You'd imagine they would have learned abiut the Streisand effect by now. I guess it's the hubris of feeling exempt if you're rich enough. It may exempt one from following the law, but you can't buy the public you ate exploiting quite so easily.
Hey, you ginger fuck. I dont like talking about politics either, but they're turning KIDS into fucking SKELETONS over in Palestine, you back-bending asshole!
Sheeran has always been a cunt. He stole the riff for one of his songs from a small artist then used his money to win in court. Now he's standing with a pedophile against people that want to stop kids being raped and murdered
Hahaa! This enthusiast of music mediocrity is about to find the fuck out! I’m glad his band and support act have some integrity, but why they supported him in the first place is a mystery. Anyway, good on them
Weird, all those rage bait clowns are oddly vacant from the comments section…
… because Trump taught us at least one thing: know how to apply pressure. we also learned the high road isn’t worth losing everything; doesn’t mean we stoop to lawlessness.
This is capitalist America. We aren’t going to just rise up and outgun the US gov’t/billionaires.
We did, however, make the world’s first trillionaire the world’s first former trillionaire. Now use Mapquest and buy Macklemore tix. It matters.
His own live band (who are ALL Irish and also outspoken about Palestine) also left so now he has no live musicians to even continue with unless he hires completely new people on incredibly short notice. I saw someone mention that they’d contacted Ed’s favorite bar when he visits Ireland and encouraged everyone to do the same. He also turned all the comments off on his Instagram statement as if that would or could stop people from voicing their valid opinions.
He's always been a manchild living in his own fairytale fantasies. I get thats his whole brand, but now its time for him to grow the fuck up in the real world and row a pair.
You can console yourself with the fact that no singer lives forever and that eventually "separate art from artist" will be very much on the table. So theoretically someday you can listen to her music again without guilt.
I never liked her, but its ironic for someone who made their brand on being punk suddenly withers and folds like a lawnchair so easily to her corporate Zionist overlords.
And Sheeran decided to kick out Macklemore to save the money instead of skipping one venue or holding Kraft to his contract. So, still the bad guy in this situation.
The bad guy? No. THE bad guy here is Kraft, the person that initiated the whole thing. Ed Sheeran is more like the "evil triumphs because a meh guy does nothing".
I agree with the assessment of Ed but it was multiple venues. Reportedly Kraft spoke to (pressured?) other owners on the issue. I think it was going to be something like 6 venues. Everyone is losing a lot of money but imo not murdering civilians shouldn't be political anyways. Good on the artists who abandoned the gig, hope they have opportunities elsewhere.
Because he's actually good. You might not like his work - and that's fine - but the truth is that you don't get to that level without being supremely skilled at something. In his case, he can write a prodigious amount of songs that get stuck in people's heads.
Market manipulation heavily sways public perception. You don't have to be good to be popular. The whole meritocracy angle is an utterly false assumption.
Yep, if push came to shove Kraft and his buddies would've let Macklemore perform if the alternative was Sheeran not showing up at all/switching venues. He caved to pressure even though he absolutely had the upper hand.
Of course! All he did was directly call Jews evil and literally write a song titled "Heil Hitler". It's not like he did something *really* offensive, like acknowledging Palestine exists!
He didn't even need to say anything. They could have just showed up at the next venue together and set up. One old man isn't going to show up and go "no"
Was it actually him, though, it was it the promoter who cancelled Macklemore, as Sheeran said in his statement? There's all manner of contracts in place, I'm sure.
Yes, there are even bigger assholes than Sheeran. Assholes such as Pink who tried to astroturf a Macklemore cancelation movement, ended up losing tons of fans too, and is now playing the "I'm a Jew and therefore a victim, and hearing 'free Palestine' scares me" card. But Sheeran is an ass too with his "I'm so apolitical about this, all war is bad mkay, wish they'd all get along, but we can't upset people by taking sides" bullshit.
By trying to stay neutral and offend no one he still made a choice. I don’t know who is currently running his PR but he needs new people. He has a very deep hole to dig himself out of.
Can a person be "neutral" about a genocide? You oppose it, or you do not.
"But I'm not supporting it, either" doesn't mean much. It's like "I saw the guy pull a gun behind the other person, but I didn't want to take a side, so I stayed back and didn't even call out a warning."
