Banks too big to fail...BS. Boeing needs to be broken up, like GE . These cartels / monopolies are killing the working person,and only the mega wealthy gain and gain and gain again. Don't believe the hype..no matter how hard or smart you work, you won't be rich. It's no democrat against republican, it's should be billionaires and the wealthy against everyone else.
Are they talking about pushing it to the limit? Like, who's going to push it first? How hard are they going to push it? Maybe at the same time? Once they push it to the limit, do they dare push it further? Will Salt n/or Pepa be pushing it as well? Damn it man, what are they saying?
If we didn't have all this massive defense spending and we were attacked then everybody would be crying about why didn't the government do anything about it
Right, but AppleCrispCraver had already made the point about how the $300B number compared to the larger market. Hence my focus on defense contractors.
I understand what you’re trying to say but you gotta pick better numbers. $300B is a rounding error; the NYSE alone has a total market cap of $25 *trillion.*
Indeed, anti-American propaganda has made people associate "Military Industrial Complex" with America, but in reality many countries have their own MIC, and for their economies war is much more important than for America, which has a diverse economy with many sectors that will suffer from war.
America's MIC, as you put it, is bigger in absolute and relative terms than the next, what, five countries put together? If you don't see how that scale makes a difference, you're not thinking about what you write.
And yet it's smaller in terms of % of GDP, meaning that it's less important for the US economy than for others like Russia, which also heavily benefits from other consequences of war like higher oil and wheat prices.
That bill counter wouldn't do the $300,000,000,000 At 600 bills per minute, and $100 notes, it'd take 5,000,000 minutes to count - NEARLY 10 YEARS TO COUNT!
It's so fucking annoying how much tucson sucks Raytheon dick too I'm the only one living here that complains about them everyone else is like "they support our community"
So instead of launching missiles, firing tanks, killing children, why dont we just... build the tanks, toss them in the ocean. Build the missiles, toss them in the ocean. Not kill the children. War stimulates the economy the way a hurricane or tornado stimulates the economy.
No, your reasoning is the dipshittery. After WW2 the American economy exploded because most of Europe had been exploded and we were one of the only countries making shit to send places.
That's the biggest broken window fallacy anyone has ever made, and the fact it collectively rests in people's minds is a good example on how well propaganda works even on "smart" people.
The theory is fundamentally wrong by claiming it generates value to destroy value. The window is broken and unusable and needs to be replaced, costing resources. Value was lost. None was generated. The supply chain and the need versus production was there before it, the broken window didn't create it. You can only prove the broken window theory right by ignoring the fundamentals or misrepresenting either statistics or the meaning of the word "value."
well yeah. the US finally got out of our last forever war and they cant let their fucking gravy train end. so lets start world war fucking 3 i guess. /sigh
No. The WW3 takes are stupid, alarmist and almost universally from uniformed idiots that couldn't tell you the difference between an MRBM and ICBM but suddenly know enough to declare WW3 imminent.
Yeah didn't think so. They had a similar reaction the last time Iran and the US were on the brink of war back in January 2020. Russia has no reason to back Iran because Russia is itself an oil-exporting nation so conflict in the Strait of Hormuz is good for them. China has no reason to back Iran because they've been investing in pipelines to bring Saudi oil direct to the Indian Ocean, so their supplies aren't threatened.
Honestly some good cod like bo1 and 2 were addictive until hackers took them over and ruined the servers for the players. These hackers were *totally* not treyarch themselves whose new obvious shitty games the fans wouldn't even touch.
Expectations. If people expect a first-person shooter and get 30 second reload times, they'll be upset. Battlefield One was set in famously bolt-action rifle-heavy WWI, and even they put in a ton of rare and experimental weapons, to not confine their players to that.
Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the people doing their 5th playthrough of skyrim are completely different people than the ones lining up to buy the same(but totally different and totally worth $70) COD game for the 15th time.
The only path I see to that kind of escalation is if China decides they really want to support Iran for some reason, and think it’s important enough to sacrifice their high-tech economy. No other nation has the influence needed to force the U.S. into a full global conflict.
Lots of wars in the past 70 years have been proxy wars, maybe even most wars have been. You can especially tell when it isn't a proxy war when it only lasts a few days or weeks, like the Falklands War in the 80s and the US invasion of Panama in the 90s.
