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#1 They want us to Know Our Places.
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#3. I have more in common with my MAGA neighbors than I do with any Billionaire.
Dec 29, 2024 3:05 PM
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
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#1 They want us to Know Our Places.
#2
#3. I have more in common with my MAGA neighbors than I do with any Billionaire.
Rivalyn
In for a penny, in for a pound as they say... if the punishment is the same, might as well make it count.
DropDrop
FeloniousMonk13
My snappy motto for us all that i hope will be spread in 2025:
BILLIONAIRES ARE THE ENEMY OF THE WORKING CLASS
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Imalwaysready
By whom? Someone else so that you don’t have to take any risk?
funktasticbeast
JohnSmithterms
Oooh that's a paddling.
DiracsDelta
2too
Tom40
Rich taking advantage of the poor? Tell me it ain’t so Joe. /s
Headcase444
This is what happens when we let the rich dupe us into voting for their politicians.
friendsofsandwiches
The problem is, are we, as persons, willing to DO the things needed to be done, and risk our entire lives and well being, AND our families, to do so? ARE we to that point?
alwaysupvotethegoat
IMHO I’m afraid we may be. 😔
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
1 person is/was. 1 person that we know of so far. I’m sure there have been others.
KillingTlme
Tax cuts for Batman?
LeftRightThere
EternallyIgnorant
When your family member is intentionally and maliciously left to die because of a health insurance's greed, you might feel the answer is yes.
Imalwaysready
Except that literally happens hundreds of times EVERY day and exactly ONE person did anything.
Steffn
Given Trump won the popular vote, people are not even willing to do the simple and easy things.
abcdefg912
Nope!
cosmicbovine
#3 the right literally exists to serve the interests of the rich. That ideology is expressely against the proletariat.
onlyhalfghost
very funny to keep seeing americans who think that it's about reconciling their right wing and fascist parties.
Shadowhawk000095
ChristopherHallett
Oh look, you liberals are catching up to what we leftists have been saying since 2001... Welcome to the party!
CuileannDhu
ValkyrieSwitch
finstad4
Time to eat the rich
NonstopRampage
No. Leave the bodies as a warning
Doubleshiner365
Seemingly tasteless, better used as soil nutrients.
artbabi
Yum yum yum
HEARTS0FSPACE
You aren't going to do shit.
NonstopRampage
Ironically, even doing nothing, he's still more useful to us than you fucks. You're not helping either- infact you're shooting down people who actually DO want to help.
SwiftyGuy
Yeah nobody ever does shit. This one guy does something and most people here and on other social media think there’s gonna be a revolution. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there’s absolutely not. There’s not gonna be an army of civilians OR military that’s gonna go out and off CEOs and the billionaire class. Wish that were the case, but it’s not. And the downvotes on this comment will show how definitely people here are in denial or living in fantasy land.
DietCokeIsMyDrugOfChoice
Idk, all it will take is a bit of organization and rallying. With the right charismatic person and organizing guerilla tactics and this precarious house of cards will topple.
cptwott
You americans better start a fundraiser to get the best fcn lawyer there is. This is not about murder anymore.
2774
Are you just figuring this out *now*????
This isn't new. Shit, in the 80's the Reagan admin was trying to treat cocaine cartels as terrorist organizations.
TonawandaBlue
You should be a happy & compliant worker drone with no ambition for a better life.
beerkrump
The poor aren't poor because the poor are greedy. The poor are poor because the rich are greedy.
MutatedHorse
The only color that matters is green. It's always been class warfare. The elite know this and know if we came together they would be fucked.
LincLoud
ArkoneAxon
This has been known by a lot of us, for a long time now. First they set a precedent by legitimizing the practice of detaining accused terrorists indefinitely, snatching up foreign citizens from countries we've invaded. Then they started going after the alt-right crazies that most people in the U.S. don't actually like, because they knew the MAGA twits wouldn't have many defenders. Now they've done this to an accused murderer. One precedent at a time.
itsallaboutthecones
#3 the only difference is that you realize this but I bet they really don't. Also, they probably support the billionaire class without realizing it.
hellospacemonkey
2024- The US Oligarchs won. They bankrolled Manchin and Sinema to block progress and the oligarchs will use every cheat code to take what they want. Look at Musk's tweets about going after whoever he wants:
DirtRockets
#1 it's a state terrorism charge. Patriot Act was federal legislation and it expired in 2020.
Jesus Christ, people.
