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washdoubt
Oh great, now they are going to raise the cost of Harvard.
IronicUsername
Remember, many of these private prisons have contracts with the government in which a fee is charged if a certain percentage of [1]
IronicUsername
occupancy is not met. Prisoner quotas, essentially. Welcome to the land of the free. [2]
beholder87
Why not just send prisoners to Harvard then? It would be cheaper on us tax payers...
Crustypeanut
AND they'd probably come out of it a more useful member of society to boot
rookiefdb
all the comments here and no one is mad that Harvard costs somewhere near 75000 a year!! holy fuck
MerToo
75K probably helps cover the bubbly glass tubes and the machine that goes Bzzzz-zup! Bzzzz-zup! but iono why arts degrees cost so much.
BasisPoints
at least the harvard cost is an investment that will likely pay out more than you put in :/
aqueueforyou
The cost of an elite college is supposed to be high, that's not paid by tax money
yuckluck
This doesnt factor in costs to convict through fair trial.
yuckluck
It is much higher once you factor that in
askjeeves28
Well, the GOOD thing is that high prices and low political acceptance of prison systems will lead to prison and sentence reforms. And..1/2
askjeeves28
2/2 the BAD news is that corners will be cut because the overall goal is to save/make money, not reform/help people
forreallyandfortrue
And their cheap labor is used by for-profit prison owner in place of folks who have to be paid minimum wage; the taxpayer alone loses money.
Muzkrat101
That's more than I get paid a year and that's before taxes :(
CommanderWilliamTRiker
Not knowing much about this, I would just like to say that everything is expensive and retarded out in California.
TheBigPoo
Let's send them to Harvard then. That'd be fun. Ooohh! new reality show.
TheBigPoo
Gimme that pencil bitch!
OpenPalm
Once upon a time- prisoners kept busy. Making license plates, cleaning ditches, it's almost like that prepped you for WORKING when released
GeneralComments
What is the point of having private prisons, if they cost more than public ones?
MerToo
the important bit is who gets to keep all the money, and whether they remember to send the cut to the senators who permitted this travesty
KeatonJazz
California prisons are not privatized. They have also discharged an enormous number of prisoners to save money. Not good.
herpopottomas
The war on drugs is one of the biggest scams in modern history.
Kitastrophe
Alright. Let's send them all to Harvard, then!
Seerion
Amazing that I live decently well in my city on $30k but we waste 75k on criminals and people that shouldn't even be there.
Piornet
Republicans hear about this and *crickets* - but provide a free education that improves society and reduces criminals? FUCKING PITCHFORKS!
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
That's ok. They're still screaming daily about the deficit the same as when the black guy was in office. Right? Right guys? *more crickets*
pyjamamama
From a Norwegian standpoint, republicans seem like these evil, contra-productive money-grabbers. Can't understand their logic.
archmage7
Uh this is california, a liberal paradise. Dont blame republicans for this one buddy.
imgurdotcommie
truth.
LargeCanine
Yes! Blame Republicans who are not responsible.
IronicUsername
The modern Republican party is only fiscally conservative about programs they don't profit from.
chloramphenicolderivative
I hate the democrats, but I just can't vote for the current republicans. Mostly because I'm European, but still.
FunkyMonkey7503
Damn those CA Republicans and their 30% state legislature minority. How will the CA Democrats ever get any chance to change things ...
FunkyMonkey7503
CA R's might have interest in for-profit prisons, but the D's have the power to end it, and chose not to for 40 years of legislature control
DrShrinker
the vast majority of Private prisons are State, not Federal. This is not partisan. Both parties are guilty of this shit.
camer0nfrye
Did Republicans suddenly stop pushing for privatization and Democrats suddenly stopped opposing them?
DrShrinker
At the Federal level?, no, probably not. But at the state level?, well, Democrats are clearly in charge of CA. /shrug.
ImNotSureWhatAGoodUserNameIsSoThisWillHaveToDo
The question is how much would it cost society and the economy to not imprison these criminals?
RedDwarfIV
Someone above said half of them are in for drug offences. Society would probably be better off NOT having those people in prison.
