I happened to be in Amsterdam six years ago during Koningsdag. We didn't even know it was happening until we got there two days before. I've been to Mardi Gras in New Orleans and this seemed ten times bigger to me.
Technically he's a civil servant whose job title is "king of the Netherlands". We can choose, via our government, who's our head of state, but the government can only choose from one specific family.
Literal translation is more in the direction of 'city holder', less literal would be 'city keeper'. It was essentially the title of the steward of the Dutch Republic at the time. That all said, my knowledge of my nation's history is spotty at bestđŹ
Don't smoke in large crowds. That's making a lot of people uncomfortable just because one person couldn't hold their unhealthy habit until they leave. Or leave the crowd, enjoy your cancer and return.
I agree with your view that folks shouldn't smoke in public spaces, especially crowded ones, but it's not a "habit", it's an addiction, and the damn things should be illegal. Please write your elected representative and ask point blank why tobacco & nicotine products are still on the shelf. :)
Because prohibition doesn't work. We saw in the US how that went with alcohol and how it continues to go with various drugs (not well, to put it lightly).
Many people can drink alcohol with no adverse affects. There is, however, no such thing as a 'casual smoker'. The government is also addicted to the money they make from tobacco. Yeah, people can get harmful things from underground sources, but you're not going to say "people can get heroin anyway so lets put it on the shelf in the grocery store".
Eh, it's not working if it is. Granted I hate cigarettes so perhaps I'm bias, but even an incredibly attractive woman like that instantly loses any appeal to me when she starts smoking.
I find both smoking and vaping extremely off-putting. I am a smoke magnet anyway (the smoke will always come towards me), so being next to a smoker is very unpleasant.
Strangeley, (to me at least) a LOT of young people - all classes- still start and continue smoking in Europe. That Dutch babe paid almost $10 for a pack.
Yeah, that was a 'wtf? younger folks are still stinking up the joint with cigarettes?' Weird that anyone still thinks smoking is anything but gross and a sad, expensive addiction.
Not really. The NL is a very big place, bigger than Amsterdam. I've done Amsterdam many times in my younger days and had a great time. Now I enjoy in a smaller place, people can get a bit drunk and be nice people... It's possible
I have actually only been to Amsterdam for a concert once, otherwise I've stayed with friends in Leiden, Tilburg, Rotterdam, Alphen, etc. I did use the wrong word though, I know most aren't obnoxious, and my answer to you was a bit rude. I know people can be drunk and nice, my friends, for example, but many of us are also easily overwhelmed by the crowds, and if you are not part of the public celebration, you are only really inconvenienced by it. But yes, wrong word and a bit rude, I apologise.
No apologies needed â¤ď¸. It can get messy, but perhaps being a bit drunk yourself helps to help ignore the bad aspects. Rude yes, sure, large crowds with booze, yes rude. Plus tbf , Dutchies can seem a bit rude, even when they're not being. I lived in Leiden for a long time and honestly, I stayed away from the centre at its peak Koningsdaag time, stay in the periphery: the Bonte Koe etc...
To some extent they are right. One of the cousins of the king is the second biggest landlord in Amsterdam and notorious rule breaker with renting. He also organises an f1 race in a nature protected area, while all farmers in NL are being fucked by the government, he gets all permits for the race in time. They don't have any formal power, but him being prince does help a lot.
Centuries of propaganda stemming from a revolution that started because some rich opportunists decided to take advantage of the ignorance of a settler population. "How dare England raise taxes on us after fighting a brutal multi-continent war that protected us from being subjugated by France!"
Britain not England, but yes exactly. A group of wealthy landowners decided to keep the wealth for themselves instead of paying for their own defence. Imagine if the UK declared war on the US in the 1950s instead of paying back all of the lend-lease money we owed.
You watch too much TV. On TV a prominently placed smoker is a story element, often a big one; but in this case the person filming may have just spontaneously started and didn't notice the smoking lady.
In the US, the last 2 generations have pretty much killed cigarettes. Only old people with a tracheostomy or those sort of nasty looking overweight people who look like the poster child for some sort of rampant VD smoke cigarettes. There's barely even places where it's acceptable to smoke anymore, like those glass zoo cage smoking rooms they put in airports so people can see smokers in their natural habitat.
Granted, a good number of people have replaced them with vapes, which are their own sort of annoying, but it's clearly not as awful to bystanders at least.
What's your point? Why do you need to attack him/her this way? It is not a competition for the best country... He/she was just noticing it is unusual to see a person at that age smoking...
