Iirc these aren't Krampus, and this vid's a couple years old but these are usually parades to chase off the spirits of winter (historically ofc). These are usually called Perchten which are a different lore from Krampus. Some of it overlaps though https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percht
On a family vacation as a young boy, my bed was in the 'living room' of where we were staying, with the only TV. So I was up late, until I fell asleep, watching TV after my parents and sister went to bed. This movie was on, and all I could remember the next day was the goat leggings, I was also doing the dance. My parents looked at me like I was crazy. Two decades later, I happened to be watching Dragnet and did the Leo Dicaprio point meme. Vindication! I wasn't crazy!
Funny people around here - they celebrate Christmas on the 24th, so none of them get any presents as Santa doesn't do early deliveries. Silly Sausages think it's because they're the Wurst, hence Krampus.
Seems odd. We celebrate on the 24th here in Norway too, but traditionally, Santa actually comes to the door with a sack of gifts and stays for a while to hand out to the children before leaving again.
Silly Americans. Of course Santa comes on the 7th here. On Christmas the Spirit of Christmas(an Angel we call "Christkind") descends and brings even better gifts than Santa. Also, unlike Santa it's non-judgemental, it will not look into it's biog book, standing in front of you, reading to you what you did over the year. To then pass judgement if you are worthy of gift or coal. Yeah, Santa was always a bit like the Elf on the shelf, but worse.
Back in the day, Zwarte Piet would accompany Saint Nicholas into your village.
The whole village would show-up. Zwarte Piet would single out the Bully child, assault them. They got sacked (Shang Highed) and were carried-off to Spain.
** Can't Edit these posts** Saint Nicholas would be given the Good & Naughty list from the villagers. Zwarte Piet would single out the Bully child, assault them. They got sacked (Shang Highed) and were carried-off to Spain.
It's a traditional Austrian activity, so it's not in any functional way regulated. And it happens every now and then that someone's furs do catch fire. Apparently, natural furs are much less dangerous around fire than faux furs (i.e. they burn much less readily), but I basically read about someone's costume catching fire every year. (Source: Swiss, with family in Austria.)
Most of these clips show the traditional Alpine-German Perchtenlauf, although this tradition is increasingly conflated with the Krampus figure. In some locations it's already called Krampuslauf or Krampusumzug. Either way, there is nothing "demonic" about it. Perchten (singular Percht) are nature spirits, and the purpose of this noisy parade is to drive out evil spirits. Christians gave their devil figure horns and hooves at some point specifically to demonize deities like Pan or Cernunnos and …
Isn't it also a fertility rite? At least the part where they're hitting the young women with their rods? As far as I know they don't hit all passersby but aimed for the young ladies and those tended to tease the ones carying the rods to hit them.
Not so much, the only fertility rite about it is that in those customes it's often teenagers. And teenagers do what they always do obviously. Other than that Broccoli already mentioned how Perchten and Krampus are being convoluted over time, and Krampus (or his helpers) traditionally hit the bad children. I say 'traditionally' but not in a long lasting historical sense, more like what we and our parents experienced as kids respectively
other horned mythological figures. It gave them a pretext for killing priests and druids, cutting down sacred trees, destroying sites of Pagan worship and banning traditions such as this one which survived despite all pearl-clutching and persecution. And they're still at it. Everything that bothers their irrational sensitivies – D&D, heavy metal etc. – is labeled demonic or satanic. Just as ridiculous as the conservative-christian idea that everything except the extreme pol. right is communism.
Oh boy, I copied this text as reference, in case of my Christian friends starts a rant about Krampus or Tschäggäta again. Is there more information on the net, preferred but not needed in German?
Not really. Germanic refers to an ethno-linguistic group that extends far beyond the German-speaking parts of Europe. I mean the Austro-Bavarian German-speaking Alpine culture that extends across Bavaria, Austria, large parts of Switzerland, and South Tyrol in Italy. These regions share a lot of traditions, architecture, cuisine etc. that isn't found in the rest of Germany. Goes to show how arbitrary our modern borders are. They're a completely different people from, say, Frisians in northern...
This Austrian culture is not of germanic origin. It is pre Christian and pre Roman. So it is NOT germanic at all. It has nothing to do with the Germanic language family or Germanic cultural roots. Same culture exists in northern Italy and todays Slovenia. Also in the Rhaeto-Romance, Ladin and Friuli culture. It dates back to the times before any germanic people reached that area. That's the point here. I agree on the diversity of "German people" though. Right, but it's not the point here.
Getting quite difficult there. Going back that far in time things become a bit more complicated. Most importantly, after the fall of Rome the regions that make up modern Austria were in fact settled by christianised Germanic tribes (Baiuvarii, Alemanni, Lombards). In the time afer almost all regions of modern Austria changed their owners constantly. And even the two city states that remained mostly the same and somewhat independent throughout history (Vienna and Salzburg) were not always allied
Germany, who have culturally far more in common with other Frisians in the northern Netherlands and southern Denmark. All larger European countries are a cultural patchwork with dialects that weren't mutually understandable a few hundred years ago (and still aren't in some cases. When someone speaks Bairisch I understand 20% at best).