ImNotSureWhatAGoodUserNameIsSoThisWillHaveToDo
I agree, but there're a lot of topics and variables in determining the worth of incarcerating these individuals and tuition cost is not one.
RedDwarfIV
Agreed.
fredbloxx
put recently-pardoned sheriff arpaio in charge - that'd cut costs
TormentedPenguin
to think they could be forcing them into colleges to learn and become productive citizens.. but then you wouldn't have kick backs
aquamaniam
Three times my salary of a struggling taxpaying citizen, to provide for a convict. That's criminal.
whargarble
Don't forget that a prison guard, with benefits, make more than your average Harvard graduate.
Janusha
The US prison system is a SPECTACULAR failure. Except for the people who get very very rich off it. Much like the US education system.
shutuppayoufaceyoustupidaguy
We need another Australia. Ship em off and forget about them. Put them on an island and let natural selection sort them out.
OrC23
Mississippi with a big ass fence all around the border.
shutuppayoufaceyoustupidaguy
Australia turned out pretty good.
Kavrae
A literal "prisoner's island" eh? Not like that idea was proven to be a bad idea or anything.
herpopottomas
Memba piggy?
DangerTrain
Just send 'em to Australia, the wildlife will keep them in line.
CalculatedMiscalculations
Less than 8 percent of the prisons in the United States are privatized cut this circle jerking bullshit out.
Felman
Oh, ok. At what percentage can we talk about problems?
IronicUsername
1% is too fucking much. For-profit prisons are an atrocious idea.
Crustypeanut
To be fair though, around the time prisons were privatized (Regan), the incarceration rate increased dramatically.
Crustypeanut
more than*. 8.4%. still a lot lower than I thought though. Nevertheless, we still have a prison issue. Too many people go to jail 1/?
Crustypeanut
for things that really aren't jailworthy, like non-violent drug-related things. I've read that the % is high that theyll come out worse. 2/2
Florilol
As it should. I mean, USA has way to many people imprisoned. But keeping a human being alive, healthy and sane isn't cheap. 1/2
Florilol
And there's also the added cost of keeping them safe from each other and us. Still there's a whole lot of people in jail who shouldn't be2/2
Florilol
EXTRA: One inmate in a Norwegian prison costs roughly $135,000 a year (2007 numbers). But there the prisoners aren't treated like animals...
buttbuttpartywagon
You know, the money is an average based off all the resources they need to run the facility right? Staff, food, electricity, plumbing, etc.
atamosk
fuck you could just pay the people in the fucking prizon not to do bad shit and they probably would
tlilsmash
That's kind of the thought behind a standard living wage
MerToo
funny that. Oh wait, social welfare is Commanizzum! leave 'em good and poor and desperate, that's working so well already
Crustypeanut
Yes, it is, exactly. Its working so well for the prison companies. Keep them poor and desperate so theyll commit more crimes and come back
Verelse
$40,000 of that is profit to private companies.
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PiggyWobbles
Higher abuse, higher recidivism, and they use their money to lobby for tougher sentencing for immigrants and criminals.. "client retention"
JeriSanchez
Just remember too. If the prisons are not at a certain capacity, private ones can charge a greater amount. It's a lose lose.
shartsicle
Corrections companies have actually made about a 10% net margin on average since 2000 - so around 7k.
Someoneisinmyhead
Source?
iixsephirothvii
http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/09/kamala-harris/does-it-cost-75k-year-lock-inmate-california/
SaladNoLettuce
That article doesn't attribute the higher cost in CA to profit. The margins are probably the same as other states.
Someoneisinmyhead
Cool, looks like the salaries are the reason for cost, not a $40k profit per inmate though. And what is the cost of living comparison?
BertsPark
Yep. "$436 million is directly tied to increased pension contributions by the state for prison employees".
Someoneisinmyhead
Lovely.
