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4: Handouts and bailouts
5: Union busting
6: Wealthy parents
Dec 14, 2021 1:41 PM
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4: Handouts and bailouts
5: Union busting
6: Wealthy parents
trippingthelightfantastic
hodorgoestomordor
This is a flaw in the tax system... Full stop. One that simply increasing tax rates will only harm those who are already hurt by it more.
mmckee44
More cobalt is used in refining gas than in EVs &the EV industry has worked to end that child labor. The oil industry never did that
Jonnieb43
This will get downvotdd to hell. But I'm soooooo bored of this content on imgur.
graehall
RackhamTheRed
The amount of cobalt used in BEVs is miniscule compared to what's needed in mobile phone batteries. Sent from my mobile phone.
iceynyo
Can't wait for that LFP phone
RackhamTheRed
Yeah... Looking forward to something modern too
EricPisch
Huge amounts of cobalt is used in refining oil to remove sulphur
zHurk777
Kinda weird how china was able to snap up the biggest cobalt mine.
stunkcrunk
More bullshit
CiaranMcHale
Regarding point 6, Elon's mother was impoverished when she divorced her abusive husband. She managed to rebuild her career and start to ...
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prosper. But when she and her children moved to Canada, a South African law prevented them from taking more than $2000 each with them. ...
CiaranMcHale
So they had to lead a very frugal lifestyle while the mother got Canadian degrees similar to her South African degree that were not ...
CiaranMcHale
recognised in Canada. All her children got jobs and loans to pay their own way through university. When Elon and Kimbal started their ...
CiaranMcHale
7Zip company, they did it with just $8000 between them; they lived very frugally until they got outside investors to help, and their ...
CiaranMcHale
mother travelled every 6 weeks from Canada to America to visit them and pay bills until the investment funds came in. You can find this ...
DaveTBull
Sources?
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
There's plenty to criticize about Musk, but cobalt mining isn't one of those. Tesla has spearheaded the development of cobalt free batteries
Chereazi
Not really, they just buy from suppliers that develop it, it's simply cheaper.
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
Tesla develops and manufactures its own batteries, not sure where you're getting your info. They do have a partnership with Panasonic though
Chereazi
And who developed the tech? There's a lot of companies working on cobalt free batteries, Panasonic is just one of them. Tesla has also 1/
Chereazi
been buying batteries from other companies. It's just a development towards cheaper batteries, nothing Tesla-specific
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
Tesla has been presenting their achievements in developing battery technology annually, they developed the tech and spend $$$ in r&d.
Chereazi
No, they have 2 companies that develop it for them and supply them... Chinese company CATL is their main source by the way.
0570
7: Buying existing companies and claiming you're a founder
Stefnos
naaa... he also bought the title of founder.... was part of the deal
CiaranMcHale
Actually, that's incorrect. Eberhard's lawsuit against Tesla and Musk basically boiled down to: (1) you owe me money; (2) only Eberhard ...
CiaranMcHale
and Tarpenning are co-founders of Tesla Motors, so Musk has to stop claiming he is a co-founder. In response, Tesla and Musk argued that ...
CiaranMcHale
5 people were co-founders. The judge ruled on the co-founder status issue that there were 5 co-founders, and the claim about money owed ...
CiaranMcHale
(which had nothing to do with co-founder stats) was settled privately out of court (I don't know how much, if any money exchanged hands).
Rendova
Avocado toast?
leopardspotster
Time Magazine is as relevant as a Rolodex
Bonchoman
RobJenkins
*nipples the echidna you take my emeralds dot Jif*
DotcoreJetkill
Pulled himself up by his bootstraps. And by bootstraps I mean child labour
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TheYoungerChrisEvans
Oulled himself up by the velcro straps of children's light-up sneakers.
onlyhalfghost
And his parents' emerald mine. And by dropping out and fleeing to Canada to avoid conscription, then dropping out of Queen's to move to Cali
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
The emerald mine story is a common misconception. Here's a source that should clarify some aspects about it:
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/i-talked-to-elon-musk-about-journalism
AirshipNavigator
"dropping out and fleeing to Canada to avoid conscription" - former volunteer soldier here, good on him.
onlyhalfghost
Do you think that's an opportunity everyone in South Africa had, though? Because that's what I'm getting at.
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
He didn't want to support an apartheid regime and left with 2000 USD in his pocket.
DotcoreJetkill
deathslayer4
[Citation needed]
EricPisch
A recent c4 dispatches could find no evidence of child labour in cobalt mining for several years because of cooperation pressure
EricPisch
Because of the money involved it’s going to be mass industrialised putting all the locals out of work
MyHarryPotterHasHogwarts
Yeah, I never understood why Musk used to get a lot of love from people. He's always been douchy to me.
FortressCraft
Christ, the usual anti-EV bollocks? Tesla are the only EV maker to offer cobalt-free batteries.
FortressCraft
and *all* EV makers do their best to avoid child labour. It's something like 0.01% of stuff is mined ILLEGALLY by children.
FortressCraft
Not because they're nice companies, but because it's really bad PR. They drop any mining company found to use kids in a heartbeart.
vahnn
But how do they get into the tiny nooks and crannies?!