TheN8
#2
Ispentfartoolongtryingtocomeupwithausernamebeforejoining
PileOfWalthers
They can try and throw everyone tying a a green ribbon on their car in jail...
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
What do the green ribbons mean? I missed that one.
alwaysupvotethegoat
annonymouse211
Commenting bc I want to know too
EternallyIgnorant
The other person has since replied with the meaning, if you are curious
PileOfWalthers
Just shit I made up just now, based on the green Luigi hat, but also dissidents in east germany did something like that, tied white ribbons to their cars. Signal your dissidence to others while maintaining a high degree of plausible deniability, why officer I just came back from a wedding whatever do you mean.
EternallyIgnorant
https://www.etsy.com/market/luigi_hat
PileOfWalthers
Nice. I tried to get DALL-E to generate me a "like a MAGA hat but it's green and says LUIGI" but it balked at that and didn't even say why.
EternallyIgnorant
Because Luigi is a character owned by one of the most lawsuit happy companies in the world.
SheepySleepySmuggler
My understanding of the Patriot act is that it allows the use of foreign surveillance/intel (ignoring any US laws that may have been broken obtaining it) and allows non-US citizens to detained indefinitely without trial. The application of those laws to US citizens in the US would cause potential issues around constitutional rights and ultimately the validity of the Patriot act. However , IANAL.
MrSnuffleupagus172
The terrorism charge is a state charge under NYS law, it’s not a federal charge so it does not fall under the Patriot act.
jax523
My understanding was that Guantanamo is used (illegally imo) as a place that is exempt from US law, as it is leased foreign territory. I didn't think that had anything to do with terrorism, but rather that they are apprehended outside of the country.
These people are not charged with a crime. Seems a misunderstanding to think a terrorism charge has anything to do with deportation, no matter how ridiculous.
I am also not a lawyer...
SheepySleepySmuggler
Guantanamo was used to hold people detained under the Patriot act and I agree that it is likely to be illegal (definitely illegal under international law - very likely illegal under US law although the supreme court will likely rubber stamp any outcome for non-US nationals) if properly examined. Using the Patriot act to try and upgrade charges against a US citizen on US soil is likely to cause significant issues - and I'm not sure the supreme court would be interesting.
SheepySleepySmuggler
I would go as far to say that in spite of the supreme courts willingness to be brought, that they would struggle to rule its use constitutional. I realise that is supposition, but the Patriot act is built on very unsteady legal ground and largely relied on defendants not being in a position to test it legally.
jax523
AFAIK, the patriot act is not related to detention except in the case of border crossing. Again, my understanding is that Guantanamo has been used to detain people captured outside of the US borders.
Wikipedia maintains a list of those detained at Guantanamo and I would be interested to see which might be related to the Patriot Act or any other domestic act.
jax523
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees
For the record, I maintain that this an illegal and immoral detention, that uses barely clear loopholes to skirt the constitution.
neohippie7319
You're correct that it's unconstitutional to detain U.S. persons indefinitely without trial. It's dense, but the case to read is Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507.
DVSBSTrD
@OP #3 No you don't. Your MAGA neighbors are on the side of the rich.
Crowlands
It's like saying "We shouldn't be fighting German soldiers during World War 2, we should be fighting Nazis!"
alwaysupvotethegoat
A lot of maga is also seeing that they are getting overcharged for medical. This could be uniting beyond parties for some. 🤔
DVSBSTrD
They're the ones who keep voting for it. And they know that.
Crowlands
Yeah, if MAGAts apply even the Slightest degree of reason and logic.
So...
It's never going to happen.
etherbunny41
Believe it or not, most people don't care about which color of asshole is running the show, or at the very least, don't make it their whole personality.
TheMightyMoto
The terrorism charge is bunk. Sure go to jail for murder and all that. But it's bullshit to claim terrorism.
sagejosh0
It’s so a military court can charge him. The military has social healthcare so they wouldn’t relate to the “not covered” issue. It’s so they can have a trial for the media without it being a fair one.
SwiftyGuy
Wait… so he was in the military? What rank, branch?
Gayforbae
The patriot ct allows for terrorists to be tried under weer military tribunal, which is far harsher than civilan courts
PhilipRaven
its was never about him being a terrorist. It is about setting a precedent to be able to mark anyone, they wish to, as a terrorist and just skip all the stupid restrictions like, giving them lawyers, and having a jury and give them law abiding prison sentences. All that can be skipped if you can just mark anyone as a terrorist and just make them disappear.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Pretty sure that’s not accurate
DukeSliscus
No jail. Jury nullification only.
