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djangojazz
This language isn't type safe and it's just call backs inside call backs! (Teacher grins widely and cackle laughs)
Parad0xia
Make them manage an on prem exchange server
BarryBadger
I once met a guy in Helsinki who was serving a sentence in the prison there in the city. He was out on a holiday. From prison. He had a backbag full of wine, beer and other assorted drinks. He wasn't allowed to drink during his... Holiday from prison, but he was chatting with people and giving them beers or sips of wine etc.
He told me he figured it's the weekend and having alcohol to offer was the easiest way to have friendly chats with drunken people. Hung out with him for a good while.
rowzdowr
...and you can only write it using Angular.
L0rdinquisit0r
this is finland, its one of the wealthist countries in europe if not no 1 and the people are suppoed to be very happy there.
kyro
"Happy" is a strong word to use when describing the Finns.
mystichead
Let them learn COBOL there's a dangerous shortage anyway... And it's fucking hard
MaleProstateMilker88
Maybe I should start committing crimes. You can't get to studying programming unless you already know enough of it, and getting to study something requires you to know what that program needs you to learn in case you can't do it. Like some require you to have a driver's license and I can never afford one. Getting an education through prison seems tempting at this point in my life.
Navrodel
I hate how much I, a free American, envy prisoners in other countries.
koops
0% re-offender!
pastaholic74
Just imagine if the prison system in the US focused on rehabilitation rather than retribution and warehousing people
keyserv
Could I just have the death penalty, please?
UserMad42
I suspect that second degree manslaughter is 2 years of javascript, but first degree manslaughter is 3 years!
ArgentXero
That's torture and also rehabilitation.
TranscendentMonkeyNutsRupturingAndReIeasingAVelociraptor
To be released you must configure your own vim environment, and keep it on this usb drive.
Spidey209
AAAAHHHHHH! Please, for the love of mercy, please, just execute me like we agreed!
MagnumRadhard
"You've been sentenced to 2 years on the tuba!"
"Aw, Guv!"
firehawkcultist
It's almost like in a civilized country, prison is about rehabilitation and giving the person a path out of crime once they leave prison
cabalin
Do they not have rules against cruel and unusual punishments?
Battle4ngel
"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."
-- Fyodor Dostoyevsky
johnvictor
Rehabilitation over punishment, unfortunately so many people in the USA have such a hard on for people being punished we're not likely to get to there in my lifetime.
Tengenstein
For your crimes against humanity, you will learn Haskell
n0rs
Haskell isn't too bad if you simply remember that monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
Sonicschilidogs
You made up those words, I know you did, you aren't fooling anybody
Tengenstein
He really didn't https://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/monads.html
InfocalypseRising
*cries in React*
amiurume
That's because they are trying to rehabilitate the prisoners, not just punish them. In the US the public only wants them punished and they specifically don't want to spend money helping them.
kyro
Criminal justice reform is actually an enormously popular bi-partisan subject in the US. https://www.fwd.us/news/new-polling-confirms-ongoing-support-for-criminal-justice-reform-ahead-of-november-2024-election/
American oligarchs, however, like their free prison labor. So politicians that campaign on it will ultimately do nothing about it.
Battle4ngel
I legit only ever remember US Republicans presenting themselves as the "tough on crime" party, and that idea still seems to appeal to way too many US voters. https://www.vox.com/policy/383079/california-prop-36-tough-on-crime-colorado-prop-128
Seethreepeeoh
Every Fin must also do a stint in the army. Where they do basic training.
Aefinn
Not true. Mandatory service is only for men and they can choose between army or civil services. Depending on what you are doing the time varies from 6-12 months. Source me: Finn who has done army.
thebonesofmyancestors
So what would make someone choose army over civil services. Is one easier than the other? Is there more clout for choosing one over the other?
Aefinn
Many are proud to serve their country. Also minimum time in civil service is longer than minimum time in army.
PaperinoVB
Two years of Javascript? Couldn't I choose waterboard instead?
Sonicschilidogs
Can it pal, or else you'll get a month of Assembler for bad behavior!
PaperinoVB
OK, this would be bad. Last time I touched Assembler was on the Z-80 :-(
Puolitettupuolituttu
Of course not. Waterboarding would be way too staff- intensive, do you know what wages are like in Finland?
secretdpp
Livable
JaceTiger
"JAVASCRIPT?! I'd rather have lethal injection!"
BananaForScaIe
You're lucky you didn't get stuck with A-Matter.
