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Source for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leOP7rWwBpw
Nov 27, 2016 1:16 AM
McWinnieThePooh
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Source for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leOP7rWwBpw
Brachen
Is that a pro Genji?
personwhotakesfleetfootwork
tfw fiora is mid or feed and she got mid
GyroPunk
Its a shame sport fencing has become so bastardized from historical sword fighting
dezrah
Seems like there's a lot of interest/curiosity about Fencing here. Anyone want a real world meet up at my club in MA?
Sitraka
Wooooooooooow why whe don't do that more time ? I mean why they didn't used lights on the swords before ???
DrexelThrash
Look at that flick of da wrist
JungleJim420
The riposte is strong with this one!
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
I used to do fencing, and one of my classmates would thrust past people, then whip the foil back hard enough that the tip got their back.
Dergs
While you were busy fencing, I was studying the bla...ohh wait.
otebear
What are those dots down the blade?
dezrah
Those are for motion tracking so they could create the visual effect. Normal Fencing equipment doesn't have that.
otebear
Yeah, I did saber and epee for about 6 years. Never saw any of that.
MillennialTriggers
Who else's back would he strike the opponent from behind?
IronBaronOfDis
Reminds me of Achilles' style in Troy.
nonickname23
I'd watch more Olympics if they did this treatment to it.
wrecklesstimes
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MancrushonThor
In real time, hell yeah
Dandolo
In real time, we'd all be demanding that somebody post a slower version, because we couldn't make it out.
nonickname23
That's what super slo-mo instant replay is for. Film it all in ultra hi-def and let people watch online.
bobbymg
Ok I'm a national b rated fencer and this isn't too rare.....
MattTimesTwenty
portmanteau79
catchy title on the link. "more enjoy fencing"
LarryButtz
I believe that position is called "Scorpion". It looks really cool and is used in stage combat.
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
Can someone shop this so it's exploding with downvotes?
oreogolem
Foiled again. (How can I be the first person to make this comment?)
POLAND0814
A lot of Anime yet into that technique.
chaf0uin
Derezzed !
ukielaemibach
That is quite the rəpōst
Memedestroyer
Touché
Ashbolt
I love tushy ;)
curiousfoolish
A nearly perfect riposte.
SeeNSaiyan
lpstubbs
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d0o0o0d
just take the damn upvote.
commoncomment
Are those Elder Swords?
Fuzzynubz
Close. Modified agonizers.
SgtMichaelCross
I think they meant because they reassemble the elder wand.
TywinStannister
"Fencer"
DanSwizzle
I did fencing for several years. It's a lot of fun and a great workout. If it wasn't for blowing out my knee in college I would still going.
BoopusMcSquishy
Oof that sounds terrible, what happened?
Stockyhome
His fencing company required too much legwork
DanSwizzle
I was climbing things that shouldn't be climbed and fell hard onto a dumpster. Lol.
temobuttdive
I wish I had stuck with fencing. But my instructor was always hitting on my mom
Flyndaran
"Touche." is probably what he wanted to do.
jnoahj
Was she into it or was he being a little rapier?
temobuttdive
She was clearly uncomfortable but kept it to herself bc I had really wanted to learn and his class was the only one we could afford
temobuttdive
I just noticed that pun and now I hate myself
darsebas
foil is a THRUST weapon not a SLASH/THRUST like sabre. the hit area is only torso therefore there was no reason to guard so hard
darsebas
high* not hard
sinbios
Except, y'know, over the shoulder hits exist.
darsebas
A simple quarte or sixte guard would have been more than enough to parry and counter. Then again thsi is olympic they dont care about form
BenSpacey
This was from a video specifically designed to advertise fencing not the Olympics, it is exaggerated but even then no fencer is perfect
darsebas
This is still olympic style fencing which greatly differs from classical which emphasises control and form Olympic all that matters is a hit
Whodawhata
While that's awesome, they are wide open
Shineupordown
He also blocks the guys hit in the same time
jagerben47
Sport fencing doesn't care as much about being open to attack, it's about getting the point first. HEMA on the other hand is a mans sport.
jagerben47
Like Russian roulette every day, with a bullet called life.
did4321
It's been done, it works, it doesn't, it's situational, like every move.
did4321
But like someone already said the move is now illegal.
thatDnDNERD
The Turks often did something like this and it worked quite often they had the sheathe in the other hand to block with though... So.
theREALmoose
He's blocking the attack though
JDRingo
Right?
Leithoa
Until the other guy/gal uses his dying act to also run him through. Fencing is a sport not self defense.
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Leithoa
It's only blocked according to the rules. There's sufficient time after being stabbed to reposition & attack.
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theREALmoose
Duh
Sticklebrickk
To be fair, it both narrows their hit marker and is unexpected. This move is reserved when opponent has concentration on a big lunge.
TheFirstSineOfMadness
Or generally in close quarters. Options are either, around the back, pull arm back and jab again, or simply back up. Over the head works too
Sticklebrickk
Anywhere out of the peripheral vision, and especially those masks. I'd like to see fencing with PVC or something with a smaller mask.
