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Apr 1, 2019 2:53 AM
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ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
"Why, yes, my political rivals WERE poachers. Quite a tragedy."
itsaburneraccountdummies
No way this policy could be abused. No sir.
lespritdelescargot
(1) My argument against capital punishment as a deterrent is hangovers: if someone is willing to knowingly give themself a hangover, it
lespritdelescargot
(2) shows that some awful consequence of their actions is clearly insufficient to prevent the action in the first place.
tumppu
I've had some bad hangovers in my time, but the difference between them and execution is that I will recover from a hangover.
CrimsonReaper1985
Like to see how this plays out if some rich American gets caught killing animals on an illegal hunt. I’d love to see the Cheeto’s response.
rowesie
Fix the disease not the symptom. At the very least openly name the countries that drive the market.
EmberFiretail
You mean all of Asia?
nagini
I know how we love to sob over animals here BUT. Animal and human lives are not equal and that penalty is inadequate.
chbarts
Poaching: Kenya Not?
Weblord
There is no groan button...
crypticreference
Also, realistically, out in the bush, poachers will shoot you on sight if you're LE, and you'd best do the same. Just codifying reality here
Potatopeelerkind
I'm assuming you don't mean "Lawful Evil", but that's all I can read that as.
crypticreference
"Law Enforcement." But probably also applies to Lawful Evil, or any kinda Law at all.
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
Can I get a poacher hunting permit then?
TheKnowing1
I dunno, this seems like an easy way to kill off politicial enemies, just stick some contraband in their home and raid them.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
It worked for killary
ShaneEngland
I like what they used to have, armed guards that just shot any humans on sight.
pyrrhlis
What if they had a mirror?
ShaneEngland
Like just holding the mirror in front of them and walking around or setup a bunch of mirrors like a fun house?
itmightbeamemorableday
Naw.... that might never happen every four years...
Darko31
Corruption, and false convictions are the main reason we don't use death penalty. New evidence or false claims by witnesses could reverse.
leduk
the main reason for not using death penalty is not being fucking retarded
leduk
wow too much pro-death retards here :o
swedishspeciality
MetaVulture
"You shoot the lion, you'll be dyin'"
charliegrs
Can we also kill through Chinese fucks who are buying all the ivory for their flacid dicks?
tumppu
I will always support selling hunting permits for people like poachers. Could also add terrorists and cartel/crime syndicate members.
theUFCfan
Do I need a tag to hunt the poachers or is it open season.
CoryBernardi
I lived in Uganda in a national park for a few years. The poachers were mostly hungry and killing for food. Animals are butchered on site
mydickisgreen
meh
Skevoid
Oh yeah, death penalties NEVER result in the wrong people being killed. I'm sure that Kenya has a world-class legal system.
buddbilly
Took an ethics class where this was a discussion. Only it was the value of a endangered tiger’s life vs. a human (poor farmer or poacher).
Ricedcrisper
We've going to need a lot of new dentists and Jimmy John's CEOs.
szepasszony
Jimmy John's CEO poached wild game?
Sakrateri
Rexli78
This is not going to be an effective means to eliminating poachers. You want to stop an illegal trade kill the demand.
whyforyoubootme
He has no power over China...that’s probably the worst offender for demand.
OaksParcel
The population of Kenya is 50 million. The population of China is 1400 million. Not much Kenya can do about it.
MistressLyda
And also improve the general living conditions in the country. People will risk death, or worse, to feed their families.
prunkendunk
PETA enters Kenya... gets executed
Munchman347
'Announces all his political opponents are poachers'...
WeaponizedJerk
I don't think the poachers are who you should be focusing on punishing at all though.
Buffaloqb12
Harder decision than you think but I agree
alyx680
First of FUCK PETA. But I approve if this is true. Still fuck PETA.
leduk
no, fuck the death penalty
ViciousOtter
You forgot to somehow include anti vaxxers in your circlejerk
Shamorza
Bruh, what if you kill an animal in self-defence but you're accused of first degree poaching? Shit is not as clear-cut as it seems.
Stratego89
or you know, framed for political reasons.
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
AND also, if you don't mind me adding?? Fuck PETA
ddriscoll3
I like it...I hope they actually implement it.
AndTheTruthWillSetYouFree
So execution IS an effective deterrent?
JoeSchmew
CorrugatedUrethra1995
Nope. It does lower recidivism though.
Shamorza
TsunamiJohn
It means you kill anybody who could be a witness.