There are issues you can be neutral on. And then there are issues where deciding not to choose has the same effect as siding with the malefactors.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to not BE political. If you choose to ignore politics, your political position is that you don’t care what’s going on or what will happen.
So anti brexit and pro Ukraine benefits he played at, those aren't political? (I confess i don't follow him that well, I only read about this when this came up)
Same old shit. What far too many people *adamantly refuse* to believe is that "I'm apolitical, I don't take sides" means you side with the oppressor. Every single time.
Not necessarily. It just means they don't know enough about any of it and have other stuff going on in their lives so they aren't in a place to learn.
I was like that in my early 20s. I said I don't know and don't care and that I was "apolitical". An older co-worker pulled me aside and told me I need to be because if I didn't learn, I was letting them make decisions about me without me.
I decided then to start learning. >20 years, I'm still learning each day.
“Her initial repost—a post from StopAntisemitism that accused Macklemore of spreading "anti‑Israel propaganda" and said Jewish fans were "owed apologies" and refunds”
Sheeran always had a choice and he chose money over supporting his apparent friend. Sheeran may not have had direct say in the promoter denying Macklemore from performing at their venue but he sure as shit had the choice to also not perform there if they didn't allow Macklemore. The promoter would have backed right down if that happened. He fucked up and took a huge hit to his reputation and a lot of people now hate him for it.
Macklempre himself said that he had talks with Sheeran where he said he wanted to stay neutral. And as macklemore pointed out, neutrality in a genocide is in fact, support for the genocide.
Even if that were true, Sheeran did not defend his supposed friend of 13 years or make any statement denouncing the promoter for doing this. His statement was "Well both sides are being shitty right now, but if Macklemore has to not show up to my shows, then I guess it is what it is."
Man's is a coward who can't stand up for his friends, and would rather both sides a genocide in a desperate attempt to remain "apolitical."
Bollocks! He has more than enough power to go "tough shit, no more tour", he would take a big hit I'm sure, but the promoter would take a bigger one, and he'd come out of it with his reputation improved, instead he has ruined it and tanked his tour anyway.
He's stayed silent when they came for Macklemore. No backbone, no support. He was the big card and had a responsibility for his fellow artists. He failed and probably ended his career.
Given that the audience were pretty much universally behind Macklemore at the gig I think there will be a sizeable portion of fans who will now ditch Ed.
Sure, he will lose some fans, and that's well deserved. But ruin his career? He's already made his career. A lot of people will never even hear about this and his songs will still be played everywhere. On this Loop tour he is apparently the lead act and he's doing some kind of solo thing with a machine basically. He's just going to continue the tour, likely add some other bands that will be standing in line to sign up.
OperatorWay
Those with substantial influence who are unwilling to use it for good are unworthy of it.
Gorglax9
drizztx
The proper response from this point on is just "Ed who?"
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
The entire tour is now Sheeran a capella or unplugged. Way to go and shoot himself in the feet.
Monster0Grendel
" I don't want to play Sun City!"
HarbingerOfThis
You'd imagine they would have learned abiut the Streisand effect by now. I guess it's the hubris of feeling exempt if you're rich enough. It may exempt one from following the law, but you can't buy the public you ate exploiting quite so easily.
ElbowDeepInSaintCelestine
Hey, you ginger fuck. I dont like talking about politics either, but they're turning KIDS into fucking SKELETONS over in Palestine, you back-bending asshole!
whatsthisbuttondonow1
Sheeran has always been a cunt. He stole the riff for one of his songs from a small artist then used his money to win in court. Now he's standing with a pedophile against people that want to stop kids being raped and murdered
Clayman8
So we both get to support Palestine AND not have to hear Ed Sheeran? What a dream.
I0VE525P00GE
Hahaa! This enthusiast of music mediocrity is about to find the fuck out! I’m glad his band and support act have some integrity, but why they supported him in the first place is a mystery. Anyway, good on them
WellGoodLuckWithThat
Weird, all those rage bait clowns are oddly vacant from the comments section…
… because Trump taught us at least one thing: know how to apply pressure. we also learned the high road isn’t worth losing everything; doesn’t mean we stoop to lawlessness.
