Here's the original source, wide screen, full quality of the full match. Sasha Reynolds (the winner in this video) explains what happened. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvpu4Ia8ZS8
I saw an extended video of this, and that woman was doing some real dirty shit, fucking punching the kid in the side of the ribs. Fucking bitch got what she deserved.
My longsword coach is also like this. She’s like 5’2, and people use their size to attempt to intimidate her during tournaments. She just dances in and parry thrust.
The Wheels on Meals fighting style? To paraphrase SeanBaby he could not win in a straight up fight so he changed up his fighting style to “fucking around“
I remember reading somewhere that someone's fencing instructor said the worst opponents to fight are a master, who has the benefit of however many years of experience and skill, and a complete-but-athletic-amateur, because you never know what the fuck they're going to do since they've never been trained to do the "proper" things.
There is a girl in my son's bjj class that does this. She is tiny so she never faces someone her size. From what I've seen, her strategy is to make other people hold her weight by doing an arm bar while they are still standing.
My cousin used to compete in Karate tournaments as a teenager. In one tournament his opponent was repeatedly contacting him in ways that weren't permitted and the ref missed it. My cousin was getting increasingly angry and once he realized he wouldn't be able to win by the rules he opted not to try. My Uncle watched his face and said "He's really mad, and this guy is about to feel the consequences of ny playing by the rules". Within a few moments his opponent was unconscious.
A couple of general comments to address some questions. You don’t let go on the tap. You let go when the ref acknowledges the tap. Otherwise, people like Karen here say they didn’t tap. You take the pressure off but don’t let go. Secondly, it is not uncommon, WITHOUT HURTING THE OTHER PERSON, to send a message by holding on to the submission a bit longer than strictly necessary, to make a point that being a dick has consequences in an inherently dangerous activity.
Oh there are a thousand little ways to send a message when someone is fighting dirty. Holding a submission a little bit longer is just the beginning. E.G. when you get a hold of someone's gi's collar, you roll the knuckles of your hands in. or you stop softening the throw and just go full force onto the mat & watch 'em bounce, etc., etc., etc.
There is respectful fun sparing, and then there is the "Look here you little shit." sparing.
Yep. My personal favorite is to just…. Let go…. At the apex of the throw. Followed closely by using pressure to force positions. Not submissions. Positions.
Thats where that “pull her head down” advice comes from. Keep pulling that head down, if the other person still tries to powerbomb, all that strain goes on the neck
As a smaller person, It isn't as easy as you'd think for people to pick me up. Especially if they're in a triangle choke. That lady was either gonna be put into an arm bar or go limp. A "Power Bomb" would be a tall order.
They never use your size and strength against you. I promise. Size and strength are why weight classes exist. They certainly can mitigate and nullify it, especially if you decide to do something dumb with your size and strength.
I have a BJJ black belt, train MMA fighters, and have routinely watched women, tiny ones even, beat a guys ass. My point isn’t that they can’t fight well. My point is that in no way does that mean “using the opponent’s size and strength against them.” That’s not how that works. Size and strength are advantages 99.99999999+% of the time and cannot be “used against them.” A person can nullify those advantages, especially if the bigger stronger person makes bad choices.
It's more like 13 year old girl submits older opponent who runs head first into a triangle, the opponent also has leg control when the girl is in guard but elects to get in her closed guard instead of passing the legs. She clearly has no idea what's going on. Good for the little girl tho I guess
I think what you meant to write here is “especially since the opponent had low skill and tried to substitute being a massive cunt, good for the little girl.”
These fighters that sit down are incredibly annoying to watch. I'm not saying that what the older lady did was right but if you won't actually stand and face your opponent youre kinda of a punk.
This isn't a fight though. It's a sport that simulates a fight, but it's got rules, and jujitsu rules make sitting down like that a viable tactic. Karate and fencing and wrestling and boxing and kendo and every other combat sport have rules that competitors use to do things they'd never do in a real fight, because if they didn't have rules it would BE a real fight and people would die.
🌸 You're underestimating the ground game. Sitting down isn't giving up - it's taking control of the fight.
