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https://www.dcreport.org/2022/03/14/conservatives-say-california-is-a-disaster-but-facts-show-the-opposite/
Diewithasmile
I live in California. It’s great, if you have money. Highest gas tax in the country, extremely high rent, crazy traffic. It sucks.
MetaVulture
I lived California from 89 to 99. It was my childhood to early teenage years. It was dope as fuck. I loved it there. I miss it every day.
Gryphonosiris
Conservatives see California as a testament to everything they hate: lgbtq, gun control, diversity, education, environmental laws, 1/
Gryphonosiris
Conservation, fuel economy, women's rights, ect.
rambot
Why be homeless in cold (weather) Conservative states when you can be homeless in sunny california? In alberta they go to BC. I get it....
RottedOnion
Now if only I could afford to live there...
QuickINeedAName
I'd try to live there, if only it werent an inferno 90% of the year.
blainetog
It's really, really not. SoCal can be pretty warm year-round during the day, but nights are still cool and places in NorCal do get snow,
Zadwanaa
Wow, exaggerate much? Its only 85%!
CaptainBlacklung
San Diego is the most beautiful city in the world IMO. I currently live in GA, and hate it here. I want to go home.
TravisTee34
Every time I see the California flag, I always feel like it’s wrong that it doesn’t have two heads...
blainetog
CraftyGiant
Did you know it was supposed to be a pear, but there was a typo, then people just liked the initial sample flag way more?
qyrriqat
You've been trolled: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bearing-the-flag/
idownvoteplottwist
"a bear? fuck yeah, that's badass"
Scaramucci
"Conservatives say X, but facts show the opposite". Enter surprised Pikachu face.
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
Tomadzo
Sure. Conservatives from states with the worst education, health, quality of life rankings. It’s like Sudan making fun of Sweden.
kopeezie
I live in California, it is a disaster. Not enough comment characters to say all of the many ways.
PinkEater
Don't bring facts to a fuck you fight. - Liberal Redneck. (Trae Crowder on YouTube)
GadenKerensky
I think most people hate on California for being 'too woke' with its laws or having overly restrictive gun laws. I can recall quite a few >
GadenKerensky
mentions of people supposedly moving out of California because they 'didn't like it' and end up trying to make the place they move to like >
GadenKerensky
California, and I'm always a little skeptical of these statements. Dumb laws are better than whatever the fuck Texas is doing.
dsmegst
Kalifonia, where I can't own the exact guns I want! Oh, and scary brown people live in the southern parts. ?
BarfMonger
Most of the people moving the Phoenix area are coming from the Midwest and then complain about all the brown people.
monkaypants
Mfw Texas is more diverse...
Canotbelieveit
I moved in my teens from LA to McKinney TX. their is not much diversity to what I’m used too…different environment.
sparkyibew100
The White/Hispanic percentages are about the same but California has more people from a lot more parts of the world so it is more diverse
Canotbelieveit
Most people from the south and mid west tend to feel uncomfortable here in LA. Not used to seeing a-lot diversity and not getting there way.
HannibalLectersCatMittens
I miss my home city (LA). My family used to attend a lot of house parties where shit gets wild. Worth it tho, because the food was on point.
shyasen
This. This right here. Also, *their.
Canotbelieveit
Thank you.
TheSarcasticHulk
I'm from MN and I have legit never heard anything even close to that from ANYONE I know thats visited. I'd go as far as saying that's BS
TheSarcasticHulk
Most people from the midwest are uncomfortable with the density of the population if anything
FrijolesTheGreat
Very much this! We are heavy with diversity and people do look uncomfortable at times. (I’m born and raised here)
Problemwoodchuck
But if I can't roll coal whilst firing an AR15 with a drum magazine into the air in the middle of San Fransisco, is it really freedom?
LusciousLucius
I know this is gonna sound stereotypical, but the problems with homelessness and high housing prices in CA aren't due to progressives in 1/?
LusciousLucius
General, but rather due to boomer progressives. They created city counsels that block new housing in order to maintain the small-town 2/?