Absolutely. Most German speakers on this site, including Austrians, will have a very hard time understanding any of the people in this video. The dialect spoken in the Alps has Alemannic influences, which isn't present anywhere else in Austria (but is in Switzerland)
UnlimitedTrickPony
"medieval" ... my sweet summer child ... what we celebrate here is much older than the Middle Ages
TexMexHex
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MHE0eHphcW54bjduemMzc2Z4OXFoeGljeGYxaHBmejdsd3hlOWhldiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/hkDsXOnh4zaOQ12CxL/200w.webp
davebarton315101
Looks like incredible fun.
bob2the2nd24
TOO SOON dec 5th and 6th ..
MaverickTitan
IT’S SO FLUFFY!!!
GGGenom
Cool video, but what's up with the two sock puppet accounts in the comment section shilling the same shitty mask?
swedeonamoose
Pretty much what the julegoat looked like to a very young me.
karlfrack
They don't look threatening....
tavisno
Well at least theyre warm so you dont have to bring them inside
tinydog
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YXBpNG11aGdzaW4ycG5jNzFoODFuNjdkb3RwOGY3YmM2dThscWljaCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/DTLzZIeBh33S8/200w.webp
LeekofLegend
Where did the u.s. go so wrong?
counterintel
If you leave a rabbit's foot under your pillow, the Krampus will leave you Arby's steak nuggets.
MahadmaGaudi
ViolentlyJaded
I went to college in Austria. I miss it. I don't miss the government though
cre8majic
story time?
vladrichdemaclant
All Austrian Governments suck. No matter what party.
SedatedSl0th
Would you rather fight one Krampus sized gorilla or 50 gorilla sized Krampuses? Is it Krampi?
Feralkyn
Iirc these aren't Krampus, and this vid's a couple years old but these are usually parades to chase off the spirits of winter (historically ofc). These are usually called Perchten which are a different lore from Krampus. Some of it overlaps though https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percht
Otomasoteraph
Like the dia de los muertos but with horns?
fuehrSleepVoter
I like it. A lot.
sevro77
IgnatiusTheSaint
Ah yes, the annual People Against Goodness and Normalcy meeting.
MagnumRadhard
Note to self: Watch DRAGNET
Buffoonery
"Don't forget your 'goat-leggins'."
Perkunas687
On a family vacation as a young boy, my bed was in the 'living room' of where we were staying, with the only TV. So I was up late, until I fell asleep, watching TV after my parents and sister went to bed. This movie was on, and all I could remember the next day was the goat leggings, I was also doing the dance. My parents looked at me like I was crazy. Two decades later, I happened to be watching Dragnet and did the Leo Dicaprio point meme. Vindication! I wasn't crazy!
(Or *was* I . . . )
thricebakedxyz
Goat leggings - I remember.
Djkb6718
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1c2JlejZzN3kweml1ajY5ZnRyMzdkNG5lcWRxOXZrNHd1MnNueTVyNiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/BOMBumnGk0l7W/200w.webp
jinbro2711
Where do we purchase a costume like those
SwissScars
Funny people around here - they celebrate Christmas on the 24th, so none of them get any presents as Santa doesn't do early deliveries. Silly Sausages think it's because they're the Wurst, hence Krampus.
GuyPilot
Most of Europe celebrates Christmas on the 24th, presents in the evening, etc. (Encourages the kids to sleep in on the 25th. 10/10 would recommend
BorkBorkasson
Seems odd. We celebrate on the 24th here in Norway too, but traditionally, Santa actually comes to the door with a sack of gifts and stays for a while to hand out to the children before leaving again.
FoxySpirit
Silly Americans. Of course Santa comes on the 7th here. On Christmas the Spirit of Christmas(an Angel we call "Christkind") descends and brings even better gifts than Santa. Also, unlike Santa it's non-judgemental, it will not look into it's biog book, standing in front of you, reading to you what you did over the year. To then pass judgement if you are worthy of gift or coal.
Yeah, Santa was always a bit like the Elf on the shelf, but worse.
MeeseOnABeam
krampus bought a bunch of surface-to-air missiles after the collapse of the soviet union, santa can't afford to take that risk
BigBidiza
Who needs Santa, when you can get your presents from the "Christkind" anyways? 😅
Macetheace50
Back in the day, Zwarte Piet would accompany Saint Nicholas into your village.
The whole village would show-up.
Zwarte Piet would single out the Bully child, assault them.
They got sacked (Shang Highed) and were carried-off to Spain.
Macetheace50
** Can't Edit these posts**
Saint Nicholas would be given the Good & Naughty list from the villagers.