Spleadal
California has an extremely high cost of living
potatothegreat
Yeah i like in orange county and make about 50k a year and that isnt much
SaladNoLettuce
And higher costs of utilities, energy, etc.
azazyel
Remember when Obama was on track to get rid of for profit prisons and Trump reversed that?
azazyel
Arizona's privatized prison health care under fire after deaths via http://alj.am/18csjQG
azazyel
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY
OldFriendForDinner
Pepperidge Farms remembers
ChairmanOfTheBorg
That's the answer I wanted to see
azazyel
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-justice-department-rescinds-order-1487893081-htmlstory.html
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
Did not know that .. had not thought he had taken on of the big guns. Left it too late, probably.
banthis
No
TehWolfs
I 'member
electronandswitch
http://imgur.com/sLjYkPx
rabbiebabbie
Member star waaars?
thisIsTheTenthTryToMakeAUsername
No one remembers. We only remember things that happened. And not very well.
Byrdmanbones
Looks like you need to try for 11 dipshit.
banthis
aww, someone's going through cock withdrawal
azazyel
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-justice-department-rescinds-order-1487893081-htmlstory.html
banthis
So it was Sessions, not Trump.
azazyel
You think he did that without Trump's consent?
starfound
But but... fake news!
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
Obama also let the ACLU in to give inmates everything at the cost of the Officers.
Mentok
Well if he did, then clearly private prisons for profit are totally ok.
Corrodias
Without additional context, if the ACLU was involved, I'm inclined to be on their side. That's not helping your case.
azazyel
Everything? Wow! That must be true!
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
Murderers and rapists getting 7 times more rec, unlimited phone calls, no more hole time, no way to discipline.
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
They bring these inmates coffee and donuts from SD yet I'm threatened a write up for bringing extra food for my fellow officer for thanksgiv
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
DD Dunkin Donuts
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
Known manipulators and gang lords being placed in buildings they never should have been in and giving that building more freedom.
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
Resulting in a man sworn to defend you dying with no one being held to blame or punished. All ACLU
mechanicalhemiola
hehe, that other guy must be farming downvotes
SFMGifs
It's a bountiful harvest this year.
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
They're giving them WiFi and free tablets, do our school children get free tablets?
SFMGifs
Yes.
azazyel
Some do yes. Also Prison isn't about punishment it's about rehabilitation
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I know two people who got free tablets from their schools.
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
The ACLU is directly responsible for Sgt Floyd's early departure. Ask any DE Correctional Officer
azazyel
This? https://delawarestatenews.net/news/lawyers-respond-state-effort-dismiss-prison-riot-victims-lawsuit/
Jusmar
In like Late august of 2016? What a huge amount of effort destroyed. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-prisons-idUSKBN1622NN
azazyel
It was a policy to let the contracts expire, now they won't.
imooforyou
Huh. What an odd assessment. Something that helps people is worthless because they didn't spend the amount of time you deemed worthy?
Jusmar
It didn't help people BECAUSE they didn't spend enough time on it. They should have started earlier if it was that important to them.
Corrodias
Uh... they didn't have time. Because it was a recent decision. I don't know what you expect, here. Would you say that no decisions »
imooforyou
And Trump still could have reversed it. Just like so many of Obamas accomplishments. Amount of time isn't relevant in this case.
GinjerbreadMan
America. You got too much money in the wrong places baby!
IAmAGoodPerson
So what should they do to the prisoners? Treat them worse? Start death penalty for more of the accused? Let criminals free?
VoidIncarnate
Getting rid of for-profit prisons and a justice system that measures itself by successful conviction rate would be a start.
IAmAGoodPerson
Agreed. That would help.
nick224
Oh no baby, what is you doin?!
fuzznubbin
I'll put my money in a strippers butthole if I want!
ghost650
Yeah I know. I feel like I have no way of doing anything about it.
CityYeti
OMG you have no idea. Now 40 billion will be going towards some dumbass wall. Please help us!
Applepotamus
thisiswhyicanthaveanythingnice
They hate us cuz they anus.
TheKnownKnowerKnowsNothing
but at least one man could grab them by the pu...rse
digitreal
I concur.
PurpleAid
We know *sigh*
ah0bbit
Yeah like healthcare
minkuschild
500 million "disappearing" from the military budget....
CaptainObveeus
z3r0n3gr0
If you kill they should gave KILLERS a one trip to WAR with ARMY that will gave them reasons to kill
BulletHunterz
Not only America. Here in Finland, people in jail have better life than elders. Literally. They have tv and all, elders get treated like air
Roadkillonthetrunck
Uneducated, populist and false information. It's true that there are good conditions at prison but still they are not like any hotels.