There has been a concerted and *massively successful* brainfucking propaganda effort over the last century or so to shift as much weight from morally bankrupt corporate behavior onto the "big bad government". But there is one major thing we can blame the government for: Allowing themselves to be captured by rotten capitalistic corporate monstrosities. The US government is basically owned & run by the billionaire parasite class. Corporate lobbies basically make US policy.
Would not be surprised. I copy/pasted this comment few days back, since english is not my primary language & I felt that core principles are explained quite precisely, updated version should be "centuries" ;;
the whole 'last 100 years' is common really.. trickle down used to be horse and sparrow etc. just wanted to say it's definitely been going on for longer than 100 years, not to criticize your post
The problem being that corporations and oligarchs have spent that last century inching their influence on each successive offering of aspiring politicians, convincing each that a few inches further than the guy before them wasn't a big deal. The net result being modern politicians have reached the logical conclusion of that journey and are frequently irredeemable compromised, if not outright corrupt.
Is it crazy that this sounds like you're paraphrasing Eisenhower in his final speech as president, updated for 65 years of Military Industrial Complexing
It's like the carbon era, there's nothing that can really eat corporate power, so they are laying down a layer of refuse that'll be compressed and a part of our future social structure.
How can we have a proper society after this period of inhumanity?
Ive been thinking recently, it's unsurprising lobbying hasn't been banned because campaigns take money from doners to advertise to gain support. What doner/lobbyist/corp is gonna fund a campaign to reduce their influence? It's a terrible position we're in :(, this door should never have been opened.
And whenever the corporations massively fuck up the economy, we blame people in charge of the government for not running the economy they don't even run well enough.
Or if they let their trains derail causing massive ecological harm to the area the government let's the corporations investigate themselves and what do you know, they did nothing wrong
This kind of humor is part of the propaganda. The joke has to be that only terrifying violence will change anything, so that no one will try to change things even a little. "The government is owned by..." is another line cooked up in a think tank to ensure that the masses never think of trying to fix government, only destroying it.
Sounds about right. In this logic is it some sort of ww3, global warming/planet get fried, full reset scenario most likely ? There must be a reason why doomsday bunkers type of video are trending on yt ://
The truth often lies somewhere between the two narratives. Portraying the fight against oligarchs, greed, authoritarianism, etc. as futile and morally bankrupt is indeed a narrative that's pushed to take the wind out of the sales of change. However, dark humor, appealing to our common plight, and the (real) threat of a few of the prime offenders getting turned into human confetti, are all very realistic ways to call attention to the need for drastic changes.
so there is a catch that is being taught in most expensive economic schools - USA bank is an actual company with a registration number & everything(implication ia that real owners of such company actually run the country) since every politician is bought -- it does not matter who is elected. It is illusion of choice that You pointed out ;
so, none of these systems actually work, solution is, probably, some sort of decentralized system, variation on which human kind has never seen, because, well, point one. 3/3
didnt work cos in reality it was authoritorian BS with working class run by military obsessed politicians, Russia as it is right now will never be called democratic, same as China, only there politic/private capital is somewhat better combined that, again, allows the execute genocides, unethical business practices(all those crazy industrial graveyards etc.) South Korea(where Samsung is from) has one of the highest suicide rates(weird Buddhism for religion) so 2/3
1. very simple version - power of love most override love for power.(Hendrix) 2. It means that none of existing systems have ever worked - government/religious systems - think medieval Europe - kings in gold with peasants working their *** off, what is called democracy nowadays is very smart enmeshment of government/private capital - think how America/Canada are built on literal genocide(for centuries) and slavery - segragation in US ended barely half a century ago, comunism as soviet union 1/1
Ok i see lots of complaining and no solution, what is the soluyion, what should people do to make a change? Its easy to complain and not give a solution.
CurbYourClassWar
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Uknomad11
Banks too big to fail...BS. Boeing needs to be broken up, like GE . These cartels / monopolies are killing the working person,and only the mega wealthy gain and gain and gain again. Don't believe the hype..no matter how hard or smart you work, you won't be rich. It's no democrat against republican, it's should be billionaires and the wealthy against everyone else.
FrankRizzo55
Are they talking about pushing it to the limit? Like, who's going to push it first? How hard are they going to push it? Maybe at the same time? Once they push it to the limit, do they dare push it further? Will Salt n/or Pepa be pushing it as well? Damn it man, what are they saying?
afambelafonte
disdabon
Please tell me this is AI.
RichardHardley
War criminals for a century.
reineseele
*coughs Fallout tv series*
TimmyTimm
Push it to the limit.
