So, MTG, you are saying they can subvert the creation of the god you claim to beliive in? That they are more powerful than that god in that respect? What do your evangelical supporters think of your assessment that their god is so weak?
So is she trying to say that Trump is responsible for every major weather event during his presidency? Why bother altering the course of a hurricane with sharpie if he could do it for real?
She is technically correct. Cloud Seeding is a real weather modification method that's been used since at least the 1950s to reduce storm intensity, suppress hail production, steer hurricanes, and create rain in drought-prone areas. When people make statements like this, you have to ask the question "what do you mean by that?" because it really depends on what level of "control" they're talking about.
Man, you know for a fact that if it was predominately left-leaning people who lived in southern states effected by this sort of weather...they'd be crowing about how it was "God's Judgement!!!!"
But since it's not, it is of course (((Their))) fault when bad things happen.
There's a lot of overlap between tornado alley and the bible belt. And the more conservatives obstruct attempts to combat climate change, the greater the overlap becomes.
14 years ago in The Guardian: Extremism is pretty much the same wherever you find it. It is always accompanied by cognitive dissonance and an extreme void of critical thinking.
Isn't that what they say anytime weather hits the coasts? San Francisco deserves the earthquakes because of how woke it is, and such? But a hurricane wipes half of Florida off the map, or Texas freezes with a broken power grid, and suddenly it's all about unity and coming together and helping each other. Defund FEMA, but give us a few million dollars because we accidentally the whole weather.
Well being down in that area, people still say it was Gawds judgement. They believe they are suffering BECAUSE of the "libs" which make them crazier and more dedicated to getting rid of them.
I have been thinking about this. Trump gets elected, God sends a plague. Trump runs for prez, God has already sent TWO guys to try to kill him. Republicans try to get rid of catastrophe aid, God sends hurricane. I don't know if this whole "God" matter is legit, but if it is, maybe they should get a hint…
Remember: the lies aren't meant for you. They're obvious, checkable, and ridiculous to reinforce their followers' cult mentality. In them, the notion of truth or facts is destroyed, their entire reality overtaken by factionalism. They'll believe it, support it, and praise her not because they logically agree with the statement, but because she is on the Right Side. Similarly,no amount of facts, data, or logic we bring matter, simply because we're on the Wrong Side. In a word: brainwashing.
Calling them out is always worth it, though. You'll never convince someone whose already accepted it as fact, but anybody who isn't totally sure for any reason will only be more likely to fall for it if they don't see anyone disputing it. It's why right-wing forums aggressively ban people who point out the falsehoods, because they're disrupting the brainwashing mechanism.
It's not about what's true. It's about making it impossible to tell what is and isn't true, at which point either everything is or nothing is, there's no way to know.
I managed to talk someone round about this one using hurricane tracking maps and logic. They just assumed hurricanes had to come from the sea in their own state not via another state.
It also normalizes extreme views that are slightly less insane than that. Take trump saying they are eating the cats and dogs. It moves the overton window because now any republican can say something slightly less crazy than that and even dems will say "well at least they didnt say they are eating the cats and dogs".
Oh is this in fact more easily explained by ignorance considering how many congresspeople on the right are willing to parrot these lies? Are we really giving her the gigantic benefit of the doubt here? Why are we being so generous to MTG?
What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: who is to blame?
I haven't met her, but I assume she's not stupid, she's a paid actor to distract from the GOP stealing money from everyone to give to the super rich. That's all it is.
Genuine question: What about blowing away clouds (if I remember correctly the Chinese did something like that) and spraying silver iodide to make it rain? After all, this is a very popular method not related to foil theories and at the same time controlling the weather.