Standing - you only have 2 limbs to operate with; your legs are busy holding you up. Further to fall...
Sitting down - 4 limbs to work with. Nowhere to fall & you use the ground as leverage.
Jiu-jitsu specifically teaches you both because in reality odds are; that first blow will often be unexpected and often knock you down. Especially if your opponent is bigger than you.
Watched a guy on YouTube train do a short while and just refuse to go to the ground in brasilian jujitsu… he won because it’s ducking stupid to get on the ground in a real fight
It's just what works effectively. Seemed weird at first to me but when you see something over a decade stick around you have to figure there's a reason. I honestly wonder if there are any match ups where both opponents are just scooting on their butts at each other to start. Link me if so, that sounds hilarious.
Nah you see this shit in the UFC. I've even see two fighters do it to each other. They just sit down and drag their ass everywhere. Its not fun to watch and I sort of poor sportsmanship.
I don't quite get the poor sportsmanship argument. If you know you have an advantage on the ground, force them to come to you instead of taking an unnecessary risk by trying to take them down first.
Yeah, but we're talking about this 13 year old against someone bigger and stronger. In this case I thought it was a good strategy to take away her advantage. Who knows how she would battle against someone her own size.
God forbid a fighter put themselves in a position that gives them an advantage in the fight. Goal is to win, not to see who can trade the most punches. Personally I find stand up to be boring as hell.
It's much more exciting when the fight gets to the ground. Then the REAL skill kicks in.
I don't know the rules enough to be mad at the face push. Sure I'd be mad if someone pushed me in the face during a fight, allowed or not. But, it is a fighting contest, hello?
It scans, at the very least, as unsportsmanlike conduct. Take them to the fucking mat with grace, and show them that you don't have to be a dick to win.
Should be a dq from the match and a warning from the ref. This lady is doing all this crap bc she's been allowed to get away with it. Which makes me question how well the refs are doing their jobs or the organization as a whole works to keep this kind of stuff from happening.
It's a fighting contest with agreed-upon rules. If you're in a boxing match and someone kicks you in the groin, that's unfair because you were reasonably expecting it to not happen.
mygodhasabiggerdick
"Sorry". No, you're not. But you fucking WILL be.
MarsIsAfire
Here's the original source, wide screen, full quality of the full match. Sasha Reynolds (the winner in this video) explains what happened. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvpu4Ia8ZS8
zortroz
Total dick moves. Good on the teen.
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
Yuppppp
jfitz
I’d be ok if the teacher took a little nap
nation543
I saw an extended video of this, and that woman was doing some real dirty shit, fucking punching the kid in the side of the ribs. Fucking bitch got what she deserved.
RCXpress
Got off easy, I thought.
r0b0tc0rpse
"When I tap let go!" Listen here you cunt...
Heavychunkymoisture
Lol. Tell that to Royce Gracie. He’d snap your arm back in the day
arthurvanhoudt
The face slap already should’ve been a warning!!
drunkbs
my HS girlfriend was like this in fencing. She'd use unconventional parries and attacks to humble people that were experienced.
DeviousWay
My longsword coach is also like this. She’s like 5’2, and people use their size to attempt to intimidate her during tournaments. She just dances in and parry thrust.
ToSisPoS
The Wheels on Meals fighting style? To paraphrase SeanBaby he could not win in a straight up fight so he changed up his fighting style to “fucking around“
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SimSimSimsalabim
"Parry this you filthy casual!"
Forosnai
I remember reading somewhere that someone's fencing instructor said the worst opponents to fight are a master, who has the benefit of however many years of experience and skill, and a complete-but-athletic-amateur, because you never know what the fuck they're going to do since they've never been trained to do the "proper" things.
dohcohv
There is a girl in my son's bjj class that does this. She is tiny so she never faces someone her size. From what I've seen, her strategy is to make other people hold her weight by doing an arm bar while they are still standing.
SlyMrFox
Fuck, my arm hurts just thinking about that.
seoras13
Graceless arsehole
ravenousj
I would've broken his fkn arm. But hey, that's me.