TheFirstSineOfMadness
The masks actually don't obstruct vision as much as you'd think, and the flexible blades require more skill as you have less control at tip.
TheFirstSineOfMadness
But I see your point
McWinnieThePooh
From what I understand, this ad/these effects were made to interest people in fencing, and doing fancy stuff like spinning does look cool :P
firehawkcultist
actual it's a fairly common move in foil and epee to run past the opponent and flick behind your back to try to get a touch as you pass.
ChuckNastyy
It worked
Hetuni
Why it worked? 1. It's staged, 2. The guy on the right just held his fencing epee up uselessly, and was going really slowly too.
TheFirstSineOfMadness
Having fenced for 3 years I can say it's actually a legit move. Getting in close crowds the opponent and a quick flick around the back 1/2
TheFirstSineOfMadness
2/2 is a nice finisher for those experienced enough to pull it off (myself excluded). Otherwise you'd have to pull your arm back to "remise"
Baaconfish
Having fenced for 11 years and taken part in several EM/VM qualifiers, you are not allowed to pull your secondary hand in front of torso
Baaconfish
It is however legal if you dont lead with the shoulder and dont drag the hand in front of the torso. Then it's just hard.
newsguycraigevans
The hell is the guy on the right doing? Looks like he's going in to slap the ass.
ThevoiceofLarok
No this is a real move not used that often though. You can only hit with the tip so when you get in close you have to get creative to hit
MechaGandalf
but how do you claim their skull with a maneuver like that?
TheLegendarySuperStrayan
Just the tip?
TheFirstSineOfMadness
Depending on the weapon
TheFirstSineOfMadness
Foil + épée = only tip. Saber = entire blade but mostly just edge. Foil aims for chest, épée whole body, saver above waste.
Deathfrombelow
So... just the tip, then. Niiiice.
UncomfortableTruths
Which is silly, considering real rapiers have an edge across the entire blade.
ForeverIrrelevantUsername
This is Foil, which is, yes, only sharpened at the tip. While there is competitive Rapier fencing, Foil is most common.
cgreulich
I believe fencing started out with Foils or Epees. Rapiers were a later development where they added a blade. In any case, they're different
UncomfortableTruths
Fair enough.
spookyactionatadistance
Fencing is so far from actual swordplay
ZeroaFFXIV
I've seen my friend bruises from fencing, broken ribs too. Brutal as fuck.
MightyShoePrint
Oh, And I suppose you also think Call of Duty isn't very much like being in the actual military?
Flyndaran
Like virtually every hand to hand martial art. Even famous ones are not really useful in a fight compared to the few pragmatic styles.
Sheepyhead
I stopped because it was too limited. It's the same reason I don't like boxing
SilverSpades
...why would anyone expect it to be?
MagnorCriol
While they were wasting time studying fencing, did you master the blade?
fitlex
Bring back the wax bullet pistol duels!
ZeroaFFXIV
I've seen my friend bruises from fencing, broken ribs too. Brutal as fuck.
Flyndaran
Most dangerous sport is gymnastics. But I doubt anyone would say it's useful in a fight.
ZeroaFFXIV
In a match up id bet on the dude with the metal rod.
Flyndaran
I bet a few former gymnasts have quite a few metal rods... attached to bones.
Contundo
However very close to rapier swordplay. Witch uses the same principles
Selerox
Except for the fact that rapiers are *nothing like* the car aerials modern fencers use. Rapiers are large swords.
InJenius
And sabre fencing is fairly similar to one handed sword fighting. That shit is intense!
Meloncov
There's certainly some overlap, but many fencing techniques would not work in an actual smallsword duel, and vice-versa.
InJenius
Well no shit, your life isnt on the line. It originates with pre-gun dueling. Hence why they still use Epee's, essentially rapiers
Flyndaran
Rapiers were functional swords though. Those aren't just blunt foils, but far more flexible less dangerous than real late era rapiers.
needyomega
Yes, but fencing has ultimately been boiled down to electric tag and likewise is very watered down compared to true HEMA.
Meloncov
Kinda silly to talk about "true HEMA". Olympic fencing isn't trying and failing to be HEMA. It's a sport.
JohnnyGossamer
How intensely did you stroke your neckbeard as you posted that?
needyomega
I just wish I had more lube for faster stroking action.
InJenius
Because all you need to do in a swordfight is touch the opp and let the blade do the rest. Theres also Foil and Sabre fencing
Meloncov
It's not the light touch that makes olympic fencing unlike sword fighting, it's the scoring system/tolerance for double hits.
OddSox
Epee exists if you want "realism." Sabre and foil are just much faster thanks to the rules, imo they're more fun to fence.
dezrah
"true HEMA"? Sigh. The only thing like an actual swordfight is an actual swordfight. Everything else has rules and structures for safety.