There are things like cloud seeding and hail canons and such, but the jury is still out on whether they even have a significant effect. Even if they do in fact work, it's not very reliable or dramatic, I'd hardly call that "control," rather than influence. Control implies a rather direct and strong impact on something. Cloud seeding has been done for over 80 years and there still isn't fully convincing evidence that it even works. So that's a bit short of "control." There's been ideas for
disrupting hurricanes for decades, but there hasn't been any evidence that anyone has succeeded, and the theory behind them is often under dispute anyway. We have done things like global warming which screws up the whole planetary climate, but there's no control to that.
Yes, weather control can and has been done to some extent. However it takes a lot of effort for a relatively small and temporary effect, and it's also pretty obvious that you're doing it so it's not something you can hide. Actually, a giant space laser (or more realistically a giant focusing mirror) would indeed be quite capable of influencing weather, among other things. However, it would also be *super* fucking obvious that it was up there.
Cloud-seeding. It supposedly works, and there is "weather control" but the "weather control" isn't "control" so much as "we can make it rain whole lots." Which... isn't what's happening, of course, but it DOES exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye as a warfare example
IIRC cloud seeding takes water from the cloud portion of the water cycle early. It does not make new clouds form. Assuming you have enough clouds: If you seed all clouds that pass through 1 region to make a rainforest then you would just have a desert where the clouds WOULD have gone later. Our geography and the location of our growing climates is based on natural rainfall, natural rainfall is sometimes based on the plants as well. 1/?
Basically: clouds are both affected by and also cause vegetation and geography. Cloud seeding is harder than digging an entire river for irrigation. (based on my understanding and youtube documentary watching) 2/2
Even if cloud seeding was reliable (probably not), we can't make clouds or chase them off and we certainly can't create storms or target them. Attempts made have been dubious at best.
She also posted earlier on the same day about how hurricanes mostly affect Republican counties and may affect the election and got a bunch of flak for that too. In context, it can be argued she is saying the hurricanes are made on purpose to make Republicans lose influence.
I didn't know that but firmly believe it. I would have paid a lot to see her "restaurant" on Kitchen Nightmares. Ramsay would have turn her head completely off
LewdSomnambulist
So climate change is real and we can control it. Glad we're in agreement
ShaNayNayThe2nd
AyatollahBahloni
No matter what He says or does, no matter what his surrogates say or do, the cult members will have more to laugh about.
Aimlockbelch
Who keeps putting blonde wigs on howler monkeys
dspillett
So, MTG, you are saying they can subvert the creation of the god you claim to beliive in? That they are more powerful than that god in that respect? What do your evangelical supporters think of your assessment that their god is so weak?
GCRust
The Republican god is so small.
eromitlab
I was absolutely not missing the weird mind dribblings of that compromised ignoramus getting more attention than they're worth.
DJOldguy
Haven't used this one in a while!
blueKD
PressMyButtonsBaby
ShotgunBetty
Nuttier than a fruitcake
historycat
She's the dumbest member of Congress this year because Bobert has been keeping quiet for a while. There's still time to regain her crown.
CelestialSea
So is she trying to say that Trump is responsible for every major weather event during his presidency? Why bother altering the course of a hurricane with sharpie if he could do it for real?
2074red2074
darxide
Remember when Dubya and Louie Gohmert were the dumbest people in politics? Simpler times.
GlennBecksChalkboard
Kinda curious who "they" are, but not curious enough to read a bunch of stuff that will make me a lot dumber in the process.
Talisign
You can always assume they are talking about "The Jews". Even if its not directly who they meant, you get there eventually.
JPRiddles
It's ok, it's just liberals
wookietiddy
I always hear about how RFK Jr has a brain worm. Are we sure she doesn't have one just running her from the inside like Men in Black?
bobtheaxolotl
This idiot watched "Twisters" one too many times.
cbale2000
She is technically correct. Cloud Seeding is a real weather modification method that's been used since at least the 1950s to reduce storm intensity, suppress hail production, steer hurricanes, and create rain in drought-prone areas. When people make statements like this, you have to ask the question "what do you mean by that?" because it really depends on what level of "control" they're talking about.
saywhooooooooo
who is they ?