PaperinoVB
Could I negotiate a plea bargain for something else like... uhh... some more month, but with VB 3.0?
theyallwenttoMexico
I bet those prisons in Finland and probably most of the free world haven't privatized prisons with occupancy as the main financial driver.
Nykau
Having to take 2 years of Javascript courses sounds like clockwork orange level of torture. I can hardly think of anything more prone to create violent criminals.
theyallwenttoMexico
Oh my.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
It sounds like their goal is to reduce the number of criminals by giving them better opportunities for survival when they get out. Who is going to go back to car jacking when you have a decent job, a home, a family, etc? Happy, safe, medically sane, well-fed people don't generally commit violent crimes. The US doesn't want this, because it relies on prison slave labor, and once the petty criminals are caught, ppl would want to arrest the rich criminals, and the rich don't want that.
theyallwenttoMexico
Get out of my head! Couldn't agree more. 👍😊
Semphir
I know at least some of the nordic countries have a system where you as a prisoner are obligated to do some activities, like work, study, therapy and so on. So you're not just there doing your time.
MissSiesta
But you get PAID for working. You get a free education if you want.
HomelessAndNotAfraid
Hehehe as a programmer of 11 years, I can't think of a worse punishment
Munchman347
'On an Apple computer...'
MidasClaw
To write out your code on paper cause you're in jail and can't use a computer.
slinkydust
What do you mean those equals aren't the same thing?
nation543
Does this mean that a two year course of JavaScript would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment in the US?
ninjarnia
The real punishment is that the course only follows the latest JS trends, so the contents are changed every 3 days and they just end up writing daily boilerplate code for 2 years.
VikingHobbit
As a software developer of 19 years - I agree
dragoonwraith
PHP is far worse. I have substantial professional PHP experience I refuse to tell employers about because I’m terrified they’ll make me do more of it.
sinb
Resolving python dependency issues for an AI model project that was abandoned one year ago. 200+ interdependent packages. Then, security hardening it to be an online API by patching all vulnerabilities and bugs that have been discovered since then.
alienMutha
JavaScript is inherently evil
Beelsebooob
A NaN year course in php.
SebastianCrab
I know, right? At least let them learn a strongly typed language.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
That's for long term prisoners. First two years is JavaScript. Next two years is node. Then c++ for two years. Java the next two. Finishing off with C#.
Emrys12
That's a very weird trajectory
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
It inflicts the most pain
dffksh
Lifers get COBOL.
DoWGray
PassiveCommenter
2 years of Haskell perhaps?
Beelsebooob
No, Haskell is at least reasonably self consistent. JavaScript is a far worse torture.
VynDragon
(Embedded developer)
SSWJari
Clever, clever
kirby422
Why not include the whole front-end development? Whenever I deal with CSS, 10 minutes later I go "screw it, 90's HTML tables it is!"
HamburgerTelephone
I can. Tech support.
keraos
Tech support for an MSP.
Roorgak
We imprison people for three reasons: revenge, dissuasion, removal. Sounds like the finns worked out how to do all three.
quietwalker
Technically there's 4 reasons we jail people: it's punitive to deter future crimes, to reduce the danger to society, to enforce the concept of justice by law, and last, as retribution for the victims.
So really they got all 4, but went a bit hard on the punitive and retribution parts.
MrSpookywasagoodboy2
In the US it's for slave labor at this point
QuitLookinAtMineAim
You forgot 5: profit for the shareholders
TI99Kitty
That's just the U.S.
Roorgak
ah yep, deterrence is dissuasion, reduction of danger is removal, retribution is revenge, but I've never thought about a general reinforcement of the concepts of law / justice as a reason. To give a regime the appearance of legitimacy? To make citizens generally willing to listen to the authorities? So maybe five things :)
quietwalker
Just like the value of money, the "rule of law" is only valid as long as people collectively agree to it. Once it's obvious that it's inequal or unfair, people have no justification to follow or believe in it.
iputthefiresout
It's almost like prisons are SUPPOSED to be a place for rehabilitation
korndogg83
And JavaScript punishment - for especially heinous crimes
phonoodle415
Never went to prison but i got my GED in juvenile detention. They paid for me to take it too!
Outlavv
Some crimes cannot be rehabilitated. You cant fix a rapist or child abuser.
SavageDrums
I'm not sure I agree with that, but even for crimes where we decide that someone should never get out, the lack of freedom is the punishment. You should be treated humanely during your incarceration.
Outlavv
Prison is a joke. If it was a punishment people wouldnt go back after getting out. If you break the social contract you should lose your rights and protections within it.