This is capitalist America. We aren’t going to just rise up and outgun the US gov’t/billionaires.
We did, however, make the world’s first trillionaire the world’s first former trillionaire. Now use Mapquest and buy Macklemore tix. It matters.
DOcelot1
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MG1uNWZscGk5bWd1b2tnemg2NjBrZnQ2bXBhejZ6YnRweDlwZXdodCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB/200w.webp
Osiricus
Fox News hosts are saying Macklemore should shut up because they are still grieving for Dolly, a woman that was against everything they stand for.
0xBADA55
rdewalt
Ed Sheeran looks like a Cuck Chair prayed to become a real-live boy.
beaubrent
Silence is complicity when genocide is the subject.
Snooj
They should all get together, call Mackelmore, and set up their own tour. The "Everyone Except Ed Sheeran Experience".
ShadeMeadowsArt
RESPECT
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
All the money in the world and these "no siders" cant afford a spine. Ironic a singer who can sing for millions is suddenly silent for some reason.
Sebastopol140
Oh no.
Metalsmith21
Anyway...
Jelhammer
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NjJveWF5eHNqYXBnYTZ5ZWh2bWJzNTlqZ244NjVyZzh3bGJ4aThwaSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/6WJroWFPN2LyE/200w.webp
Pilgrymm
SursieMetzger
His own live band (who are ALL Irish and also outspoken about Palestine) also left so now he has no live musicians to even continue with unless he hires completely new people on incredibly short notice. I saw someone mention that they’d contacted Ed’s favorite bar when he visits Ireland and encouraged everyone to do the same. He also turned all the comments off on his Instagram statement as if that would or could stop people from voicing their valid opinions.
WhiskyTraveler
Grow some balls Ed
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
He's always been a manchild living in his own fairytale fantasies. I get thats his whole brand, but now its time for him to grow the fuck up in the real world and row a pair.
blah1blah1blah1
Silence is complicity.
Saying “I’m not choosing a side” is choosing a side.
Macklemore never made this about Jews. He said this was all about Palestine and Israel.
Shame on them all for being complicit in their genocide
zeacorzeppelin10
The singer pink shot her mouth off and supported him being dropped, pity, I liked her music.
Alvatore
You can console yourself with the fact that no singer lives forever and that eventually "separate art from artist" will be very much on the table. So theoretically someday you can listen to her music again without guilt.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
I never liked her, but its ironic for someone who made their brand on being punk suddenly withers and folds like a lawnchair so easily to her corporate Zionist overlords.
vintagebroad
This might be a big ditch to climb out of if he ever does
lozeldatkm
Huh... TIL there's an Irish singer who shares a name with my cousin
metcar
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/macklemore-says-robert-kraft-had-052504052.html according to Macklemore himself he was kicked off the tour at the demand of billionaire and New England Patriot's owner Robert Kraft whose stadium was one of the concert stops, Kraft threatened to pull the booking unless Macklemore was kicked from the tour.
SubtleOrc
and yet I'm sure no one will bother cancelling that billionaire fuck

newsguycraigevans
Remember when Kraft was arrested leaving a rub and tug and then got all charges dismissed?
AnonKneeMoose
He’s also on the files and is described by Netanyahu as “Israel’s greatest ally”
Snooj
And Sheeran decided to kick out Macklemore to save the money instead of skipping one venue or holding Kraft to his contract. So, still the bad guy in this situation.
pixelsnader
The bad guy? No. THE bad guy here is Kraft, the person that initiated the whole thing. Ed Sheeran is more like the "evil triumphs because a meh guy does nothing".
leonaNoodleBreaker
I agree with the assessment of Ed but it was multiple venues. Reportedly Kraft spoke to (pressured?) other owners on the issue. I think it was going to be something like 6 venues. Everyone is losing a lot of money but imo not murdering civilians shouldn't be political anyways. Good on the artists who abandoned the gig, hope they have opportunities elsewhere.
spangolio
how the fuck does does this mediocre plastic turd have even 100 fans in the first place
Grinch01
Did he saw his early days ? Tbh he improved so much and make good Musik in my opinion but he should stfu about politics
spangolio
you should stfu about everything
Grinch01
So you think every artist should take a political side about every topic i cant see how that could backfire....
spangolio
yes, that's obviously what i said. no it isn't. STFU
HappyTimeHollis
Because he's actually good. You might not like his work - and that's fine - but the truth is that you don't get to that level without being supremely skilled at something. In his case, he can write a prodigious amount of songs that get stuck in people's heads.