CyberWizard252
My cousin used to compete in Karate tournaments as a teenager. In one tournament his opponent was repeatedly contacting him in ways that weren't permitted and the ref missed it. My cousin was getting increasingly angry and once he realized he wouldn't be able to win by the rules he opted not to try. My Uncle watched his face and said "He's really mad, and this guy is about to feel the consequences of ny playing by the rules". Within a few moments his opponent was unconscious.
MeestowKitty
The greatest example of a sport falling to technicalities and the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
A couple of general comments to address some questions. You don’t let go on the tap. You let go when the ref acknowledges the tap. Otherwise, people like Karen here say they didn’t tap. You take the pressure off but don’t let go. Secondly, it is not uncommon, WITHOUT HURTING THE OTHER PERSON, to send a message by holding on to the submission a bit longer than strictly necessary, to make a point that being a dick has consequences in an inherently dangerous activity.
tEMPuSER632
send a message
Oh there are a thousand little ways to send a message when someone is fighting dirty. Holding a submission a little bit longer is just the beginning. E.G. when you get a hold of someone's gi's collar, you roll the knuckles of your hands in. or you stop softening the throw and just go full force onto the mat & watch 'em bounce, etc., etc., etc.
There is respectful fun sparing, and then there is the "Look here you little shit." sparing.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Yep. My personal favorite is to just…. Let go…. At the apex of the throw. Followed closely by using pressure to force positions. Not submissions. Positions.
Heavychunkymoisture
Bravo! Super impressive. She’s a killer
scottgarland12
Is there a legal age version of this porn?
blzbob
Karenjitsu fails again.
swofromtherock
The part where a much smaller and weaker opponent took out an aggressor?
MrRareza
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xkjagnz
LSIW
worm61
That’s a fucking child you creep.
ChelVanin
Put her head right in the trap.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
Pinch those knees together and she goes out faster next time little fighter! Nice triangle!
charliem
bad mannered at the end there
mksu
OK, now lift her up and turn it into a powerbomb.
Z0op
Thats where that “pull her head down” advice comes from. Keep pulling that head down, if the other person still tries to powerbomb, all that strain goes on the neck
JustDontCare
As a smaller person, It isn't as easy as you'd think for people to pick me up. Especially if they're in a triangle choke. That lady was either gonna be put into an arm bar or go limp. A "Power Bomb" would be a tall order.
JessSpile
What happens if both just sit down? nothing? it looks so stupid to me. I know it yields an extreme advantage, but still..
worm61
Never underestimate a well trained small girl. They know exactly how to use your strength and size against you.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
They never use your size and strength against you. I promise. Size and strength are why weight classes exist. They certainly can mitigate and nullify it, especially if you decide to do something dumb with your size and strength.
worm61
You’ve clearly never sparred with a tiny girl.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
I have a BJJ black belt, train MMA fighters, and have routinely watched women, tiny ones even, beat a guys ass. My point isn’t that they can’t fight well. My point is that in no way does that mean “using the opponent’s size and strength against them.” That’s not how that works. Size and strength are advantages 99.99999999+% of the time and cannot be “used against them.” A person can nullify those advantages, especially if the bigger stronger person makes bad choices.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Lesbian sex is weird. (seriously, nobody else had this comment?)
Etherealvalentine
IceWeaselX
Dude, she's 13 in this video. No.
worm61
About a child? No, because the rest of us aren’t disgusting.
troy1984
That older girl is such a massive loser.
PimDimMak
It's more like 13 year old girl submits older opponent who runs head first into a triangle, the opponent also has leg control when the girl is in guard but elects to get in her closed guard instead of passing the legs. She clearly has no idea what's going on. Good for the little girl tho I guess
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
I think what you meant to write here is “especially since the opponent had low skill and tried to substitute being a massive cunt, good for the little girl.”
Exyr
These fighters that sit down are incredibly annoying to watch. I'm not saying that what the older lady did was right but if you won't actually stand and face your opponent youre kinda of a punk.