GuitarBobMonterey
Yeah, I don't want my town paved over like North San Diego. But the whole state is in a drought anyway: hardly water for new developments.
LusciousLucius
Hey, if your take is "maintaining the feel of my town is worth the suffering of homeless and young people" then go for it, my dude. Like 1/?
LusciousLucius
I said, I don't live there anymore. I've got no more skin in the game. And gotta say, the drought excuse feels like a copout. This has 2/?
LusciousLucius
Been the state of things since long before the drought became this extreme. And the new developments are gonna happen anyway- just in 3/?
LusciousLucius
Feel of their neighborhoods and beach towns. They instituted rent controls 30-40 years ago, so their 3 bedroom apartments in Santa 3/?
LusciousLucius
Monica cost $900 a month now. New renters pay the difference, and can't get a studio apt in the same area for less than $1800. It's a 4/5
LusciousLucius
Generational issue, not a progressive/conservative one. Source: Grew up in CA. Had to move away for better opportunities, unfortunately. 5/5
DontDoWhatDonaldDontDoes
Pfff... what have facts ever proven?
Felextheminimal
That biases are more powerful
Mybzor
Show me your proof so I can ignore it!
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Yeah, but, if you get rid of the anti-California strawman, how else will they deflect from how they made most of the country a shithole?
CoarseAndSalty
I live outside of Seattle, our city is burning down and caravans of commercial leasers are fleeing the city and homeless are taking over. /s
djangojazz
Conservatives are morons and it's been prove over the last 4 decades. California is a failed state, BS. Trickle down works, BS. Companies>
elvisman4life8
How old are you and what do you do for a living?!
djangojazz
need to not pay more to keep costs low, BS they go up regardless. Everything is the president's fault, except when he is on their side.
Attaroo
1st in the US in Tech, Media, but also Agriculture and Diary. More Top 25 Universities than any nation in the world except the US and UK.
gkgr8dyna32000
CA is operating with a 64 billion Surplus at the moment …
Dragon10449
California is a success in the same way that the stock market is a reflection of how strong your economy is. Yeah they have a very high GDP
Dragon10449
But they have some seriously massive problems like the rampant homelessness, insanely high cost of living, gang violence, and a laughable
Dragon10449
Revolving door police system that allows violent offenders to be released without even needing bail. They have a serious problem of passing
Dragon10449
Laws that on the surface seem like they'd be good ideas, but they either never go far enough to do any good or half-ass it and just end up
Dragon10449
Wasting tons of money. Theres a reason there are so many people leaving and moving to places like Austin because the problems have just
Dragon10449
Gotten out of hand. What they fail to realize is a lot of those problems stem from their failed laws (again, many were good in concept but
Orcus424
California is having a huge exodus of their population. Places that are doing well don't have huge droves of people leaving.
Cabreza
They know California is successful which is why they spend so much time painting it as a dystopia, lest its policies get adopted nationally.
Diewithasmile
California is a shit show unless you’re rich or come from money.
Ulferor
California is successful for private companies and politicians. Any one making under $100k is suffering or homeless. I live here. It sucks.
DrSanchezChristianAbortionClinic
The country ALWAYS goes the way of California.... Even with a fascist President we eroded the 2nd amendment..... Winning
IHaveABigTruckBecauseMyCockIsTiny
I was a Californian for over 30 years. It is a disaster, but certainly not in the way they spin it...
IMTHEONEWHOSTOLEALLOFTHECOOKIESFROMTHECOOKIEJAR
Shit’s on fire yo
BarryTheCyborg
Yeah, the cities are monuments to man's arrogance when it comes to community planning and resource management. Also, shits on fire
BradBehavior
And shaking
CoqRoq
I'd take a occasional floor shimmy over THE SKY COMING DOWN AND THROWING YOUR HOUSE 6 COUNTIES OVER SEASON any day of the week.
SoundFuture
Same with TX to be perfectly honest.