Rawdawgin
I mean some countries have already implemented a shoot on sight rule, which is the same. It will probably just maje poachers go elsewhere
SjorsM
It just makes poachers arm themselves better and kill every ranger on sight.
jansenart
No, more like "game wardens have the power to shoot to kill" because poachers are now tending to not leave witnesses.
rlc34
possibly for a crime like poaching. can't be compared to the lack of deterrent execution has been for murder imo.
66TallGuy
Only for poaching. Obviously.
natebitatibetan
It's making the "sport" more fair.
valen00
I think when it's delivered by a dude hunting the dude doing the poaching it's different to the end result of a court process
stronomer
No. Never was, never will be.
stronomer
Specifically since those poaching are at the bottom of a global chain of people profitting - and most money ends elsewhere.
leduk
it never was
Doctor0Professor
I mean, changes from arrest to a gunfight. If theyre gonna die anyway.
astrangehop
Let's take people with guns and really make them desperate
rmsrmsrms38
Not really. Gotta kill the market for poached goods.... But that is China and they dgaf.
Silas007
Are you proposing another genocide?
JohnMike64
Execute the customers?
rmsrmsrms38
Yikes.
leduk
still better
andy1max
Funny how the mafia always used death as a deterrent and it works!
amundost
No, the mafia use physical pain as a deterrent. Only killing snitches, so they can't tell the police...
HahaTotally
So what you're saying is that we need to painfully harm the poachers.... Sounds good to me.
leduk
souds like prison to me
SjorsM
Yeah, because the mafia never killed anyone. They only did it once and then everyone listened. Such a great deterrent...
nopeMoep
No, and it never has been. Especially not if you commit a crime out of lust/poverty. Raise wages, raise taxes, raise welfare = better.
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nopeMoep
Of course some people will be affected by this, but depending on the cause behind their action; they might have no alternative. this
nopeMoep
is why we need to treat the disease, not the symptom.
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
That fixes poverty but what about lust?
R3mmy
Ask the Netherlands, they arm to have that shoot together
EricFromAccounts
No sense in fighting that. Why can't we just have a big orgy instead?
ShaneGadsby
Sex robots are pretty close, that'll fix that
nopeMoep
It defeats the urge, not the underlaying problem. So yeah; temporary fix to a permanent problem.
nopeMoep
Well depends; Male or female lust? Fetishes? Lust is inherently something you simply have (or have not) and we need a bit more
TheySaidAllTheGoodUsernamesWereTaken
You’re not wrong but the context here is poaching, right?
nopeMoep
Yes, the point i was making is; Crimes driven by Lust and Poverty are not being deterred through the threat of a death sentence, and often
nopeMoep
empathy and tolerance around the subject to begin with; We all know what attraction feels like. Sex positivity is a general good start
nopeMoep
and of course; Education. Widespread. https://youtu.be/k-Fx6P7d21o <- this for instance.
MidnightLibrarian
We kill the poachers... only in Kenya... Come to Kenya, kill some poachers... Kenya! O Kenya! Where safe giraffes are. AND SAFE ZEEEEBRA...
leitwelpe
Have some "Triple Frontier" get together and let veterans hunt them.
NikolaiJakovtheheadoftheKGB
Holy fuck that takes me back
kaelyneh
Only in KENyaaaaa
ButterworthToast
https://imgur.com/Roc7DAz.mp4
ElMeanYo
Kenya is one of the more or less sane African countries.
badyeti
Corpserations
This comment deserves more positive attention
Buck39
Kenya believe it!
DontPurpleRainOnMyParade
Hahaha oh my goodness! Hello, old friend!
Prunebane
KENya! Kenya-Kenya-kenyAAAAAAAaaaa
leftypride
I sang this to Return to Innocence by Enigma
Helveticus
Kenya believe it?!
quicksilver1
(Free snorkel with every visit)
NinjaCongo
Killing them poachers. Poachers for me. Killing them poachers. Poachers for free.
SomeKindaMonstur
Forget Norway!
lavoleous
Free snorkel with every visit.
soupiswhatitsoundslikewhenyoueatsoup
"More like SNORE-way!"
KPuff
NorwegianJim
:'(
soupiswhatitsoundslikewhenyoueatsoup
Sorry, I like Norway, too; but that's just how the song goes. It's just the song, friend.
NorwegianJim
No worries, I know the song :D
AilingHen69
Kennyyyaaaaaaaa! Ooooh, Keeennnyyyaaaa!!