PurgetheMutant
My Alzheimer grandpa is visited by nurses 3times/day - in Finland.they drink coffee, chat and play cards with him and make sure he eats
PurgetheMutant
Probably the same in the Finnish prisons though..
Roadkillonthetrunck
We have good elder care here. It's because of few bad cases which have made People think that our elder care doesn't work
DeadInMyOwnHead
As an American, I couldn't agree more. But reform is expensive. And people at the top won't change it for anything.
TakWriterOfWorlds
People at the bottom won't change. You could vote people in who talk about these issues, but "law and order" and all that.
Fuuunnky
People at top kek, "lets invade x y z tommorow", 3/4 people support it , just a overall stupid nation tbh :3
DeadInMyOwnHead
Honestly, it's our political system that's gets in the way of most things. It's so chaotic every 8 years, and public votes don't away anyone
DeadInMyOwnHead
Sway*
FrowstyWaffles
This comment shows very, very little knowledge of the American political system, and its current atmosphere.
Fuuunnky
I feel like americans are just more interested in whats trending on social platforms even if its dumb, cause they dont rly have anything els
Fuuunnky
Huh? Topics like 100 genders, statues and idk what other twitter attention seeking topics get more attention than shit like this
FrowstyWaffles
Those are just things that get publicized, also those two issues you mention are no less important than the rising cost of post secondary 1
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
So Sheriff Joe got it right with low cost tent city jails; I just think he should be in one for shitting all over the constitution.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
What he shit on?
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
He essentially instituted a "Papers Please" policy, was told it was unconstitutional, and told the judge to pound sand.
TemporaryUzername
Either he got it right, or he didn't. Pick one.
Dagordae
Why? A person can be right about one thing and wrong about others. Personally, I think he was all wrong but OP likes his tents.
TemporaryUzername
I'm asking this person to "pick one" regarding one thing, not mulitple things.
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
I did? I like jails being economical. I don't like personal rights being infringed. Joe did both. Ive been pretty consistent...
TemporaryUzername
And yet a vast majority of the military live in sweltering tents- but their rights aren't violated?
ClassicSean
I wish the govt not enforcing laws was a violation too
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
Well yeah. You make up your own laws like Arpaio; go live in a tent. You fail to uphold the laws you are paid to; go live in a tent.
RawSuger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-B7327eVk
ClassicSean
What does that have to do with what i said?
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
I'm agreeing with you? The govt not enforcing the law means that govt rep goes to tent jail. Honestly I don't know how to clarify more...
WarlocknLoad
Nothing, he's just angry.
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
I feel like I'm having a stroke... I was agreeing with the dude...
TakWriterOfWorlds
Wasn't really low cost after the tens of millions of dollars in lawsuits.
PiggyWobbles
Well the simple conservative solution is: pass laws that limit damages in lawsuits against police
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
Or payout misconduct from cop pension funds. Things will self improve when the taxpayer isn't bailing out the bad apples.
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
Trudat. But had it been run properly, it could have been a good idea. Emphasis on could.
PiggyWobbles
You mean if he hypothetically ran a real jail and not a tent prison camp?
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
He ran the tent prison like a prick. But the theory is sound. Prisoners don't need salt and pepper, but 3 squares and a cot is required.
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
No unnecessary luxuries (tv, ac, elec). Work to pay your debt. Exceptions for medical reasons and safety. Prison should be safe but uncomfy.
IronicUsername
How do you properly run a tent city jail in 100+ degree weather?
DanFendi
Or sub 50 degree weather? Asking for an East Coaster.
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
Prisons should be economical at the expense of comfort but not safety. I'm sure there is a cold weather option.
Threns
You don't unless you grossly oversimplify literally everything about the situation.
CatsAndBikesAndCarsAndBeer
Give people food shade and water and let them sweat? People can survive in the heat. I mean there were Native Americans in Arizona before AC
IronicUsername
People can survive in a lot of inhumane conditions and you're not considering those with health conditions who are more vulnerable to heat.