16bitStarbuck
Wasn't it terrorism though? I struggle to see how it wasn't.
LokJok
They don't need the terrorism charge to stick. With simply the charge of terrorism, they can jail him indefinitely without trial. The *Patriot* Act is one of the most undemocratic pieces of legislation ever passed by the US Congress. Shows what happens when the public is motivated by fear...willing to surrender any freedom for the illusion of security.
MrSnuffleupagus172
The terrorism charge is a state charge, not a federal charge. and therefore does not fall under the patriot act.
Idontneedrealfacts
Because if they offered him bail it would be crowdfunded in a second.
anthrdrunkenwannabepoet
you know I brought this up in a comment some time ago and was told that "the patriot act only affects foreign threats, hence guantanomo bay". I just shook my head in disbelief. because the patriot act allows for full supervision of private citizens by the federal government, in order to find "terrorists" citizen or not. so if you think the patriot act can't qualify Luigi as a terrorist, try again
CoinedWatcher
It's been nipped in the bud a bit. Haebus corpus rights got restored a few years after the Patriot Act was passed, and specifically for guantanamo Bay detainees in 2006 with Hamdan v. Rumsfeld.
Qpnao
Thanks W.! /sarcasm
CleverGroom
It's 100% terrorism. It's perfectly in keeping with the origin of the term itself in the Terror of the French Revolution, when terror was deployed by Robespierre and besties as the justice of the masses. The guillotine is THE quintessential weapon of terror.
You're only downvoting me because you LIKE this instance of terrorism and resent the pejorative connotation. Terrorism is terrorism, even if we subjectively think that it's being used against the right people for the right reasons.
jessthepetvet
Yeah I'm confused by the outrage over the terrorist charge when it's the perfect embodiment of the actual definition of terrorism... violent acts intended to intimidate or coerce civilians or influence government policy. Just because you agree with what he's trying to change doesn't make it any less true that it's terrorism.
CleverGroom
Right, I can't even begin to imagine what this was about if NOT terrorism. Y'boi gunned a man down to change the policies and behavior of an entire class of people--it's textbook. It's exactly the same impulse that drove Al Qaeda to 9/11 or Hamas to 10/7: the terrorist(s) punch up, asymmetrically, against soft targets symbolizing systems of oppression.
If anybody's uncomfortable with those comparisons, I sure as fuck hope you aren't upvoting guillotine memes. That's what the guillotine means.
PimpinKen
But it isn't a BS claim. Billionaires are terrified.
conflictmuffins
CityYeti
It's not. It's standard practice considering the manifesto. The 2022 Buffalo shooter also had a manifesto, got charged with terrorism, and they're considering the death penalty for him, too. I think this is an important distinction people often overlook.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Manifesto lol ???? Documenting thoughts… they are called notes, unless you want to make it buzz worthy… then it’s called a manifesto
16bitStarbuck
Words have definitions whether you *feel* like it should or not.
alwaysupvotethegoat
But not for these evil as fuck companies. If a company kills a million people it’s lucrative not murder.
CityYeti
You are completely right. But I'm not wrong either. If you have a manifesto and commit a crime, you'll be slapped with a terrorism charge.
LokJok
I wouldn't call his writings a manifesto. It's more a set of semi-coherernt ramblings of Luigi expressing his frustration. Law enforcement and media are calling it that out of convenience.
16bitStarbuck
A manifesto is a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer. Words have meaning whether you emotional children want them to or not.
CityYeti
Raygereio
I suspect the terrorism charge is an attempt at sticking Mangione with 1st degree murder, instead of 2nd degree murder. They'll likely want to put him away for life without parole.
jdarksun
It's a slam-dunk 2nd degree murder case. Proving 1st degree is gonna take work. Terrorism is a huge fuckin' stretch, but I don't think the terrorism charge is related to sticking him with murder.
Dude has zero chance of parole regardless, he's shown no remorse.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Nor should he.
anthrdrunkenwannabepoet
well 1st degree means you can prove planning and intent, so I don't doubt that charge sticking, it's the terrorist charge that's to me a scare tactic to protect people of wealth who earned praying on people who could not help themselves due to the current system
anthrdrunkenwannabepoet
preying*
CoinedWatcher
New York is weird when it comes to murder. It's only 1st degree if it's a cop/politician or during certain other felonies/terrorist acts. So since he just rode in and shot him with robbing him or anything, it's 2nd degree.