In 1980, it was something like 33% of adults in the US and it was normal to do it everywhere; restaurants, workplaces, hospitals, etc. It's currently fallen to 11%, and like you implied, it's a habit of the poor, like other "considered disreputable" drug habits, or what I said, older people. But not as many of those on account of the whole cancer thing. It's dying like chain family restaurants.
"Among teenagers aged 15-18, the prevalence of smoking across Europe is 30% and is âa well established behaviourâ with âalmost no signs of a decrease,â said the World Health Organization."
walaishy
I haven't smoked in over a decade and now I want a cigarette.
HansVerhaegen
Death to all royalty. The French got it, be like the French.
Maultasche
FrankRizzo55
I happened to be in Amsterdam six years ago during Koningsdag. We didn't even know it was happening until we got there two days before. I've been to Mardi Gras in New Orleans and this seemed ten times bigger to me.
Donaldbain
Koningsdag or King's Day is a national holiday in the Netherlands. Celebrated on 27 April the date marks the birth of King Willem-Alexander.
DigYourselfBaby
Thank you for doing OP's job by providing context. Cheers!
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
Remember Chris, if she smokes, she pokes.
SwedenAndersson
This day is awesome! I had the pleasure of experiencing it when I lived there, everyone is in full on party mode đĽ°
Micro2112
RuijiRiku
ahbrannon1
The Dutch are the greatest people in the world.
BoppinAndJivin
Curious if youâre the âgreatestâ peoples whoâs the worst?
ahbrannon1
Americans who support Donald J Trump. In case you are wondering my heritage is not Dutch. I just lived in Holland for about 3 years.
stronomer
The dutch king is really good on his sax!
Volpe42
King day? Do they still have a king?
fromagewit
Technically he's a civil servant whose job title is "king of the Netherlands". We can choose, via our government, who's our head of state, but the government can only choose from one specific family.
Morganelefay
Mostly ceremonial, holds no real official power. Still, nice excuse to throw a party.
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Volpe42
Village holders?
Fillask
Literal translation is more in the direction of 'city holder', less literal would be 'city keeper'. It was essentially the title of the steward of the Dutch Republic at the time. That all said, my knowledge of my nation's history is spotty at bestđŹ
Volpe42
Oh yeah, village is stedl not stadt
Fillask
Village would be 'dorp' in Dutch. No clue what 'stedl' might be.
hippocampus
Don't let Denethor hear about this.
TheAziz
Don't smoke in large crowds. That's making a lot of people uncomfortable just because one person couldn't hold their unhealthy habit until they leave. Or leave the crowd, enjoy your cancer and return.
DigYourselfBaby
I agree with your view that folks shouldn't smoke in public spaces, especially crowded ones, but it's not a "habit", it's an addiction, and the damn things should be illegal. Please write your elected representative and ask point blank why tobacco & nicotine products are still on the shelf. :)
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Because prohibition doesn't work. We saw in the US how that went with alcohol and how it continues to go with various drugs (not well, to put it lightly).
DigYourselfBaby
Many people can drink alcohol with no adverse affects. There is, however, no such thing as a 'casual smoker'. The government is also addicted to the money they make from tobacco. Yeah, people can get harmful things from underground sources, but you're not going to say "people can get heroin anyway so lets put it on the shelf in the grocery store".
SarcasticComment
what are you talking about? I had a cigarette yesterday and my last one was a few months ago. Casual certainly exists.
RadiDaddy
A good day if ya like dags.
Togame21
Dagen!
FirePrinceZuzu
Dags?
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
Leuke dag, wel weer erg druk
TheSongofRiver
Geen idee, ik zat nog te denken vanmorgen om de vrijmarkt op te gaan, maar t regende de hele tijd. Bij jullie niet?
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
Toen ik bijgekomen was van koningsnacht was het hier droog en ik heb de hele dag geen druppel gevoeld
Freak0zoid
Fuck de koning. Stop de oranjesubsidie.
PicassoCT
Het is illegaal om de koning te pimpen
doctorhat
Imagine being dutch
JackHL01
I'd rather not :-)
LespritDeLescalier22
âFuck offâ -Michael Caine probably
LariCheltsy
Yakuzi
Malloon
It's pretty great, tbh.
soepie7
It's glorious.
UnoriginalPieceOfRepeatingShit
(Shudders)
TheSongofRiver
SalmySwims
With almost everything I read from the Netherlands, I often wish I was
Yoda1974
Donât have to imagine
SnargleBlaster
How unfortunate
HandoB4Javert
Go halves?
ThailandExpress
Is this a cigarette ad?