Purrmageddon
He's good? Lol he's like the dollar store of music.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Market manipulation heavily sways public perception. You don't have to be good to be popular. The whole meritocracy angle is an utterly false assumption.
SubtleOrc
there's nothing of value in any of it. I'm not saying he's not popular, but the music isn't important.
spangolio
then he can write jingles for ads, not shit in my ear in the grocery store
Sorrontis
hahaha. all he had to do is say that he was cancelling some venues because they were trying to censor Macklmore. but he bowed
YouRadicalizedMe
Well cheers to that. Lads.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
he sucked that boot hard fr
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
And those venues would not have cancelled, there is far too much money at play. It was just rich white guys crying but they could have been ignored.
Gerokeymaster
Yep, if push came to shove Kraft and his buddies would've let Macklemore perform if the alternative was Sheeran not showing up at all/switching venues. He caved to pressure even though he absolutely had the upper hand.
TheMindEntropic
"No anti-semitism. Kanye can play tho"
Gerokeymaster
Of course! All he did was directly call Jews evil and literally write a song titled "Heil Hitler". It's not like he did something *really* offensive, like acknowledging Palestine exists!
bakerguy1337
The song is called N**** Heil Hitler.
HandoB4Javert
ActuallyAPirate
He didn't even need to say anything. They could have just showed up at the next venue together and set up. One old man isn't going to show up and go "no"
Heavenissize17socks
You -don't bow to tyrants- not once not ever.
HandoB4Javert
CaldariBob
Hey, I remember that...
Rogerwilco1974
Was it actually him, though, it was it the promoter who cancelled Macklemore, as Sheeran said in his statement? There's all manner of contracts in place, I'm sure.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Yes, there are even bigger assholes than Sheeran. Assholes such as Pink who tried to astroturf a Macklemore cancelation movement, ended up losing tons of fans too, and is now playing the "I'm a Jew and therefore a victim, and hearing 'free Palestine' scares me" card. But Sheeran is an ass too with his "I'm so apolitical about this, all war is bad mkay, wish they'd all get along, but we can't upset people by taking sides" bullshit.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Fuck Pink. Free Palestine.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Sheeran still “both sides’d” the Israel Palestine “conflict” in his IG post explaining it
Rogerwilco1974
Yeah I've read about how he "doesn't want to get drawn into a discussion", which is not going to end well for him.
azgrak1
By trying to stay neutral and offend no one he still made a choice. I don’t know who is currently running his PR but he needs new people. He has a very deep hole to dig himself out of.
chewmaca2
He still had the option to tell them to f off.
IHateYouMyselfAndEveryone
Not at all, no. Ed Sheeran made the choice to not stand up to his benefactors. He chose money over speaking out against genocide. Fuck him.
DukeDarkwood
Can a person be "neutral" about a genocide? You oppose it, or you do not.
"But I'm not supporting it, either" doesn't mean much. It's like "I saw the guy pull a gun behind the other person, but I didn't want to take a side, so I stayed back and didn't even call out a warning."
There are issues you can be neutral on. And then there are issues where deciding not to choose has the same effect as siding with the malefactors.
jimicus
Of course you can’t. Ed is a damn idiot if he thinks otherwise.
IgnatiusTheSaint
ok, so fuck him and Pink. got it. they don't want to get political but they are ok with dead Palestinian kids
tarzannie
Wasn’t pinks entire image about being a punk and standing against corporate goons? Funny how she only sings it but can’t say it or live it
johnblood616
She just dressed "punk."
demosteness
It is IMPOSSIBLE to not BE political. If you choose to ignore politics, your political position is that you don’t care what’s going on or what will happen.
herrherr
Those dead kids should've just, like, decided not to make their deaths political, right?