NAbsentia
Doublethink works on almost half of us already.
loveisallwereallyhave
I did it. I controlled the weather.
BadderBob
The right considers speech to be an ephemeral tool of manipulation.
iTakeQuotesOutOfContext
Twenty Three MILLION views. What a fucking cunt
medimr
Man, you know for a fact that if it was predominately left-leaning people who lived in southern states effected by this sort of weather...they'd be crowing about how it was "God's Judgement!!!!"
But since it's not, it is of course (((Their))) fault when bad things happen.
eggmuffin
There's a lot of overlap between tornado alley and the bible belt. And the more conservatives obstruct attempts to combat climate change, the greater the overlap becomes.
That sure looks like divine retribution to me.
AyatollahBahloni
14 years ago in The Guardian: Extremism is pretty much the same wherever you find it. It is always accompanied by cognitive dissonance and an extreme void of critical thinking.
Zeterai
Isn't that what they say anytime weather hits the coasts? San Francisco deserves the earthquakes because of how woke it is, and such? But a hurricane wipes half of Florida off the map, or Texas freezes with a broken power grid, and suddenly it's all about unity and coming together and helping each other. Defund FEMA, but give us a few million dollars because we accidentally the whole weather.
ucandcantunc
Yes, because they believe it.
ucandcantunc
Well being down in that area, people still say it was Gawds judgement. They believe they are suffering BECAUSE of the "libs" which make them crazier and more dedicated to getting rid of them.
cousteau
I have been thinking about this. Trump gets elected, God sends a plague. Trump runs for prez, God has already sent TWO guys to try to kill him. Republicans try to get rid of catastrophe aid, God sends hurricane. I don't know if this whole "God" matter is legit, but if it is, maybe they should get a hint…
Flodos
Remember: the lies aren't meant for you. They're obvious, checkable, and ridiculous to reinforce their followers' cult mentality. In them, the notion of truth or facts is destroyed, their entire reality overtaken by factionalism. They'll believe it, support it, and praise her not because they logically agree with the statement, but because she is on the Right Side. Similarly,no amount of facts, data, or logic we bring matter, simply because we're on the Wrong Side. In a word: brainwashing.
genneniper
https://weathergeeks.org/uncovering-the-latest-cloud-seeding-projects-a-comprehensive-guide/
Selfawerewolf
Are you intending to sound like you're defending MTG here or is there another explanation.
neo154
Only jail will let them understand eventually, over time, maybe
TheCarolingian
You say the lies are obvious and checkable... Well, wait till JD Vance is the VP - Fact Checking will be out-lawed!
Rogahar
Calling them out is always worth it, though. You'll never convince someone whose already accepted it as fact, but anybody who isn't totally sure for any reason will only be more likely to fall for it if they don't see anyone disputing it. It's why right-wing forums aggressively ban people who point out the falsehoods, because they're disrupting the brainwashing mechanism.
Shaodyn
It's not about what's true. It's about making it impossible to tell what is and isn't true, at which point either everything is or nothing is, there's no way to know.
MutteringMisanthrope
sounds like a religion to me..............
Thefsm
I managed to talk someone round about this one using hurricane tracking maps and logic. They just assumed hurricanes had to come from the sea in their own state not via another state.
EternallyIgnorant
It also normalizes extreme views that are slightly less insane than that. Take trump saying they are eating the cats and dogs. It moves the overton window because now any republican can say something slightly less crazy than that and even dems will say "well at least they didnt say they are eating the cats and dogs".
BHPaperstacks
Yes! It took me some time to come to this realization.
VodkaReindeer
have you heard of Occam's razor, my man?
Selfawerewolf
Oh is this in fact more easily explained by ignorance considering how many congresspeople on the right are willing to parrot these lies? Are we really giving her the gigantic benefit of the doubt here? Why are we being so generous to MTG?