Chronomechanist
Eh, it's not working if it is. Granted I hate cigarettes so perhaps I'm bias, but even an incredibly attractive woman like that instantly loses any appeal to me when she starts smoking.
elmesito
I find both smoking and vaping extremely off-putting. I am a smoke magnet anyway (the smoke will always come towards me), so being next to a smoker is very unpleasant.
Trimule
Strangeley, (to me at least) a LOT of young people - all classes- still start and continue smoking in Europe. That Dutch babe paid almost $10 for a pack.
yespaige
Looks like a rolly or joint to me
squishybaker
$10 a pack that's cheap, normally they are like $20-25.
Pseudoducktail
Not in the Netherlands..
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Pseudoducktail
Well yeah, it depends on the size of the package. 20cigs are ~âŹ11 but you do have bigger packs that are almost âŹ20.
goodtimehadbyall
Yeah, that was a 'wtf? younger folks are still stinking up the joint with cigarettes?' Weird that anyone still thinks smoking is anything but gross and a sad, expensive addiction.
Vulpesferrilata
More COPD patients for me in twenty years
fatflapfrap
I don't know, but I really want a cigarette now.
ArmathyAndTheUnfinishedBusiness2
Hey, that's where Lando Norris cut his face open.
piephiq
No gods no kings.
Goldenteckel
BeastofKnowledge
DidItForScience
He's playing over a classic garage house track. I cannot remember the name of it though.
AyatollahBahloni
Gefeliciteerd!
Timiny
who still smokes?
FeloniousMonk13
Man I sure would love to be in Holland. Seems like just a cool place, all around.
NomDeImguerre
As a Dutchman, we currently have our own Republican shitfest.
plantpr0n
Has its ups and downs. Is a cool place tho.
thefastandthefourier
I thought it was all flat?!
NopeNopedyNopeNope
Ups and downs? It's flat as fuck!
Isuzu24
oy, the east exist! we have hills!
Thesaya
Nord or Syd Holland?
hobiecatman
Nord, Texel is where my peeps hang.đ
FeloniousMonk13
Ahh my mistake.. should've said The Netherlands
Thesaya
All of my Dutch friends are very decidedly staying at home today. It is super peopley outside and most are drunk and obnoxious.
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Thesaya
Yes. Not sure how that's relevant to my comment?
cantevenbewhenicantevenpee
There are only two things that I hate, people that are unaccepting of other people culture and the fucking
GabbyJayYay
keroko
Agreed, I had a very fun day lazing around at home.
gargaj
Just because they're drunk and obnoxious doesn't mean they shouldn't go out.
airwoman
Agreed. I had to deliver pizzas today. Luckily I was able to avoid the city center mostly and didn't have too much trouble.
YellowYoda
Most? Try all! I live outside the city... besides the flags hanging, I didn't notice anything. Bliss!
Thesaya
That's a lie, you guys only have cities and fields, you can't live outside a city. ;)
YellowYoda
Villages. Forests...
Thesaya
You don't have forests either, and your villages are more like suburbs. :P
Boksha
I used today to sleep in. Hard to do with the loud music outside, but I managed. (I did buy a pack of oranje tompoezen after waking up)
NopeNopedyNopeNope
As a true Dutchman, I'll wait tomorrow to buy them on sale.
Thesaya
My friend works at Hema, so he didn't have to.
Thesaya
Yeah one of them has eaten a lot of tompouce in the last few days, another just baked some herself, with passionfruit for the orange.
Emjayen
My Dutch friend's only recognition of this day is the appearance of particular sweets.
Thesaya
My friend baked her own, using passion fruit to make orange tompuce.
hotroddadbod
Itâs so crowded, nobody went
Thesaya
None of my friends went. Loads of other people did.
Togame21
That's such a beautiful contradiction. I think I know what you meant with it, and I really like the phrasing.
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
Bollocks. Most people are obnoxious my arse. It's a great daywe had a great time as always!
Thesaya
Ah, one of the peoply people.
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
Not really. The NL is a very big place, bigger than Amsterdam. I've done Amsterdam many times in my younger days and had a great time. Now I enjoy in a smaller place, people can get a bit drunk and be nice people... It's possible
Thesaya
I have actually only been to Amsterdam for a concert once, otherwise I've stayed with friends in Leiden, Tilburg, Rotterdam, Alphen, etc. I did use the wrong word though, I know most aren't obnoxious, and my answer to you was a bit rude. I know people can be drunk and nice, my friends, for example, but many of us are also easily overwhelmed by the crowds, and if you are not part of the public celebration, you are only really inconvenienced by it. But yes, wrong word and a bit rude, I apologise.
