are, cops shouldn't be killing people who are not actively a threat.
Tomcat1982
Blacks have more police interaction because they tend to live in areas where crime and gang activity are higher.