Etherealvalentine
TX is not successful
SoundFuture
Which is apart of the smear. It's highly successful and perpetually irritating because of how backwards it is.
Etherealvalentine
Maybe we are defining "success" differently. I'm thinking of the infrastructure, health of the people & animals, etc.
SoundFuture
Yes, if you change the definition of success the results vary. I would certainly define success differently.
SoundFuture
TXs infrastructure is in better repair than CA, but CA has better public transportation. The result depends on how you ask the question.
NatBeAt
Dunno all the people leaving cali fucking rent prices wherever they go. I had to leave a state I called home for 15 yrs because of it
snixsys
Nobody goes there anymore.. it's too crowded.
slinkydust
Correlation does not equal causation
rshewmaker6
Minus the whole cost of living and drought thing
arhalts
Drought thing is a big ding, but high cost.of.living because people want to live there. If heaven popped into existence opened it's gates an
arhalts
Let people develop it it's cost of living would also be insane, because people with money would want to live there and displace those who
arhalts
Did not have money. ( No cali is not heaven I know.) But without market regulation the very best places will always be the most expensive.
Cryolith
Simce when have conservatives ever bothered with facts? Their entire ideology is beliefs>reality.
thereitis101
Jon Stewart said it best. GOP is what they feel like. Emotions. Dems work on logic but sometimes get stuck there.
cheesedogs
They'll cherry pick facts that are negative, those facts they like
parkerh17
And then claim some bullshit justification from that fact and act like liberals hate facts. "Liberals say we gotta stop deforestation. 1/
parkerh17
What liberals fail to acknowledge is trees are green. That is a fact, but liberals don't care abt that. What else is green? Money. 2/
parkerh17
Trees are literally made to be cut down to produce capital but liberals don't care abt reality." -Ben Shabibo probably 3/3
cheesedogs
Lol
monkaypants
Your own citizens can't afford your policies and are being priced out to conservative states by the droves... whos reality is skewed here?
CommodusLeitdorf
And Yeehawdi states are so cheap because no one wants to live in their Conservative dystopian Hellscape. Funny how Capitalism works.
Cryolith
TIL predatory real estate investing is the same as state govt.
Jatenffxiv
Weird how popular places to live are more expensive... what's that called again? Free Market...? Capitalism? Nah! Must be socialism.
mjperk
You, apparently.
elvisman4life8
Wtf are you talking about !? Liberal policies destroy everything that comes in their reach.. People leaving in droves!! SAME with N.Y.
Cryolith
PurityOfEssence
Have you considered some people never wanted to live in big cities but had to for work? Then a 'hoax' pandemic occurred causing remote work
PurityOfEssence
to be a 'thing' and now people realize they can live somewhere else with no commute? Has nothing to do with liberal policies. Why the fuck
PurityOfEssence
would any sane person want to live in an area with racist, science denying fucking morons with 'conservative' policies, which by the way
PurityOfEssence
only seemed to be based on thinly veiled religious bullshit and over sensitive fucktards who deny reality? I'll tell you, cause commuting
pudaheh
Way to prove the point. It would have taken you ten seconds of Googling to find out why CA's growth has slowed (not reversed).
Diewithasmile
You’re right, but you’re not against conservatives so you get down voted. this is the problem. People can’t think on their own.
Kountdown
My guy you're agreeing with a bot.
burpmortyburp
“Liberal policies destroy everything” … You’re delusional. That’s why you both get downvoted.
Cryolith
"The entirety of established science, verifiable fact, and objective reality runs counter to my paradigm. Damn Liberals". - ???
Felextheminimal
But their Demigod was the one that banned open carry in the state?
CraftyGiant
CWP is easy to get tho.
turbodog
Yeah but, it was only because Black people started arming themselves, you see. Reagan could not allow that!
Felextheminimal
How dare they!
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
never been there but apparently they're pumping water much faster than the phreatic layer refill capabilities... shit will hit the fan m8
tacoaboutit
limits are coming https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1019483661/without-enough-water-to-go-around-farmers-in-california-are-exhausting-aquifers
GFYandyourstupidrequirements
True, but also true for almost every populated region on this rock
varesya
This is true of quite a number of states, not just California.