ArthurPhillipDent
Where the giraffes aaaaaaaaaarree. AAAND THE ZEBRRAAAAAAAAAAAA
bigmob100
Poacher poachers sounds like a great hobby to take up
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Tonight we hunt the most dangerous predator...and feed on its white flesh
goudist
But who will poach the poacher poachers? Issue licenses to hunt the poachers.
EhIsForCanehdians
No need, humans are a nuisance and can be hunted without permissions or licensure.
ticktockbent
We are the ultimate invasive species
sf111
YesYouJustLostTheGameAgain
Finally a use for the gun that’s been collecting dust in my attic!
LuffyFett
The most dangerous game!
Bendmydickcuminhersnatch
In the next decade, Poaching Poachers will be the next problem.
Doridan
I think that's just called the military
MidnightLibrarian
They do it in Virunga. Rangers carry AKs and wear vests, go to war to protect the gorillas.
Ghost0fDawn
I read that as Virginia and boy I'll say, what fucking wild gorillas are they protecting in Virginia?
pookieeatworld
Harambe isn't actually dead, they just hid him in Virginia.
MidnightLibrarian
I guess you could say it is gorilla warfare.
Worldf1re
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
I think you just did
BrohthorNature
PaulyParker
IveGotALittleList
Nice in theory, difficult in practice. Other countries don’t like it when you kill their citizens no matter how shitty they are.
leduk
stupid in theory, stupider in practice
ViciousOtter
Politic dissidents shall now be called by the term "poachers"
Singularity838
Yes
jackmiton
Eh, I'm sure they'll make an exception for poachers
Choreopithecus
This isn’t entirely unique. There are Australians on death row in Vietnam right now (or recently ☠️) for heroine trafficking. Don’t hear >>
Choreopithecus
The outrage. (Although it does seem pretty steep)
JohnnyLawlessEsq
Ain’t stopped Singapore.
0cularis
Yeah Thailand has a death penalty for sneaking drugs in..
tivjotunsson
I believe some south asians countries have a death penalty for drug traffickers regardless of the nationality
vauhtihirmu
Plus there's plenty of crimes where a stronger sentence does not deter people from committing the crime. Not sure if poaching is one.
Solear
When people literally exterminating species I'd say a little "don't like it" from other countries doesn't really matter.
TheManInTheWall
The problem is that you can essentially kidnap whatever foreigner you like and execute them on the grounds that they were poaching
Solear
Yeah, but why would you do that? I mean people don't go to Kenya to steal their secrets. Either poachers or tourists go there only.
NerfAriel
Singapore has a death penalty law against drugs and we're doing well without issue :)
SerenePrincess013
Pretty sure if you go kill a rhino and get caught, your home country will crucify you for it. Death is a better alternative.
leduk
I'm not sure their is a lot of country still praticing crucifixion
Imbabala
Follow the laws of the country you're in. It's the minimum of respect. And don't whine when you break them and receive the punishment.
leduk
yeah so if you're gay you can go in half of africa or middle-east
bhangraking
Banged up abroad has some crazy stories. I am sure with the right measures this is implementable
J0765
Saudi Arabia doesn’t give a shit.
kriositivity
From reading news comments on poaching articles I think most Canadians are okay with death penalty for poaching.
Necropoledancer
Ironic, considering how baby seal fur hunting is popular there
BlackCatCasper
China don’t give a fuuuuck
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MonetaryPolicyAct1913
China owns half of Africa. No, that isn't a joke. Africa is China's "China" in term of low income labor force. Kenya will bow to its master.
MobiusOneOneEight
Even the mighty Djbouti has fallen to China
ParadoxicalSheep
Can't wait to invade HER sovereign nation of Djibouti
sendnoose69
Exactly.
whiskeyvillage
Ok well, there's always an exception
heyletsbefriends
death penalty is archaic and barbaric and should be considered below humanity.
IOvercookedmyeggsagain
Try telling that to Malaysia
funkgasm
I don't think the death penalty is nice in any theory
palmo
Also, considering placed with the death penalty for murder actually have higher murder rates than places that don't, it isn't a deterrent.
genbadger
I think in poaching cases, a country wouldn't increase tensions over one person by making a big deal. That poor kid in NK didn't get help
Andied
Accidents happens in Africa. White Elephant shot back.
kittybingo
You break the laws of a country while you are visiting, you get the consequences. Don’t like it, don’t break the law.
leduk
that's the stupidest thing I've heard today, especially when it comes to death penalty
leduk
"don't be gay in Iran or deal with it" sounds so fucking stupid
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Not to mention it gets a lot more difficult when you realize they can kill someone and say "He was a poacher."