2Ghoul4School
What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: who is to blame?
zeramos
Same logic as phishing emails. https://www.ratcliff.it/news/top-5-tips-for-spotting-a-phishing-email#:~:text=Poor%20Spelling%20and%20Grammar&text=There%20is%20a%20theory%2C%20that,filter%20out%20more%20gullible%20targets.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I haven't met her, but I assume she's not stupid, she's a paid actor to distract from the GOP stealing money from everyone to give to the super rich. That's all it is.
KPodol
The worst thing is i actually believe she's that stupid and truly think what she says is true.
WouldYouNot
Genuine question: What about blowing away clouds (if I remember correctly the Chinese did something like that) and spraying silver iodide to make it rain? After all, this is a very popular method not related to foil theories and at the same time controlling the weather.
cousteau
Why waste time like that when the US has NUKES? /s
DoktorWeasel
There are things like cloud seeding and hail canons and such, but the jury is still out on whether they even have a significant effect. Even if they do in fact work, it's not very reliable or dramatic, I'd hardly call that "control," rather than influence. Control implies a rather direct and strong impact on something. Cloud seeding has been done for over 80 years and there still isn't fully convincing evidence that it even works. So that's a bit short of "control." There's been ideas for
DoktorWeasel
disrupting hurricanes for decades, but there hasn't been any evidence that anyone has succeeded, and the theory behind them is often under dispute anyway. We have done things like global warming which screws up the whole planetary climate, but there's no control to that.
Shrike99
Yes, weather control can and has been done to some extent. However it takes a lot of effort for a relatively small and temporary effect, and it's also pretty obvious that you're doing it so it's not something you can hide.
Actually, a giant space laser (or more realistically a giant focusing mirror) would indeed be quite capable of influencing weather, among other things.
However, it would also be *super* fucking obvious that it was up there.
Feralkyn
Cloud-seeding. It supposedly works, and there is "weather control" but the "weather control" isn't "control" so much as "we can make it rain whole lots." Which... isn't what's happening, of course, but it DOES exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye as a warfare example
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
IIRC cloud seeding takes water from the cloud portion of the water cycle early. It does not make new clouds form. Assuming you have enough clouds: If you seed all clouds that pass through 1 region to make a rainforest then you would just have a desert where the clouds WOULD have gone later. Our geography and the location of our growing climates is based on natural rainfall, natural rainfall is sometimes based on the plants as well. 1/?
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
Basically: clouds are both affected by and also cause vegetation and geography. Cloud seeding is harder than digging an entire river for irrigation. (based on my understanding and youtube documentary watching) 2/2
ManicModron
Even if cloud seeding was reliable (probably not), we can't make clouds or chase them off and we certainly can't create storms or target them. Attempts made have been dubious at best.
She also posted earlier on the same day about how hurricanes mostly affect Republican counties and may affect the election and got a bunch of flak for that too. In context, it can be argued she is saying the hurricanes are made on purpose to make Republicans lose influence.
RatherRagged
Much needed context for those of us not American and who know little of American politics
Feralkyn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye it's not quite right-
GigglingWordBearer
IDK, she has pretty stiff competition with Beobert.
medic459
And yet both will probably be reelected to Congress...

GravyEducation
PerthAussieMike
And apparently Boebert likes a stiff........
cbjfan
Especially if they expose themselves in public
Txernobog
Well she's said to be a serial cheater.
Toqom
That's just any elected Republican
Doismellbacon
Cock-tail? She used to own a gun restaurant/bar, right?
GigglingWordBearer
The one that gave people the shits, right?
Doismellbacon
I didn't know that but firmly believe it. I would have paid a lot to see her "restaurant" on Kitchen Nightmares. Ramsay would have turn her head completely off
GigglingWordBearer
Here's your sauce, in case you need it in future; https://www.salon.com/2020/07/14/pork-sliders-sold-by-republican-house-candidate-who-supports-qanon-gave-customers-diarrhea-records/