VodkaReindeer
Oh, did they pass the Ukraine support package? Great news!
DdCno1
That's the other sign of the military industrial complex coin. Every once in a while, the arsenal of democracy does what it's supposed to be doing.
Tellenue
Remember, the US defense budget is also the EU defense budget and Japanese defense budget and South Korean defense budget and Indian defense budget...
Also the defense budget is 50% weapons and death and 50% foreign aid and support. Guess which half gets the first cuts when the budget gets lowered?
Ploty
USA dragged into war step by step, could it be election time......?
drakkaris12718
Corruption should be a capital offense. More people have died to it than any other crime.
Fauxcused
If we didn't have all this massive defense spending and we were attacked then everybody would be crying about why didn't the government do anything about it
smoothaseggs
Yup - $300B (market cap) industry just in the US
thatguyisreallydeep
Which market are you looking at, specifically? Just Raytheon + Honeywell + Lockheed Martin have a combined market cap of about $369B.
barnwolf
Just google(alphabet) has a market of like $2 trillion.
thatguyisreallydeep
Right, but AppleCrispCraver had already made the point about how the $300B number compared to the larger market. Hence my focus on defense contractors.
barnwolf
And I'm just adding some numeric context for that $300B number.
AppleCrispCraver
I understand what you’re trying to say but you gotta pick better numbers. $300B is a rounding error; the NYSE alone has a total market cap of $25 *trillion.*
57rescraft9
https://youtu.be/9D-QD_HIfjA?si=E_HJSIccEdU_Co_x
pr3viso
Don't forget, now that the world is coming to an end, preachers, media companies, insurance, Exxon ,everyone is going to make a bucket of money.
NunyaBizness
JoeMAMAaa
pnutzgg
I would watch this show
DdCno1
Apparently it's official: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/La-Z_Rider_couch_gag
SirRichardOfHead
Fucking sublime!
WhiskyBravo
awesome to the max!
morningxafter
coffin1987
StudioDerpster
Yes, but do not count out the war machines of authoritarianism. They will not stop if we do. Downvote away.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Indeed, anti-American propaganda has made people associate "Military Industrial Complex" with America, but in reality many countries have their own MIC, and for their economies war is much more important than for America, which has a diverse economy with many sectors that will suffer from war.
DirigibleOtter
Anti-American propaganda? You mean noted anti-American (checks notes) President Dwight Eisenhower?
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Eisenhower said only America has a MIC? You didn't think about anything I wrote.
DirigibleOtter
America's MIC, as you put it, is bigger in absolute and relative terms than the next, what, five countries put together? If you don't see how that scale makes a difference, you're not thinking about what you write.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
And yet it's smaller in terms of % of GDP, meaning that it's less important for the US economy than for others like Russia, which also heavily benefits from other consequences of war like higher oil and wheat prices.
Pizza0Style0Burrito
That bill counter wouldn't do the $300,000,000,000
At 600 bills per minute, and $100 notes, it'd take 5,000,000 minutes to count -
NEARLY 10 YEARS TO COUNT!
Eat the rich.
normalizebeingalone
It's so fucking annoying how much tucson sucks Raytheon dick too I'm the only one living here that complains about them everyone else is like "they support our community"
HeadFullOfEmpty
So Fallout was right then?
PeterParkerPickedAPeckOfPickledPeppers
War is THE best economic stimulator. Ww2 got us out of the great depression. Roaring 20s after ww1. Etc.
EternallyIgnorant
So instead of launching missiles, firing tanks, killing children, why dont we just... build the tanks, toss them in the ocean. Build the missiles, toss them in the ocean. Not kill the children. War stimulates the economy the way a hurricane or tornado stimulates the economy.
PeterParkerPickedAPeckOfPickledPeppers
Your arguments are with history, not with me. Dipshits.
EternallyIgnorant
You made an assertion of what history is. Our argument is that your assertion of what history is incorrect.
Nonada
No, your reasoning is the dipshittery. After WW2 the American economy exploded because most of Europe had been exploded and we were one of the only countries making shit to send places.
Eldis
That's the biggest broken window fallacy anyone has ever made, and the fact it collectively rests in people's minds is a good example on how well propaganda works even on "smart" people.
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Eldis
The theory is fundamentally wrong by claiming it generates value to destroy value. The window is broken and unusable and needs to be replaced, costing resources. Value was lost. None was generated. The supply chain and the need versus production was there before it, the broken window didn't create it. You can only prove the broken window theory right by ignoring the fundamentals or misrepresenting either statistics or the meaning of the word "value."