Meloncov
True, but there are differences of degree. Sport fencing has rules that remove it from sword fighting that aren't necessary for safety (1)
Meloncov
as sport fencing isn't trying to simulate anything. A HEMA bout obviously isn't truly equivalent to a fight with sharps, but a larger (2)
SoloToplaneOnly
The meaning of the word Fencing comes from "defending, act of protecting". There is no parrying going on in the Olympics. Just two people 1
SoloToplaneOnly
jousting each other. You have to at least consider that this 'double kill' aspct looks detached from actual swordfight, where 2
BenSpacey
You've obviously don't know what you're talking about, even in foil parrying is still incredibly important
Xantos747
Fencer here, that move actually is now illegal since you cant lead with your shoulder.
DoNotGiveAFuck
Was about to post that my self. I ref so if people do this I am not happy
dezrah
Thank you so much for being a Ref!
DoNotGiveAFuck
Nice to be thanked!
dezrah
It's sincere, you folks are saints. Our kids and parents are pretty good, but when we host, I've seen some nightmares.
DoNotGiveAFuck
I was being sincere as well normally I get people arguing with me over points. Fencing is great but we are competitive bunch
sinbios
Wait what? When did they change that?
Xantos747
It was actually this last year for foil.
dezrah
As Aantorad already posted: http://www.usfencing.org/news_article/show/677548-foil-rule-change-for-2016-17-season
DoooogFooooort
Damn, I used that a couple times in college. Worked once...
Stostri
It's awesome when it works, but good luck getting it to work. Might be why giving your opponent your back is discouraged by every tradition.
Xantos747
http://www.usfencing.org/news_article/show/677548-foil-rule-change-for-2016-17-season the sauce
ZZhillTopper
This is why I mostly stick with epee to many rules in foil to much of the match is in the hands of the judge.
SmoothCanadianOperator
And post the same comment multiple times so everyone sees this ever so important information.
ZZhillTopper
posted twice because I saw it was applicable twice and I thought since this is an older post it would increase the chance that someone 1/2
ZZhillTopper
might see it. Because I'd like to get a current foilest's take on this because I thought it would be interesting. No intention to offend 2/2
olympicfencing
Epee is in the hands of the judge too; they have to make fewer decisions, but those decisions are more important.
dezrah
Well, for super-humans, there's always the Chamley-Watson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvQKvF33ELk
hypersabotage
Shame about the whole shoulder swapping business, at least it does heavily discourage infighting.
sinbios
Infighting's the only thing that makes foil fun to watch though.
Xantos747
There are other ways to infight. Took me a while and a ton of stretching
hypersabotage
Note: "heavily discourage" ;) we all have our tricks
MoreCowBellBaby
Please teach me the rules. It looks neat, but I know nothing of it
Xantos747
Well there is a lot I might make a post about it soon as my first post
LiTMac
Hey, it could be worse. They took sabre out back and shot it. Now I'm left fencing this sad excuse of what sabre once was.
hypersabotage
Yeah... you just about nailed it, some people in my club who do sabre and disappointment is just about the right descriptive atmosphere.
SmellOfMonkey
I used to fence in the 90s and it wasn't allowed then (you couldn't turn your back)
SmellOfMonkey
And unless they've stopped using spools the guy would have caughts his foil on the wire
Gargusuz
He is still sideways, I would give the point.
WhiteTexan
Why should we believe a guy about this who just builds fences?
Xantos747
Lol posted a source XD
MancrushonThor
Fencing has too many rules! Just fight to the death for heaven's sake!
ZZhillTopper
This is why I mostly stick with epee to many rules in foil to much of the match is in the hands of the judge.
WorldWolf
Welcome to HEMA
HailLordCthulhu
No one wants this more than literally ever sabre fencer. No fancy pansy bs the other two have - just two peoples with swords going at it.
LookAtThisGraph
Ha, gayyyyyyyyy
HailLordCthulhu
I regret my wording.
massInsomnia
Hey is it worth taking up as a sport? I love swords and think being able to use one would be cool
dezrah
YES, and as far as Fencing vs. other sword sports, Fencing was developed as a teaching game, so it's a great foundation for any combat sport
superatheist
Kendo might be more your cup of tea
dezrah
If you're worried about strict rules, Kendo is the last place you want to go. Don't get me wrong, the discipline is what I love about it.
massInsomnia
Not too worried about strict rules, what's the difference between kendo and fencing?
dezrah
Major difference: Kendo is a sport version of Japanese sword arts while fencing is the sport version of European small sword arts...
Opalin
It's quite fun, but be aware that there are a LOT of rules, to the point where it's frequently described as a mental chess match.
varsipieru
Whereas traditional chess is mostly physical sport. Like billiards and darts, too.
Opalin
combat chess is quite physical, as is chess boxing. :p
LaVulpe
Was a saber captain for four years, it's a blast but it's not like any other form of sword fighting. A bout usually lasts a few seconds.
LaVulpe
If you can remember the trope where people constantly try to think what the other is thinking, do that in about 2 seconds and you're fencing
massInsomnia
Seems cool, is it hard to learn?
LaVulpe
The concept is simple, performance is much harder. The movements are simple and effective, but few options and little time to think.