Skawomplious
This isn't a fight though. It's a sport that simulates a fight, but it's got rules, and jujitsu rules make sitting down like that a viable tactic. Karate and fencing and wrestling and boxing and kendo and every other combat sport have rules that competitors use to do things they'd never do in a real fight, because if they didn't have rules it would BE a real fight and people would die.
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Cataleast
Wait... The triangle choke didn't clue you in that this isn't wrestling?
omuaomua
thats a way to fight like judo, karate, capoeira, cappucino... like playin chess: either you know how to react or not
CedricDur
So, fuck strategy, (especially 13 year old teen VS adult, fuck strategy).
MaxMschief
🌸 You're underestimating the ground game. Sitting down isn't giving up - it's taking control of the fight.
Standing - you only have 2 limbs to operate with; your legs are busy holding you up. Further to fall...
Sitting down - 4 limbs to work with. Nowhere to fall & you use the ground as leverage.
Jiu-jitsu specifically teaches you both because in reality odds are; that first blow will often be unexpected and often knock you down. Especially if your opponent is bigger than you.
aboyincerise
Watched a guy on YouTube train do a short while and just refuse to go to the ground in brasilian jujitsu… he won because it’s ducking stupid to get on the ground in a real fight
Covidien8768
You've never seen the old ufc Gracie fights
Snooj
Oh man, that was literally the first fight I ever saw in Ultimate. He was badass.
yoyopopo
It's just what works effectively. Seemed weird at first to me but when you see something over a decade stick around you have to figure there's a reason. I honestly wonder if there are any match ups where both opponents are just scooting on their butts at each other to start. Link me if so, that sounds hilarious.
olafthrig
I'm assuming striking is not allowed?
UnattendedDeviant
I was thinking she was taking away her advantage. Which wouldn't be a bad move.
Exyr
Nah you see this shit in the UFC. I've even see two fighters do it to each other. They just sit down and drag their ass everywhere. Its not fun to watch and I sort of poor sportsmanship.
Cataleast
I don't quite get the poor sportsmanship argument. If you know you have an advantage on the ground, force them to come to you instead of taking an unnecessary risk by trying to take them down first.
ChelVanin
Then watch boxing instead?
UnattendedDeviant
Yeah, but we're talking about this 13 year old against someone bigger and stronger. In this case I thought it was a good strategy to take away her advantage. Who knows how she would battle against someone her own size.
caledric
God forbid a fighter put themselves in a position that gives them an advantage in the fight. Goal is to win, not to see who can trade the most punches. Personally I find stand up to be boring as hell.
It's much more exciting when the fight gets to the ground. Then the REAL skill kicks in.
yoyopopo
I don't know the rules enough to be mad at the face push. Sure I'd be mad if someone pushed me in the face during a fight, allowed or not. But, it is a fighting contest, hello?
Tomigami
It scans, at the very least, as unsportsmanlike conduct. Take them to the fucking mat with grace, and show them that you don't have to be a dick to win.
"Sink or swim" indeed.
sadurdaynight
Should be a dq from the match and a warning from the ref. This lady is doing all this crap bc she's been allowed to get away with it. Which makes me question how well the refs are doing their jobs or the organization as a whole works to keep this kind of stuff from happening.
Dodel1976
I've thrown you an updoot, I didn't know either as I don't watch any of this, so why someone downvoted you I don't know.
IceWeaselX
It's a fighting contest with agreed-upon rules. If you're in a boxing match and someone kicks you in the groin, that's unfair because you were reasonably expecting it to not happen.
yoyopopo
So I take it that wasn't allowed?
IceWeaselX
Sasha the Shark (the girl) is an IBJJF competitor, so I assume this was one of their sanctioned events. By IBJJF rules, shoving someone's face with your hand or foot is illegal.
https://www.elitesports.com/blogs/news/the-ultimate-rules-guide-for-bjj-competitions-ibjjf-adcc-and-sjjif-rules
karcain
so, shouldnt the ref have immediately disqualified them for breaking the rules immediately?
yoyopopo
I thank you for the information. I retract my sentiment knowing it isn't allowed.