TheFastpaws
Maybe they should stop letting Nestle and others at it.
FairfaxJack
Wiping out aquifers is happening everywhere, not just CA. Also, kudos for using "phreatic" in a social media post ya dang nerd!
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
cbmech7
California is no dystopia, but we are far from perfect. The homeless situation here is out of control.
Diewithasmile
This is the best comment so far.
RufusPimperton
Everywhere is far from perfect. California's problems don't negate her success on all metrics people use to measure economic success.
slinkydust
Rent, mortgage, and inflation is out of control. This area is 100% "fuck you, I got mine"
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
House prices are sky-high everywhere and *way* more people want a house in Los Angeles than a house in Tuscaloosa .
TaviRus
Power company needs work also. Just shutting down cables because you can't ensure they don't fall isn't good.
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
Lots of homeless people I talked to said it's because they don't have to worry about freezingnto death at night. And lots of places to move
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
To so nonone community gets angry at them. It's easy to move around and there's lots of resources
LampLighterN7
Absolutely, but we're trying. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-lawmakers-are-creeping-toward-some-17007626.php
drdildamesh
The real estate situation and the fact that our public mental facilities were closed is the problem. Homelessness is a byproduct of apathy.
puffyjacket69
Apathy toward mental illness especially. Nailed it.
pudaheh
Homelessness is out of control everywhere. It's not (only) a California problem.
varesya
Probably doesn't help that many other states' solution to homelessness is to give them a bus ticket to California.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
"The 2019 report found 70 percent had lived in the city (San Fran) ; 22 percent in another California county and 8 percent out-of-state."
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/14/gavin-newsom/gavin-newsoms-ridiculous-claim-texas-responsible-s/
GFYandyourstupidrequirements
Source?
BeardOnTheInside
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study
BeardOnTheInside
Although that one was moving him in the OPPOSITE direction.
BeardOnTheInside
The point is, US cities trade homeless people like trash pokemon cards.
delecti
Google "homeless bus california" sans quotes. There are lots of results from Vice, The Guardian, NYT, NPR, etc. It's pretty well documented.
GFYandyourstupidrequirements
I did google it. Seems CA does some shipping out as well. Complicated situation.
GFYandyourstupidrequirements
Weird. You’re downvoting even though it’s true based on some of the sources I was told to look at.
burpmortyburp
I saw it on South Park once
CamelEnamel
And just like that, the song is stuck in my head
BewareTheIceSpiders
The fact is that statistically, both Liberals and Conservatives have been fleeing California.
LampLighterN7
If this is true, why isn't that proof that propaganda works rather than people can parse information accurately?
BewareTheIceSpiders
I guess if they had been misled the people would come back, and the Californian exodus would have been short-lived instead of ongoing.
LampLighterN7
Why would they do that? That would mean having to admit they were wrong, but without seeking out better sources. How long is the exodus?
Diionysus
150,000 people left in 2 years yea cost of livings a bitch but I've tried other climates and would never want to live in humid/fridged
CommodusLeitdorf
Not Fleeing. Seeding Conservative states to flip them Blue too.
Cryolith
If only.
TheHourGrowsLate
The actual facts are that this is completely untrue.
BewareTheIceSpiders
https://www.capolicylab.org/pandemic-patterns-california-is-seeing-fewer-entrances-and-more-exits-updated/
TheHourGrowsLate
The increase in exits is negligible. Significantly fewer people have been moving to California though, that is true, but not what you said.
BewareTheIceSpiders
The increase in exits is negligible because California had a net domestic emigration for along time already.
HiddenSanity
Isn't their population growing?
BewareTheIceSpiders
They have a strong domestic net emigration that is compensated by international immigration (who statistically will likely move later on)
HiddenSanity
So which political alignment are those coming in that allows it to be a net 'flee' amount?