DocWino
It’s because of the way he planned and executed the hit and things said on social media. Most here don’t bother reading anything before replying.
israelarenazis
Do you mean the things he said on social media, or the things we've been saying?
If the former, then what did he say? If the latter, then that's a threat made towards us, the people. Kinda like terrorists do, right?
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
We read it. We just don’t have much sympathy for dead “healthcare” CEO’s.
DocWino
I haven’t much sympathy either, but I’m not putting his murderer on a pedestal and paying his defense either.
RAJrios
I'll pledge for a gofundme.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Why not?
kilithegreat
Sincere questionDo you think that he shouldn't be charged with terrorism because there are significantly worse people who are not or that his actions didn't meet the criteria of terrorism?
The quick google definition of terrorism is: "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
Based on that, his actions were terrorism (at least how I see it). None of that is saying if his actions are good or not.
sleepinggreenidea
His act clearly fits NY state law's specific definition of terrorism, and NY is bringing the charge. I personally think they're politically motivated in doing so, but as long as prosecutors are elected officials like they are here, politics are inevitably going to work their way into their legal decisions.
Grurim
Considering the reasoning for a lot of people who commit mass murder, or even murder a specific person, I think either this doesn't meet the standard, or a LOT of others which we haven't charged terrorism on, do, and I feel the former more applicable.
kilithegreat
Thanks for the explanation! That makes sense to me. I have trouble with picking up on people's reasoning and logic, so I appreciate the insight.
alwaysupvotethegoat
He only terrorized the 3%.
A school shooter terrorizes way more people. Not to mention the difference in vulnerabilities. Possible medical bankruptcy terrorizes more citizens. Jan 6ers and church mass murderers weren’t even charged like that. The company that pushed opioids with the Sacklers for decades just got pardoned by Biden. It’s never been so rigged. The 3% is scared of us for the first time in a long time.
KinetoPlay
School shooters aren't trying to make anything happen. There's no goal. They're not terrorists, they're just awful people doing awful things for no good reason.
kilithegreat
Thanks for the response. I can totally understand the reasoning. In my head, I don't call those actions terrorism due to the fact that it's, for lack of a better word, legal evil. That obviously doesn't absolve them of their actions. That being said, it's also a minor aspect of the conversation in the big picture.
Thanks again for the response
alwaysupvotethegoat
I like your responses. We need to have more conversations where everyone is a winner. All heard and valued. It’s okay to be so opposed it’s laughable. You’re a self educater for life.
kilithegreat
Thanks. I really appreciate that. I get people have to be wary online about others being disingenuous. It's hard to find a balance between gullible and cynical.
Have a great day
digiorno88
If Jan 6, the George Floyd protest response by cops ect weren't charged as terrorism, than Luigi isn't a terrorist either. We can't pick and choose when we call something terrorism. It either all is, or none of it is.
kilithegreat
Thanks for the reply! I can understand that logic. I have some weird hang ups involving language, so I think that caused some of my confusion, but I appreciate your explanation.
SwiftyGuy
I don’t think it’s “hang ups involving language,” but more like “what they do is terrorism, what we do isn’t.”
alwaysupvotethegoat
Yes the cherry picking is a reoccurring issue! How are Trump and Bezos and the Sacklers and so many other soul pirates not behind bars. They should be insider trading their asses for “life insurance” in the pen.
sleepinggreenidea
Can we... NOT glorify prison rape?
sleepinggreenidea
...except your examples are all from different jurisdictions, with different legal definitions of terrorism. So we kinda HAVE to pick & choose what is and isn't terrorism. Mangione's shooting of the parasite absolutely fits NY's definition of terrorism (they're who's leveling it, not Feds - OOP's rambling about Gitmo is nonsense). It likely fits the definition even before the manifesto, but with it, it definitely does. Whether NY can convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt is another story, tho.
digiorno88
It's a federal charge, meaning there is no jurisdiction. They can, and should have, charged all those other people with terrorism. What Luigi did was not terrorism
sleepinggreenidea
It's not a federal charge, it's a state charge. And federal charges absolutely have jurisdictions. And by his own description (or by a reasonable unbiased person's POV), what he did was terrorism - certainly under NY's definition of it (which is the one being applied): it was a violent act (specifically murder) meant to influence a civilian population. That's true whether you approve or disapprove of it. Terrorism is a means, not an end - it can be used for laudable purposes or evil ones.