Zwarte Piet would single out the Bully child, assault them.
They got sacked (Shang Highed) and were carried-off to Spain.
Macetheace50
At the edge of town the child would be let go.
Exdeath5000
In all that fur I would be more than a little nervous carrying that torch
Yuri909
It's the EU. It's probably artificial and heavily fire retardant.
trigaranus
It's a traditional Austrian activity, so it's not in any functional way regulated. And it happens every now and then that someone's furs do catch fire. Apparently, natural furs are much less dangerous around fire than faux furs (i.e. they burn much less readily), but I basically read about someone's costume catching fire every year. (Source: Swiss, with family in Austria.)
theBonyEaredAssfish
See: the Bal des Ardents (1393).
doctorbocker
A lot of traditional Christmas celebrations are fire hazards.
Sheepislander
Wool is not that flammable.
DarkUranium
Not with that attitude.
SuitablyIronicMoniker
My first thought. Second thought was that the whole parade looks cool.t
Unclescam
Looked quite warm to me...all that fur.
SuitablyIronicMoniker
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
Most of these clips show the traditional Alpine-German Perchtenlauf, although this tradition is increasingly conflated with the Krampus figure. In some locations it's already called Krampuslauf or Krampusumzug. Either way, there is nothing "demonic" about it. Perchten (singular Percht) are nature spirits, and the purpose of this noisy parade is to drive out evil spirits. Christians gave their devil figure horns and hooves at some point specifically to demonize deities like Pan or Cernunnos and …
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Isn't it also a fertility rite? At least the part where they're hitting the young women with their rods? As far as I know they don't hit all passersby but aimed for the young ladies and those tended to tease the ones carying the rods to hit them.
dreikommavierzehn
Not so much, the only fertility rite about it is that in those customes it's often teenagers. And teenagers do what they always do obviously.
Other than that Broccoli already mentioned how Perchten and Krampus are being convoluted over time, and Krampus (or his helpers) traditionally hit the bad children. I say 'traditionally' but not in a long lasting historical sense, more like what we and our parents experienced as kids respectively
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
other horned mythological figures. It gave them a pretext for killing priests and druids, cutting down sacred trees, destroying sites of Pagan worship and banning traditions such as this one which survived despite all pearl-clutching and persecution. And they're still at it. Everything that bothers their irrational sensitivies – D&D, heavy metal etc. – is labeled demonic or satanic. Just as ridiculous as the conservative-christian idea that everything except the extreme pol. right is communism.
becks0815
Oh boy, I copied this text as reference, in case of my Christian friends starts a rant about Krampus or Tschäggäta again. Is there more information on the net, preferred but not needed in German?
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
Of course. This touches on the demonization of deities like Pan: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(Mythologie)#Pans_D%C3%A4monisierung_im_Christentum General info about the Perchtenlauf traditions: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percht#Perchtenlaufen_in_der_Gegenwart And this link mentions a church-imposed ban in the 17th/18th Century: https://www.hohlgasspass.ch/brauchtum
vladrichdemaclant
Not German nore Germanic though.
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
Not really. Germanic refers to an ethno-linguistic group that extends far beyond the German-speaking parts of Europe. I mean the Austro-Bavarian German-speaking Alpine culture that extends across Bavaria, Austria, large parts of Switzerland, and South Tyrol in Italy. These regions share a lot of traditions, architecture, cuisine etc. that isn't found in the rest of Germany. Goes to show how arbitrary our modern borders are. They're a completely different people from, say, Frisians in northern...
vladrichdemaclant
This Austrian culture is not of germanic origin. It is pre Christian and pre Roman. So it is NOT germanic at all. It has nothing to do with the Germanic language family or Germanic cultural roots. Same culture exists in northern Italy and todays Slovenia. Also in the Rhaeto-Romance, Ladin and Friuli culture. It dates back to the times before any germanic people reached that area. That's the point here. I agree on the diversity of "German people" though. Right, but it's not the point here.
dreikommavierzehn
Getting quite difficult there. Going back that far in time things become a bit more complicated. Most importantly, after the fall of Rome the regions that make up modern Austria were in fact settled by christianised Germanic tribes (Baiuvarii, Alemanni, Lombards).
In the time afer almost all regions of modern Austria changed their owners constantly. And even the two city states that remained mostly the same and somewhat independent throughout history (Vienna and Salzburg) were not always allied
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
Germany, who have culturally far more in common with other Frisians in the northern Netherlands and southern Denmark. All larger European countries are a cultural patchwork with dialects that weren't mutually understandable a few hundred years ago (and still aren't in some cases. When someone speaks Bairisch I understand 20% at best).
dreikommavierzehn
Absolutely. Most German speakers on this site, including Austrians, will have a very hard time understanding any of the people in this video. The dialect spoken in the Alps has Alemannic influences, which isn't present anywhere else in Austria (but is in Switzerland)