RackhamTheRed
They ain't. LFPs don't hold Co and there are literal shittons of them manufactured all the time and put into EVs, not just by tesla. Not,
RackhamTheRed
that this post here wouldn't be the usuall musk evil bs, but tesla simply isn't the only one not using NMC chemistry
TheS4ndm4n
Probably the only EV sold outside of China. As far as I know all us and European manufacturers use NMC.
FortressCraft
Ok, you've made a statement, now - what cars are using LFP? Or any non NMC.
OldSchoolNewRules
7. Emerald Mine
Ludus
What a waste of a human being
magicmartyn86
AirshipNavigator
Why try? You've decided and that's that.
StreaksOnTheChinaNeverMatteredBefore
I think I’m the only one here that still likes him. I’m ok with that.
KreamyKappa
Elon is awesome!
AngryGraphicDesigner
You left out the billions in federal dollars
watterrbottle
The internets total 180 sentiment on musk is amazing. I remember everyone sucking his D 3 years ago
hodorgoestomordor
https://nupge.ca/content/apple-admits-using-child-labour
hodorgoestomordor
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2127830/samsung-sued-rights-groups-over-alleged-use-child-labour-its
hodorgoestomordor
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/dec/16/apple-and-google-named-in-us-lawsuit-over-congolese-child-cobalt-mining-deaths
fowlersleftfoot
The muskrats rolling out their whataboutism hard in this post
hodorgoestomordor
Just pointing out child labour is an issue in Tech with actual sources. Piling all the hate on Musk does nothing.
fowlersleftfoot
Bet my mortgage on the fact that if this post was about Toyota or Honda you wouldn’t be here telling us how pointless it was.
downrightmike
Musk the early years: African slave emerald mines
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
Completely false. https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/i-talked-to-elon-musk-about-journalism
Iimgurwhenipoop
Cute fan boy article, but not investigated, he just takes everything musk says as the truth, did he even call south African sources, nope.
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
The guy interviewed Elon, Erroll, Kimball, family accountant, friends & other family, reached out to the widow of the man who sold the /
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share of the mine, etc. Did you even read it? That's the most diligent article about it, explaining in detail how it probably can't be /
Iimgurwhenipoop
How many employees of the mine did he interview? Oh none just musk and the people he pays, tell me more.?????
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
corroborated because it's only based on Errol's inconsistent story, which you're taking at complete face value.
Applewhite5
Musk is a phony and his fanbois are next-level sad
the0thermrt
I had to block a dude on FB who became a musky
orivalx
I'm into musk because he is a wizard when it comes to specifically logistics. And in any other capacity he frustrates me to no end.
orivalx
I can not and will not defend his tweets, comments, or work practices. But he routinely overdelivers with SpaceX deadlines, and is on track
orivalx
For his goal of 1 starship being built a day to meet his goal of a fleet of 1000. (Engine production rn) I'm also a space nut and realize
orivalx
The only benefit I will see from this is from the mental comfort and may blowover into nasa research.
Superfloofthundercat
Yes!
Aquilarden
It's a real bummer when you're enthusiastic about space travel but half of all SpaceX fans think Musk walks on water.
krugle
It wasn't long ago everyone was trying to do a running slide into his crotch.
Selfawerewolf
eVerYoNe.
thanzanier
You'd think it was everyone the way this site referred to him as "ol' musky" and praised all his tweets
Selfawerewolf
Imgur has over 250 mil users and it takes like a thousand to reach front page.
Applewhite5
I disdained him before it was cool *adjusts hipster glasses*
thevortexmaster
I hated and liked everything before it was cool or bad.
DevonGronka
He was having bizarre twitter outbursts that revealed just what kind of self absorbed asshole he was long before he called that guy a 1/2
DevonGronka
pedophile for rejecting his absurd contraption when people were trying to rescue some children. It was obvious that Musk only entered into2/
DevonGronka
the conversation to try to gain publicity for himself.
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NoTeEnchiles
Whom do you mean by "we?"
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dingofdong
Hm, yes, so clearly we should just keep doing those things, even though we have the technology not to and moral understanding that it's bad
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dingofdong
Your point being? I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're driving at in this context, you seem to be saying it as though that somehow excuses +
dingofdong
+ the exploitation of child labour in conflict zones, but... that makes zero sense, so I'm kinda baffled tbh
SuperLuigiBrothers
I literally am a saint compared to Musk by virtue of not running my businesses like slave labor death traps.
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SuperLuigiBrothers
Correct.
SuperLuigiBrothers
I feel sorry for whatever kids are unfortunate enough to have you as a teacher. Countless children denied an entire year of proper education
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Applewhite5
I'm sure Musk is super proud he has the endorsement of the "child labor? So what?" guy lmaooo.
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leteshi
that easily in my position. And yes, point taken. However, there will always be inequality in some way or another.
Applewhite5
Hey, hey, guys, who am I? "You think Charles Manson's a monster? Like everyone else is a saint! Humans have been killing each other for
Rivenhelper
'there will always be inequality' you're right, guess we might as well just give into that and just allow anyone to do anything. /S, animal.
erincpotterart
Child labor, so what?