Zunderfeuer
If you have that much of a media influence on so many people, you are by nature influencing politics and society and have a responsibility I think
emu314159127001
So anti brexit and pro Ukraine benefits he played at, those aren't political? (I confess i don't follow him that well, I only read about this when this came up)
Daliena06
Same old shit. What far too many people *adamantly refuse* to believe is that "I'm apolitical, I don't take sides" means you side with the oppressor. Every single time.
Lillyily
Especially celebrities that many people would listen to. Far too many of them remain silent politically and just hope no one notices.
ChiLLeCheeze
MLK might have been on to something about the moderate white person.
IPoisonedDorcasMutton
At this point I just assume "I'm apolitical" means "I agree with the fascists but I'm too embarrassed to own that I'm a piece of shit"
0xBADA55
jenoween
Not necessarily. It just means they don't know enough about any of it and have other stuff going on in their lives so they aren't in a place to learn.
I was like that in my early 20s. I said I don't know and don't care and that I was "apolitical". An older co-worker pulled me aside and told me I need to be because if I didn't learn, I was letting them make decisions about me without me.
I decided then to start learning. >20 years, I'm still learning each day.
calebIsOnFire
How much do you have to know to have to know to speak out against genocide?
NothingPrince
Yep I thought Pink was punk but she's just shit
Chionati
I keep waiting for her to update her Dear Mister President Song..
Rogerwilco1974
What's Pink done? I've clearly missed something.
HooahDO
“Her initial repost—a post from StopAntisemitism that accused Macklemore of spreading "anti‑Israel propaganda" and said Jewish fans were "owed apologies" and refunds”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/know-pinks-statement-opposing-macklemore-202152710.html
SavageDrums
Anti-israel propaganda, aka: facts about what Israel is doing.
Pentjotal
She had a stadium tour a couple of years ago, women really like her.
Rogerwilco1974
I like what you did, there. I've actually seen her live, as a support act many moons ago. TBF she put on a bloody good show.
presentingmedia
She made a social media post criticizing Macklemore's comments on Palestine
YouRadicalizedMe
Awwwww. Fuck. I liked that one
Ahhh welp
NothingPrince
We all did we also liked Ed
Capitalmygoodsir
Latest news is that it wasn't sheeran it was the promoter. Sheeran couldn't stop them, macklemore contracted with them not sheeran
StellarJay77
Sheeran always had a choice and he chose money over supporting his apparent friend. Sheeran may not have had direct say in the promoter denying Macklemore from performing at their venue but he sure as shit had the choice to also not perform there if they didn't allow Macklemore. The promoter would have backed right down if that happened. He fucked up and took a huge hit to his reputation and a lot of people now hate him for it.
BeardedViking
He was told that he wouldn't be allowed to perform at these specific venues if Macklemore was a part of it. So he chose money.
PorneliusHubertII
Macklempre himself said that he had talks with Sheeran where he said he wanted to stay neutral. And as macklemore pointed out, neutrality in a genocide is in fact, support for the genocide.
NinjablazerZero
Even if that were true, Sheeran did not defend his supposed friend of 13 years or make any statement denouncing the promoter for doing this. His statement was "Well both sides are being shitty right now, but if Macklemore has to not show up to my shows, then I guess it is what it is."
Man's is a coward who can't stand up for his friends, and would rather both sides a genocide in a desperate attempt to remain "apolitical."
VinnieJonesDiary
Bollocks! He has more than enough power to go "tough shit, no more tour", he would take a big hit I'm sure, but the promoter would take a bigger one, and he'd come out of it with his reputation improved, instead he has ruined it and tanked his tour anyway.
ElimTevir
He's stayed silent when they came for Macklemore. No backbone, no support. He was the big card and had a responsibility for his fellow artists. He failed and probably ended his career.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Good. Fuck him.
Styxwash
Ended his career is a bit much. The masses won't care.
VinnieJonesDiary
Given that the audience were pretty much universally behind Macklemore at the gig I think there will be a sizeable portion of fans who will now ditch Ed.
Styxwash
Sure, he will lose some fans, and that's well deserved. But ruin his career? He's already made his career. A lot of people will never even hear about this and his songs will still be played everywhere. On this Loop tour he is apparently the lead act and he's doing some kind of solo thing with a machine basically. He's just going to continue the tour, likely add some other bands that will be standing in line to sign up.