WillemHellfire
As an aside, this flick did not age well. For me at least.
DdCno1
What's your opinion on the game they made based on Scarface? It rejuvenated my enjoyment of the movie.
certainlynotaserialkiller
most 80s movies dont. there are only few exeptions
FrankRizzo55
Most 80s movies are rad
Redyls
well yeah. the US finally got out of our last forever war and they cant let their fucking gravy train end. so lets start world war fucking 3 i guess. /sigh
3Davideo
WW3? Are Russia or China getting involved for some reason?
BrdCdn
No. The WW3 takes are stupid, alarmist and almost universally from uniformed idiots that couldn't tell you the difference between an MRBM and ICBM but suddenly know enough to declare WW3 imminent.
3Davideo
Yeah didn't think so. They had a similar reaction the last time Iran and the US were on the brink of war back in January 2020. Russia has no reason to back Iran because Russia is itself an oil-exporting nation so conflict in the Strait of Hormuz is good for them. China has no reason to back Iran because they've been investing in pipelines to bring Saudi oil direct to the Indian Ocean, so their supplies aren't threatened.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Global chaos and war may allow china to seize Taiwan. They would very much like to get ahold of TSMC.
Noughmad
No, Russia is definitely not involved in any war. /s
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
There is a world outside America you know. Not every war is a consequence of americabad.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
I mean both the current Iran and Israel are a direct result of the United States.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
And many other factors which you are ignoring.
DirigibleOtter
More than their fair share are, though.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
No, you just have no understanding of the world, and listen to too much anti-American propaganda.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Well, all the new FPS need to come from somewhere. No one's gonna pay for 'Call of Duty: Flintlock'.
WombBruiser69
That actually sounds fun
PlaceHolderTitle
It's called Holdfast: Nations at War and that game is actually pretty fun.
Redyls
why not? people still play skyrim and thats just swinging a digital sword. lol
pareidoliaperson
Honestly some good cod like bo1 and 2 were addictive until hackers took them over and ruined the servers for the players. These hackers were *totally* not treyarch themselves whose new obvious shitty games the fans wouldn't even touch.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Expectations. If people expect a first-person shooter and get 30 second reload times, they'll be upset. Battlefield One was set in famously bolt-action rifle-heavy WWI, and even they put in a ton of rare and experimental weapons, to not confine their players to that.
HamSlamwich
Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the people doing their 5th playthrough of skyrim are completely different people than the ones lining up to buy the same(but totally different and totally worth $70) COD game for the 15th time.
OaksParcel
The back and forth violence between Israel and Iran isn't even close to being World War 3, but I share your frustration.
Einstein9073
Do you think the next step after Tel Aviv & Tehran have turned into glowing craters is not World War 3?
Tarmaccian
The only path I see to that kind of escalation is if China decides they really want to support Iran for some reason, and think it’s important enough to sacrifice their high-tech economy. No other nation has the influence needed to force the U.S. into a full global conflict.
MadamPuddifoot
I mean it's a proxy war between the US and Iran, since we fund Israel.
morningxafter
Between the US and Russia since they fund Iran.
OaksParcel
Lots of wars in the past 70 years have been proxy wars, maybe even most wars have been. You can especially tell when it isn't a proxy war when it only lasts a few days or weeks, like the Falklands War in the 80s and the US invasion of Panama in the 90s.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
So any sort of military aid is now a proxy war?
MadamPuddifoot
When it's being used to blow up things in another country? Yes.
proxy5000
There has been a concerted and *massively successful* brainfucking propaganda effort over the last century or so to shift as much weight from morally bankrupt corporate behavior onto the "big bad government". But there is one major thing we can blame the government for: Allowing themselves to be captured by rotten capitalistic corporate monstrosities. The US government is basically owned & run by the billionaire parasite class. Corporate lobbies basically make US policy.