Oddmonster
That sounds like something a poacher would say.....
Solkanarmy
america can do that too, they just say he was a murderer, or resisted arrest, or was about to use what looked like a gun in the half-light..
skincancerisfun
Guy1: You just killed that guy! Guy2: He was a poacher Guy1: No he wasn't! He works here! Guy2: Khakhi gear, gun.. he's a poacher.
skincancerisfun
Guy1: He's a ranger! Thats what they wear! Guy2: No, he's definitely a poacher. Guy1: Hey.. whats that in your backpack... is that elephant
skincancerisfun
tusks? What are you doing with those?? **GUN SHOT** Guy2: Oh dear, another poacher. Good thing I was here. **Guy2 walks off dragging a big
skincancerisfun
bag of elephant tusks, a cheetah carcass, a trolley with flies labelled 'Giraffe testicles', and at the back a leprechaun struggling to free
doomy330
14mil punds of trash in the sea per year, water is dirty everywhere,land species dying, no seasons anymore, but human life is precious?...hm
vipe650r
You should come to my city. We have plenty of seasons we’d like to share with you. And, yes, none of that changes the sanctity of human life
tumppu
Human life is no more sacred than any other animal life. Only religious nuts think humans are above everything else.
vipe650r
Without getting into a religious/philosophical discussion, humans are the only being capable of changing the world positively.
doomy330
idk man .. call me an extreme sceptic but I see less and less value in humans looking at the track record... just a thought
vipe650r
1/2 Is challenge you to look more purely at the data. The world continues to improve in every measurable sense - literacy, poverty...
vipe650r
Infant mortality, access to drinking water, political freedom. Evil is more evil and we’re more aware than ever, but it’s improving overall.
haven602
Yea I can only see this causing problems no matter how much I agree with it.
leduk
how can you agree with death penalty we're in 2019 ffs
Singularity838
Me too
frankbarista
Then don’t go and kill off animals where there clearly a sign says poachers will be executed?
MountedMedic
Poachers will be poached?
frankbarista
SjorsM
That just makes poachers want to not get caught, which they already wanted. Changing a penalty from 20 years prison to death does nothing.
frankbarista
But but but but but!! If they do get caught, then thats it game over brosky
PrincessWasabi
It’s a wee bit more pressure
peakit
Yeah. To kill the guys chasing you.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
In truth, 'diplomatic immunity' doesnt protect you from breaking another country's laws. If it is a death sentence over there you are
squintish
Diplomats are unlikely to be doing a lot of poaching.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Fucked.
ThomasThundersword
Diplomatic immunity has no effect on normal civilians, and in any countries we have diplomats in, it depends o our agreements and Int law>
ThomasThundersword
a good example is a US diplo breaking a law esp a major one in the UK, will likely be fired and quite possibly extradited to face UK justice
deadrabbbit
It’s not like they aren’t warning motherfuckers that decide to go in and poach exotic animals
SjorsM
It's not like these poachers thought what they were doing was legal and getting caught was just fine. Kenyan jail isn't fun.
qwerty0o
People living normally around endangered animals will now be at risk of execution. And they’re usually poor and victims of law being used
UnremarkablyInteresting
"that's a nice bit of land you got there......poacher"
Doctor0Professor
I mean, Burma warns women not to touch their golden boulder on pain of execution. Same deal right?
DoCollegeProfessorsDreamOfElectricTermPapers
At the risk of learning some new terminology that I absolutely do not need in my life, wth is a "golden boulder?"
Doctor0Professor
I meant it literally, its a large gold painted rock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaiktiyo_Pagoda
rylecx
Doesn't matter though. That's a huge political no-no
IMadeThisAccountForButts
You say that like you are assuming Kenya is a first world country with laws and morals that are actually upheld.
Imbabala
I didn't know laws and morals were upheld in first world countries tbh.
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
You say that like you are assuming first world countries are places with laws and morals that are actually upheld.
Sprixxen
I mean, generally. Confidence in law and order being uphold is the first step to becoming a first world country.
ensensu
You say that like humans uphold laws and morals.
IMadeThisAccountForButts
Hmm... well let's see do we have an execution squad and political prisoners? No.
UsernameAlreadyTaken058
Let's see. Did the US demand the arrest of Huawei's Meng Wanzhou for not adhering to US imposed sanctions on Iran? Yes, yes they did. (1/x)
UsernameAlreadyTaken058
Did the US stage coups in other countries to install a regime more agreeable to them? Yes, yes they did (2/2)