SuperLuigiBrothers
It's no dad gay
SuperLuigiBrothers
The only reason you can sit there and say that from your mommy's basement while you wait for her to bring your tendies is because of the
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rest of us picking up your slack as you do nothing to contribute to society
Applewhite5
Remember, kids: there's no such thing as a self-made billionaire
steve1907
Gets you off to a good start if your dad owns an emerald mine.
Applewhite5
I'm not gonna reply to all these examples individually but if the person you're naming is a billionaire they're not self made. Period.
letsloveeachother
It’s like saying “mere facts won’t change my opinion”
Applewhite5
Do you have any facts to offer?
evd2
Bloomberg?
PhenTsoksar
What about Jobs, Gates, Oprah, LeBron, and if he plays his cards right in less than 20 years, Mahomes ?
BlueBarnstormer
Lebron and Mahomes are profiting from the sneaker industry use of cheap labor. Not to mention consumer exploitation. They are disqualified.
literallymike
No such thing as a self-made anyone.
Applewhite5
This is important to remember.
letsloveeachother
What about Notch?
GoatanamoBay
You say that, but who I ask you, asked his parents?
nclu
“If you wish to make [a billionaire] from scratch, you must first invent the universe”
horriblyremarkable
Durtschi
Oprah?
shinagami091
I think she’s the rare exception unless there’s something about her I don’t know
ItsCaptain0bvious
Not if you're a trillionaire and you blow most of your fortune on drugs and gambling, all by yourself. Bam! Self-made billionaire!
ToSisPoS
Andrew Carnegie borrowed money from his mother as well.
cleverlydisguised
Didn't the guy who created and sold Tumblr for 1.1bil start from pretty much nothing? The exception, not the rule if so.
blaghart
the guy who created Tumblr was born and raised in Upper West Side Manhattan. His dad was a film composer. literally the upper 1%
Maxgaap
I am self made and I have a few billion dollars of bank notes from the bank of Zimbabwe that says differently
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Notch?
Dornenprinzessin
Sold a great game into prostitution
CrossEyedPigeonToed
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were both self-made. I'm not a fan of billionaires either, but there a lot that didn't come from "rich" parents.
PhenTsoksar
As much as i loathe Jobs, he had a lot of shit against him. Father left before he was born, exactly the same way he left his daughter (1/
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before she was born only to acknowledge her to avoid scandal with Apple's initial IPO.
Dalael
Bill Gates mom was like VP of IBM or some shit and convinced them to buy her son's software.
sleepinggreenidea
His upbringing was insanely privileged for what he ended up doing. He grad'd in '73 at a rich prep HS that had computers for him to mess w/
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
I know several actually, who did it without exploiting anyone.
JetSetKilledTheRadioStarFuture
You're a lying, bootlicking piece of shit lmao
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Name them.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
I grew up in the silicon valley tech industry and was the 3rd employee at a company that went public after I left, and I knew several people
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
who were basically nerds who were in the right place at the right time and became perfectly ordinary business owners who hired people and
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
were hugely successful, and in post case MANY of the employees became millionaires too. So I understand the hate people have for rich people
Applewhite5
Actually they didn't. Sorry?
GayCanadianJew
Pat McGrath, but she’s only worth $800 million as of august 2021.
HandoB4Javert
https://www.allure.com/story/pat-mcgrath-self-made-billionaire-success
JustJoshinya9001
Only $800 million? Dang, so she’s basically homeless. /s
GayCanadianJew
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.allure.com/story/pat-mcgrath-self-made-billionaire-success/amp
BennyLarva
jk rowling must be also quite close i guess?
mondeca
Rowling wrote the books, but had editors, publishers, and marketing teams. Other people made the movies and toys. So not "self" at all.
BennyLarva
she wrote the book paid all you named and the leftover is hers. or no one does anything by oneself.
BlueBarnstormer
Publisher used cheap exploited foreign labor to keep production costs low. No way does she qualify as self made.
blaghart
JK Rowling made her billions off the backs of cheap labor to make her books.
GayCanadianJew
True, but also fuck her. She’s a terf.
BennyLarva
how effing ideologized.
GayCanadianJew
Kind of like the TERFs ;p
blaghart
Pat McGrath's first success came from Edward Enninful. Literally no "self made", she succeeded through the help of others.
GayCanadianJew
What? They both started working together as teens and are friends but he didn’t give her a loans of millions or anything. I don’t get this.
GayCanadianJew
You mean cuz he’s editor of vogue? Cuz he didn’t get that job till 2017 which is long after Pat became hugely successful.
blaghart
Never heard of i-D magazine have we. Not super surprising, you also seem to be struggling with the idea that ppl don't succeed on their own
GayCanadianJew
Or YOU seem to be struggling with the idea of a self-made black female billionaire. What does a magazine have to do with her success?
GayCanadianJew
https://i-d.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/43jg4q/interview-with-pat-mcgrath-makeup-artist I see nothing about her not being successful….
GayCanadianJew
I-D is apparently a division of Vice so again, I don’t see what this has to do with anything.