AwwWrecker
PARK LIFE!
unamailer
Yes
azarza
longer than the last century.. this was a huge problem for the late 19th century with iron barons etc
proxy5000
Would not be surprised. I copy/pasted this comment few days back, since english is not my primary language & I felt that core principles are explained quite precisely, updated version should be "centuries" ;;
azarza
the whole 'last 100 years' is common really.. trickle down used to be horse and sparrow etc. just wanted to say it's definitely been going on for longer than 100 years, not to criticize your post
PirateArrrgument
The problem being that corporations and oligarchs have spent that last century inching their influence on each successive offering of aspiring politicians, convincing each that a few inches further than the guy before them wasn't a big deal. The net result being modern politicians have reached the logical conclusion of that journey and are frequently irredeemable compromised, if not outright corrupt.
proxy5000
Fidregore
Is it crazy that this sounds like you're paraphrasing Eisenhower in his final speech as president, updated for 65 years of Military Industrial Complexing
RonaldRaygun13
Hmmm up until this point I had no idea
Nobanob
saganworshipper
Ike warning
GnomeDeGuerre
It's like the carbon era, there's nothing that can really eat corporate power, so they are laying down a layer of refuse that'll be compressed and a part of our future social structure.
How can we have a proper society after this period of inhumanity?
proxy5000
Well, that is the question. There are actual explanations in detail if you google up "billionaires are failure of humankind."
geekykeycap
Ive been thinking recently, it's unsurprising lobbying hasn't been banned because campaigns take money from doners to advertise to gain support. What doner/lobbyist/corp is gonna fund a campaign to reduce their influence? It's a terrible position we're in :(, this door should never have been opened.
proxy5000
dennydorko
And whenever the corporations massively fuck up the economy, we blame people in charge of the government for not running the economy they don't even run well enough.
vcgetdown
Or if they let their trains derail causing massive ecological harm to the area the government let's the corporations investigate themselves and what do you know, they did nothing wrong
reineseele
If only there was a show that showed us what happens if the (weapon) industry has only an interest in war... *hints FALLOUT*
proxy5000
ahh, reminds that "doomsdays bunkers" videos have been trending on youtube for few years now D
macgerdo
Can we also take the game? Like, the thing that was there about 20 years before the show?
macgerdo
...since the original comment points out that these problems started a little bit earlier than the fallout show aired.
reineseele
As a gamer. Yes. But to get more people into it i suggest the TV version. ^^
littlefoxpounce
If only there are something we could do about it ** tries to kick a tarp over a wood chipper **
littlefoxpounce
*were. My God, I hate coming back to comments I made, only to realize I had an autocorrect I didn't notice until an hour later
MKESewerRat
This kind of humor is part of the propaganda. The joke has to be that only terrifying violence will change anything, so that no one will try to change things even a little. "The government is owned by..." is another line cooked up in a think tank to ensure that the masses never think of trying to fix government, only destroying it.
proxy5000
Sounds about right. In this logic is it some sort of ww3, global warming/planet get fried, full reset scenario most likely ? There must be a reason why doomsday bunkers type of video are trending on yt ://
littlefoxpounce
Me wishing billionaires just didn't exist: part of the propaganda
spookyu
The truth often lies somewhere between the two narratives. Portraying the fight against oligarchs, greed, authoritarianism, etc. as futile and morally bankrupt is indeed a narrative that's pushed to take the wind out of the sales of change. However, dark humor, appealing to our common plight, and the (real) threat of a few of the prime offenders getting turned into human confetti, are all very realistic ways to call attention to the need for drastic changes.
livingonagiantfireball
And how do we vote that out? The dems or repubs wont fix that...
proxy5000
so there is a catch that is being taught in most expensive economic schools - USA bank is an actual company with a registration number & everything(implication ia that real owners of such company actually run the country) since every politician is bought -- it does not matter who is elected. It is illusion of choice that You pointed out ;
proxy5000
so, none of these systems actually work, solution is, probably, some sort of decentralized system, variation on which human kind has never seen, because, well, point one. 3/3
livingonagiantfireball
So how do you get rid of that problem?
proxy5000
didnt work cos in reality it was authoritorian BS with working class run by military obsessed politicians, Russia as it is right now will never be called democratic, same as China, only there politic/private capital is somewhat better combined that, again, allows the execute genocides, unethical business practices(all those crazy industrial graveyards etc.) South Korea(where Samsung is from) has one of the highest suicide rates(weird Buddhism for religion) so 2/3
proxy5000
1. very simple version - power of love most override love for power.(Hendrix) 2. It means that none of existing systems have ever worked - government/religious systems - think medieval Europe - kings in gold with peasants working their *** off, what is called democracy nowadays is very smart enmeshment of government/private capital - think how America/Canada are built on literal genocide(for centuries) and slavery - segragation in US ended barely half a century ago, comunism as soviet union 1/1
livingonagiantfireball
Ok i see lots of complaining and no solution, what is the soluyion, what should people do to make a change? Its easy to complain and not give a solution.