Spidey209
Prisons can have many purposes. The purpose a society chooses says a lot about that society.
Mithi
... in civilised countries.
MeisterKleister
MasterMookie
You can walk out from some prisons in America with a bill.
FortifiedWhine
They can turn you into a duck???
SavageDrums
I got better...
mercyPandaRunner
It's a 6 months course.
StandingOutsideABrokenPhoneBoothWithMoneyInMyHand
But can they build a bridge out of you?
spaghettiThunderbolt
Haha, yeah! Prisoners who have committed heinous crimes don't need punishment, they need to be coddled and afforded more rights than the innocent people they've victimized! Who gives a shit about negative consequences for bad behavior, or justice for victims?
MajorasTerribleFate
The ethically-correct purpose for incarceration is to remove problematic elements from broader society to prevent further harm, not to punish the perpetrator. As I recall, studies generally show that incarceration focusing on positives (giving inmates grace, giving them opportunities to learn and grow, and affording them at least enough resources/comfort that they don't constantly exist in survival mode) leads to lower rates of recidivism. Punishment is only one possible option for correction.
L4dead2
They are a bot. Just ignore them and move on
ThrowAwayAcct0000
People aren't going to stop being hurt because the person who hurt them was punished. Justice is a silly idea in a world where nothing is ever fair. If you really want to make the world a better place, you have to figure out why the criminal was hurting people in the first place, and fix that problem in him.
spaghettiThunderbolt
The problem is that the criminal is a piece of shit who makes poor choices, and they need to be punished until they learn not to make poor choices. I'd really like to know where this whole liberal idea of "criminals are just poor, little, misunderstood babies who need a hug" comes from.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Depends. Do you consider Jesus to be liberal or conservative? Facts don't care about your feelings. Do you want to deal with your justice-porn boner, or do you actually want to stop crime? Because we've tried your method for thousands of years and it doesn't work, but the Scandinavian method does.
cdlong
From the minds of conservatives, that's where that liberal idea comes from. Not from any liberals.
PirateRubberDuck
Alienating them from society even more is surely going to result in them wanting to put the effort into following societies rules, right?
spaghettiThunderbolt
And whose fault is it that they made poor choices in the first place? Their own. So fuck 'em, lock them up again and again until they learn that bad choices have consequences.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
This method has been repeatedly shown NOT to work. The reason people commit crimes is because society has failed them. Failed to teach them properly, failed to give them the care that others received, failed to give them opportunities, and failed to appropriately disincentivize negative behavior.
spaghettiThunderbolt
No, the reason people commit crimes is because they're pieces of shit who choose to commit crimes. It's weird how the left will blame literally everyone except the person who made the conscious choice to commit a crime.
iputthefiresout
Do you want repeat offenders and intergenerational crime? Because that's how you get repeat offenders and intergenerational crime.
spaghettiThunderbolt
Repeat offenders are irredeemable pieces of shit, and no amount of coddling will change that. They choose to do bad things, and should face consequences for doing bad things. They should not be rewarded for doing bad things. I don't know how to explain this in any simpler terms.
iputthefiresout
Or go read Les Miserable. Victor Hugo had it right two hundred years ago
iputthefiresout
John Doe grew up in the inner city and dropped out of school to help his single mom. He started dealing weed to make money. Gets caught and is charged with felony possession. Realizes he made a bad choice and wants to do better. Gets released, but can't find a job because he has to check the felony box on every application. Goes back to the only thing he knows that can make money, dealing weed. Rinse, repeat. There's plenty of non-viloent felons out there who can't get honest work
spaghettiThunderbolt
Sounds like John Doe made a conscious decision to make a poor life choice, and suffered the consequences from it. There are a lot of people who are dirt poor and don't resort to felonies, because they're not pieces of shit.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Your "simple" explanation simply doesn't work in real life. It may be how you want the world to be, but it simply isn't reality. Some people need medication, some people need a lot of therapy, some people just need opportunities to get out of a horrible situation, but most criminals wouldn't be criminals if society had not failed them in some way first. This isn't coddling: this is fixing the situation instead of just hurting others so you feel better.
spaghettiThunderbolt
"Criminals wouldn't be criminals if society had not failed them in some way first." Literally could not be more wrong. Criminals are criminals because they make the conscious decision to commit crimes. The weight of that choice is on them, and them alone, and they need to be punished for those choices. It's literally basic conditioning: if your dog does something they're not supposed to, you don't give them a treat.
babutner
Simple. Something about that argument is simple and it ain't your leaps in logic.