Thesaya
Although, I have to say, no, the Netherlands really isn't a big place. A very densely populated place, but not big. ;)
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
No apologies needed â¤ď¸. It can get messy, but perhaps being a bit drunk yourself helps to help ignore the bad aspects. Rude yes, sure, large crowds with booze, yes rude. Plus tbf , Dutchies can seem a bit rude, even when they're not being. I lived in Leiden for a long time and honestly, I stayed away from the centre at its peak Koningsdaag time, stay in the periphery: the Bonte Koe etc...
SamuthNBS
And still loads of Americans will believe that constitutional monarchies are oppressive.
fromagewit
To some extent they are right. One of the cousins of the king is the second biggest landlord in Amsterdam and notorious rule breaker with renting. He also organises an f1 race in a nature protected area, while all farmers in NL are being fucked by the government, he gets all permits for the race in time. They don't have any formal power, but him being prince does help a lot.
SamuthNBS
Rich people getting what they want isn't really limited to monarchies, otherwise I'd be a republican (the British kind not the American kind)
OaksParcel
Centuries of propaganda stemming from a revolution that started because some rich opportunists decided to take advantage of the ignorance of a settler population. "How dare England raise taxes on us after fighting a brutal multi-continent war that protected us from being subjugated by France!"
SamuthNBS
Britain not England, but yes exactly. A group of wealthy landowners decided to keep the wealth for themselves instead of paying for their own defence. Imagine if the UK declared war on the US in the 1950s instead of paying back all of the lend-lease money we owed.
quietwalker
I guess in Europe people that woman's age still smoke cigarettes. How weird to see.
StephenDaniels
You watch too much TV. On TV a prominently placed smoker is a story element, often a big one; but in this case the person filming may have just spontaneously started and didn't notice the smoking lady.
quietwalker
I watch zero tv. We don't have any broadcast or cable tv, haven't for like, 10 years? ... and I don't watch much online either, really.
NotoriousBAS3000
Most people that smoke at that age that I know aren't Dutch, mostly eastern or southern countries
Thesaya
...what?
quietwalker
In the US, the last 2 generations have pretty much killed cigarettes. Only old people with a tracheostomy or those sort of nasty looking overweight people who look like the poster child for some sort of rampant VD smoke cigarettes. There's barely even places where it's acceptable to smoke anymore, like those glass zoo cage smoking rooms they put in airports so people can see smokers in their natural habitat.
WeaponizedJerk
And you decided Europe is completely different because you saw ONE young person smoking on camera?
SkeksiLady
They're just vaping now
quietwalker
Granted, a good number of people have replaced them with vapes, which are their own sort of annoying, but it's clearly not as awful to bystanders at least.
Morganelefay
TBF, we have those "smoke rooms" too; just out on the street it's considered less of a problem, unfortunately.
PrincessWasabi
I agree with u, itâs rare to see a young person actually smoke a cigarette
Asharil
Then again, the Dutch do have affordable health care and zero school shootings.
cercafoglie
What's your point? Why do you need to attack him/her this way? It is not a competition for the best country... He/she was just noticing it is unusual to see a person at that age smoking...
WeaponizedJerk
It's kind of insulting to generalise a population based on what they saw one person doing.
FirePrinceZuzu
No, they weren't. They were being insulting and condescending. They got the answer they deserved.
Thesaya
I am guessing you aren't living in a poor neighbourhood. ;) It may be much rarer, but smoking isn't dead just yet.
PoorBoyChevelle
Newports? Newports.
quietwalker
In 1980, it was something like 33% of adults in the US and it was normal to do it everywhere; restaurants, workplaces, hospitals, etc. It's currently fallen to 11%, and like you implied, it's a habit of the poor, like other "considered disreputable" drug habits, or what I said, older people. But not as many of those on account of the whole cancer thing. It's dying like chain family restaurants.
Thesaya
Yes, but it is far from dead yet.
Trimule
That mooi meisje paid $10 for her pack of Marlboros just to make her smell bad. Why? I don't get it.
cluelesscookie
Welcome to addiction
Trimule
Yeah, I posted elsewhere 30% of Euro teens are smokers and it isn't going down.
yellowtoothed
It varies hugely by country
Trimule
"Among teenagers aged 15-18, the prevalence of smoking across Europe is 30% and is âa well established behaviourâ with âalmost no signs of a decrease,â said the World Health Organization."
yellowtoothed
Do you think Europe is one place?
yellowtoothed
In the UK it is 11% - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9521183/